(09-10-2014 12:09 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 11:40 AM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 10:33 AM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  Honestly if we keep winning this year, I'm concerned we will be losing Carey as our coach. I think from a coaching aspect we'll be fine, I'm just hoping he doesn't take all his coaches and our verballed recruiting class with him. They are supposed to be good.

I may be wrong though as the bigger schools haven't seen Carey coach "his recruits" yet, he did sort of come out of nowhere, and had limited coaching experience at a small school before coming here. He doesn't have major connections in the coaching world yet, and our previous coach Doeren hasn't exactly lit the world on fire at NC State.

i heard our coaches think this incomming class of freshman may the best class yet. When I see Albert Smalls starting at CB and making plays, I tend to agree.

Believe it or not next years class is supposed to be even better, which would worry me if Carey ends up leaving. I really can't see us getting Tuke here at this point. He just doesn't have the recruiting connections particularly to Florida/Texas that our current staff has. That's why I would actually vote to take someone off the current staff.

I think Cole would be next man up if he doesn't go with Carey.

(09-10-2014 11:38 AM)7 Wrote:  He brought in the spread and zone read, but NIU was in no way up tempo under Kill. They played ball control, conservative offense. The fact they scored as much as they did tells you how ungodly efficent/dominate that 2010 offense was, though. Especially when you consider than includes the infamous Grady Bowl in the opener.

Kill at least paid lip service to increasing the number of plays per game and getting them off quickly. The only real difference in the offenses between 2010 and 2011 is the no-huddle that Doeren/Canada installed. Of course, that difference is huge.

(09-10-2014 12:13 PM)shack66 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:09 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 11:40 AM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 10:33 AM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  Honestly if we keep winning this year, I'm concerned we will be losing Carey as our coach. I think from a coaching aspect we'll be fine, I'm just hoping he doesn't take all his coaches and our verballed recruiting class with him. They are supposed to be good.

I may be wrong though as the bigger schools haven't seen Carey coach "his recruits" yet, he did sort of come out of nowhere, and had limited coaching experience at a small school before coming here. He doesn't have major connections in the coaching world yet, and our previous coach Doeren hasn't exactly lit the world on fire at NC State.

i heard our coaches think this incomming class of freshman may the best class yet. When I see Albert Smalls starting at CB and making plays, I tend to agree.

Believe it or not next years class is supposed to be even better, which would worry me if Carey ends up leaving. I really can't see us getting Tuke here at this point. He just doesn't have the recruiting connections particularly to Florida/Texas that our current staff has. That's why I would actually vote to take someone off the current staff.

I think Cole would be next man up if he doesn't go with Carey.

Success breeds success, and today's Huskies keep building on the milestones previous teams have reached. It seems that past Huskie teams would try to find some jewel passed over by the bigger schools (like a LeShon Johnson or a Tim Tyrell) and design the team around him.

I remember a game vs Ole Miss where LeShon got injured in the 1st quarter, and that was it. Game over. Last year, the Huskies lost their starting RB, then two of their new replacement RBs and still won the division.

Today's Huskies are versatile and solid.

#BobCole

(09-10-2014 12:20 PM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 11:38 AM)7 Wrote:  He brought in the spread and zone read, but NIU was in no way up tempo under Kill. They played ball control, conservative offense. The fact they scored as much as they did tells you how ungodly efficent/dominate that 2010 offense was, though. Especially when you consider than includes the infamous Grady Bowl in the opener.

Kill at least paid lip service to increasing the number of plays per game and getting them off quickly. The only real difference in the offenses between 2010 and 2011 is the no-huddle that Doeren/Canada installed. Of course, that difference is huge.

That's not true. NIU was way more spread out with Doeren, completely different formations. Also, NIU was under center plenty under Kill, and pretty much never have been since Doeren arrived.

910 plays run in 2010, 1003 run in 2011. So they ran almost 7 more plays per game in 2011. That's a pretty big jump.

all of the above and the biggest one: conditioning.

like most mid-major teams we never had depth. we were gassed mid-3rd quarter and injuries plagued our Novembers. once we beat that hurdle, we started winning over the big boys and handling the MAC with ease.

(09-10-2014 12:45 PM)7 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:20 PM)sarasotahuskie Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 11:38 AM)7 Wrote:  He brought in the spread and zone read, but NIU was in no way up tempo under Kill. They played ball control, conservative offense. The fact they scored as much as they did tells you how ungodly efficent/dominate that 2010 offense was, though. Especially when you consider than includes the infamous Grady Bowl in the opener.

Kill at least paid lip service to increasing the number of plays per game and getting them off quickly. The only real difference in the offenses between 2010 and 2011 is the no-huddle that Doeren/Canada installed. Of course, that difference is huge.

That's not true. NIU was way more spread out with Doeren, completely different formations. Also, NIU was under center plenty under Kill, and pretty much never have been since Doeren arrived.

910 plays run in 2010, 1003 run in 2011. So they ran almost 7 more plays per game in 2011. That's a pretty big jump.

I'm not sure that the number of plays run tells the whole story. The no huddle would make that difference, and the 2010 O didn't take too many plays to score. Remember, we used to half jokingly worry that they didn't give the D enough of a rest.

Quote:Harnish also said he’ll have to prove he can make plays from under center after operating almost exclusively as a shotgun quarterback at NIU. But he knows he can do it.

http://voices.suntimes.com/sports/inside...-to-prove/

Anyway, my point was Kill started the changes in the offense and it continued to evolve under Doeren and Carey. But give Kill his due.

Absolutely. Kill's offense was a nice medium between Novak and Doeren. I imagine going from pure pro style, one back offense to Doeren ball would have taken awhile to adjust to. Instead they pretty much hit the ground running vs. Army and Kansas.

(09-10-2014 12:30 PM)Turner4Heisman Wrote:  #BobCole

it's way more then Bob Cole. He is a part of it.

I really doubt Cole is the next guy, and I love Cole as much as anyone.

(09-10-2014 12:13 PM)shack66 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:09 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 11:40 AM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 10:33 AM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  Honestly if we keep winning this year, I'm concerned we will be losing Carey as our coach. I think from a coaching aspect we'll be fine, I'm just hoping he doesn't take all his coaches and our verballed recruiting class with him. They are supposed to be good.

I may be wrong though as the bigger schools haven't seen Carey coach "his recruits" yet, he did sort of come out of nowhere, and had limited coaching experience at a small school before coming here. He doesn't have major connections in the coaching world yet, and our previous coach Doeren hasn't exactly lit the world on fire at NC State.

i heard our coaches think this incomming class of freshman may the best class yet. When I see Albert Smalls starting at CB and making plays, I tend to agree.

Believe it or not next years class is supposed to be even better, which would worry me if Carey ends up leaving. I really can't see us getting Tuke here at this point. He just doesn't have the recruiting connections particularly to Florida/Texas that our current staff has. That's why I would actually vote to take someone off the current staff.

I think Cole would be next man up if he doesn't go with Carey.

the next coach of niu will be who SF thinks is the best fit. when will everyone understand that. But more importantly, enjoy the moment.

(09-10-2014 12:09 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 11:40 AM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 10:33 AM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  Honestly if we keep winning this year, I'm concerned we will be losing Carey as our coach. I think from a coaching aspect we'll be fine, I'm just hoping he doesn't take all his coaches and our verballed recruiting class with him. They are supposed to be good.

I may be wrong though as the bigger schools haven't seen Carey coach "his recruits" yet, he did sort of come out of nowhere, and had limited coaching experience at a small school before coming here. He doesn't have major connections in the coaching world yet, and our previous coach Doeren hasn't exactly lit the world on fire at NC State.

i heard our coaches think this incomming class of freshman may the best class yet. When I see Albert Smalls starting at CB and making plays, I tend to agree.

Believe it or not next years class is supposed to be even better, which would worry me if Carey ends up leaving. I really can't see us getting Tuke here at this point. He just doesn't have the recruiting connections particularly to Florida/Texas that our current staff has. That's why I would actually vote to take someone off the current staff.

why would you want to that. Carey's elevation was unique to the circumstances at that time. Everyone wanted PJ or Thomas Hammock now tuke. NU hired its favorite son, how's that working out

One success factor that has not been mentioned is our strength and conditioning program.

I think that Jerry Kill upgraded this BIG TIME and it has stayed at a high level since his departure. Of course having excellent facilities helps with that as well and that started at the end of the Novak era.

Because dreams come true?

(09-10-2014 01:09 PM)bikechuck Wrote:  One success factor that has not been mentioned is our strength and conditioning program.

I think that Jerry Kill upgraded this BIG TIME and it has stayed at a high level since his departure. Of course having excellent facilities helps with that as well and that started at the end of the Novak era.

i mentioned it, but i think enough pacts with the devil were made that NIU's success is secured until the rapture.

Love this topic. For those book nerds out there I actually emailed Malcolm Gladwell's telling him he should do an article on NIU football. His book tipping point comes to mind...where he explains why things "Tip" and become huge successes. Tipping Point, Outliers, Blink, David and Goliath...all fascinating reads laced with a lot of sports analogies.

I think you guys have covered it all and I agree that it really is just a perfect storm of a lot of things, at the top of the list for me...

-Groth and Novak having a vision and patience. Laid the foundation
-great coaching hires...so vital for a stepping stone school like us
-Harnish and Lynch. The Mac simply is Won by the the best qb's...Ben, frye, Harris, lefevour, Harnish, lynch...hard to find exceptions.
-recruiting philosophy has been consistent...screw the ratings find the diamonds in the rough (Novak) kill then tweaked that to find beef Here and athletes down south and as we've gotten more successful we land more and more quality but with the same simple principles.
-donor success...Realtes to last one. Yordon, Barsema & Chessick

They all fed off each other. The interesting thing to me is all it could take to derail the thing is one bad coaching hire or 1 or 2 complete misfires in recruiting...think about the 2003 recruiting class, was a complete disaster and look at our only hitch, 4 years later in 2007.

(09-10-2014 12:13 PM)shack66 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 12:09 PM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 11:40 AM)GCD70 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 10:33 AM)RitzHuskie Wrote:  Honestly if we keep winning this year, I'm concerned we will be losing Carey as our coach. I think from a coaching aspect we'll be fine, I'm just hoping he doesn't take all his coaches and our verballed recruiting class with him. They are supposed to be good.

I may be wrong though as the bigger schools haven't seen Carey coach "his recruits" yet, he did sort of come out of nowhere, and had limited coaching experience at a small school before coming here. He doesn't have major connections in the coaching world yet, and our previous coach Doeren hasn't exactly lit the world on fire at NC State.

i heard our coaches think this incomming class of freshman may the best class yet. When I see Albert Smalls starting at CB and making plays, I tend to agree.

Believe it or not next years class is supposed to be even better, which would worry me if Carey ends up leaving. I really can't see us getting Tuke here at this point. He just doesn't have the recruiting connections particularly to Florida/Texas that our current staff has. That's why I would actually vote to take someone off the current staff.

I think Cole would be next man up if he doesn't go with Carey.

Oh God I would love to hear every interview of his.

(09-10-2014 09:51 AM)3OrangeWhips Wrote:  A secondary and supporting element of NIU Football success is academic performance. NIU ranks very high with player GPA and graduation rates. Players need to be academically eligible to contribute on the football field. NIU runs a tight ship in this regard. It is one less thing for the coaching staff to worry about.

Couldn't agree more!

(09-10-2014 08:55 AM)7 Wrote:  Just to piggyback of Barsema a little bit:

Harnish and Lynch had a lot to do with it. I think the first half of the Northwestern game last week was really the first time it hit me just how special Harnish (and especially) Lynch were. NIU probably beats NU by 4 TDs if Lynch was still there this year. They're a huge reason why.

I think the 2nd biggest reason was the hiring of Doeren and the offense he brought in. If Kill was still the head coach, NIU would still have had really good teams, but I think they would have dropped a couple games here and there just because of how conservative that offense was. The Doeren offense has taken the program to the next level, IMO. The reason I'm not as hard on Jiff as many others seem to be is because he hired Doeren which was a great hire, but I think hiring Carey was a really smart move as well. I really would like to see them hire from within to try to keep the systems the same if Carey leaves, but I'm not sure there's a clear replacement right now. I thought Neimann would leave, Kane would be promoted to DC, and then he would be the guy, but that hasn't happened. Cole isn't going to be a HC, and I really don't know much about Neimann.

Kill, Doeren, and Carey have all done a really nice job of identifying talent to fit the systems and developing said talent. All the guys in the program for a better part of like 6-7 years now seem to be high character, hard workers.

It made me realize how much we miss Lynch and Harnish but it was weird at same time the game reminded me how far the program has come in just 4 years. To have the contributions and impact young players had especially on defense, vs a Big 10 team is really a testament to the recruiting upgrade NIU has undergone. I really think Smalls is going to be the next big thing for the Huskies. NIU should have scored more, no doubt, but one thing I'll give NU, that team has some pretty good defensive team speed