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(09-10-2014 11:59 AM)Dukie95 Wrote:  
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(09-10-2014 09:44 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  (BTW, if you hit the X and your browser isn't a pile of derp it shouldn't show up again.)

It shows up literally every refresh & I use google chrome.

How about now?

Yes. that fixed it for me...and you probably thought IE 11 was a pile of derp, didn't you?

(09-10-2014 12:01 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  Yeah that ad has been gone for the past couple of hours I believe.


Seems to have been a problem with the EFF's code. I switched to to the coalition website's code and it works as expected.
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(09-10-2014 12:02 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  Seems to have been a problem with the EFF's code. I switched to to the coalition website's code and it works as expected.

Oh heck, I thought you were running the ad on purpose... I must have misread. Anyways, glad it's gone. Now john01992 can move on with his day.
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(09-10-2014 11:55 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 11:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 11:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  The reason I said "NO" to DISH satellite internet, gAyT&T internet, Hughes, and every other service besides Verizon fiber and Suddenlink Cable is because they wanted to charge me after 10 gigabytes. Psh, hell no. It's unlimited through Verizon fiber and Suddenlink.

In the case of FiOS ... that probably won't last: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Veriz...iOS-127973

Suddenlink has explicit caps. You can be forced to pay more or be disconnected: http://www.suddenlink.com/allowanceplan/

They offer the highest speed at my house which is outside of the city limits of a small county town that has a pop of 800... It'd suck if they asked me to pay more. Currently I pay $60 per month for 15 Mbps.

Your cap is 250 GB. Netflix HD is about 1.5 GB per half hour. You have about 83 1/3 hours of Netflix viewing a month before you can be charged more or disconnected. That works out to about 2.77 hours of Netflix a day. If that sounds like a lot ... just imagine if your ISP has ESPN3 and you watch ESPN Goal Line in HD all day Saturday to watch all the glorious college football. You'd use about 1/6 of your entire monthly cap in one 12 hour shot. Do you do video editing or professional photography and have to upload and backup your work? HAHAHHA you're screwed.

Another way to look at it is you are paying for 15 Mbit. You can only use the full 15 Mbit for 1.5 DAYS before you've blown through your cap for the month.
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(09-10-2014 12:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 11:55 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 11:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 11:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  The reason I said "NO" to DISH satellite internet, gAyT&T internet, Hughes, and every other service besides Verizon fiber and Suddenlink Cable is because they wanted to charge me after 10 gigabytes. Psh, hell no. It's unlimited through Verizon fiber and Suddenlink.

In the case of FiOS ... that probably won't last: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Veriz...iOS-127973

Suddenlink has explicit caps. You can be forced to pay more or be disconnected: http://www.suddenlink.com/allowanceplan/

They offer the highest speed at my house which is outside of the city limits of a small county town that has a pop of 800... It'd suck if they asked me to pay more. Currently I pay $60 per month for 15 Mbps.

Your cap is 250 GB. Netflix HD is about 1.5 GB per half hour. You have about 83 1/3 hours of Netflix viewing a month before you can be charged more or disconnected. That works out to about 2.77 hours of Netflix a day. If that sounds like a lot ... just imagine if your ISP has ESPN3 and you watch ESPN Goal Line in HD all day Saturday to watch all the glorious college football. You'd use about 1/6 of your entire monthly cap in one 12 hour shot. Do you do video editing or professional photography and have to upload and backup your work? HAHAHHA you're screwed.

Another way to look at it is you are paying for 15 Mbit. You can only use the full 15 Mbit for 1.5 DAYS before you've blown through your cap for the month.

They have a cap? My kids watch Netflix, or have it playing, all day every other Fri, Sat, and Sun with cartoons that will run on to the next episode if you don't stop it. I do a fair amount of online gaming (PS3) between 9:30 and midnight, give or take an hour unless I'm feeling froggy and have been on longer... My GF's PC is in the spare room and she constantly has Pandora playing all day and night and I have 4 devices that are using the WiFi and I've never gotten a warning or anything about the usage reaching the cap. My satellite has HD and unless I'm DVR'ing a show, I watch every channel in HD. The receiver is hooked up to the internet but I don't know if that has anything to do with the HD you mentioned. Oh, and I have a WiiU that also uses WiFi but not as much as the other things I just mentioned.
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(09-10-2014 12:17 PM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 12:09 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 11:55 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 11:47 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 11:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  The reason I said "NO" to DISH satellite internet, gAyT&T internet, Hughes, and every other service besides Verizon fiber and Suddenlink Cable is because they wanted to charge me after 10 gigabytes. Psh, hell no. It's unlimited through Verizon fiber and Suddenlink.

In the case of FiOS ... that probably won't last: http://www.dslreports.com/shownews/Veriz...iOS-127973

Suddenlink has explicit caps. You can be forced to pay more or be disconnected: http://www.suddenlink.com/allowanceplan/

They offer the highest speed at my house which is outside of the city limits of a small county town that has a pop of 800... It'd suck if they asked me to pay more. Currently I pay $60 per month for 15 Mbps.

Your cap is 250 GB. Netflix HD is about 1.5 GB per half hour. You have about 83 1/3 hours of Netflix viewing a month before you can be charged more or disconnected. That works out to about 2.77 hours of Netflix a day. If that sounds like a lot ... just imagine if your ISP has ESPN3 and you watch ESPN Goal Line in HD all day Saturday to watch all the glorious college football. You'd use about 1/6 of your entire monthly cap in one 12 hour shot. Do you do video editing or professional photography and have to upload and backup your work? HAHAHHA you're screwed.

Another way to look at it is you are paying for 15 Mbit. You can only use the full 15 Mbit for 1.5 DAYS before you've blown through your cap for the month.

They have a cap? My kids watch Netflix, or have it playing, all day every other Fri, Sat, and Sun with cartoons that will run on to the next episode if you don't stop it. I do a fair amount of online gaming (PS3) between 9:30 and midnight, give or take an hour unless I'm feeling froggy and have been on longer... My GF's PC is in the spare room and she constantly has Pandora playing all day and night and I have 4 devices that are using the WiFi and I've never gotten a warning or anything about the usage reaching the cap. My satellite has HD and unless I'm DVR'ing a show, I watch every channel in HD. The receiver is hooked up to the internet but I don't know if that has anything to do with the HD you mentioned. Oh, and I have a WiiU that also uses WiFi but not as much as the other things I just mentioned.

They don't always enforce the caps right now.

I'm just glad my city is on the shortlist for Google Fiber and will almost certainly get selected from what I've heard. I won't have to deal with caps or throttled speeds with Google Fiber.

The broadband companies are also lobbying to prevent towns from creating their own broadband services. A few cities / towns have launched their own super fast high speed fiber networks and the cable companies want to put a stop to it because they're exposing how full of **** they are about the cost to deliver those services.
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(09-10-2014 11:59 AM)Dukie95 Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 09:56 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 09:50 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 09:44 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  (BTW, if you hit the X and your browser isn't a pile of derp it shouldn't show up again.)

It shows up literally every refresh & I use google chrome.

How about now?

Yes. that fixed it for me...and you probably thought IE 11 was a pile of derp, didn't you?


Thanks GTS that fixed it for me. Much appreciated.
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(09-10-2014 08:37 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:30 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:25 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:21 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So the Internet is going to be slower today?

What we really need is a power grid blackout to see who could survive and who couldn't...

LOL That would suck

And he just proved my point! 03-lmfao

So let me ask you something. Would you ever eat lunch with a table full of social conservatives?

WTF is wrong with you? Damn...
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(09-10-2014 12:53 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:37 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:30 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:25 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  What we really need is a power grid blackout to see who could survive and who couldn't...

LOL That would suck

And he just proved my point! 03-lmfao

So let me ask you something. Would you ever eat lunch with a table full of social conservatives?

WTF is wrong with you? Damn...

What are your thoughts on net neutrality?
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(09-10-2014 12:25 PM)Niner National Wrote:  They don't always enforce the caps right now.

I'm just glad my city is on the shortlist for Google Fiber and will almost certainly get selected from what I've heard. I won't have to deal with caps or throttled speeds with Google Fiber.

The broadband companies are also lobbying to prevent towns from creating their own broadband services. A few cities / towns have launched their own super fast high speed fiber networks and the cable companies want to put a stop to it because they're exposing how full of **** they are about the cost to deliver those services.

Correct. I am on Charter, and they do have a cap they don't heavily enforce ("soft cap" as many people call it). That said I do know someone who was told by Charter he had one week to reduce his usage or he'd be banned from the service.
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(09-10-2014 12:53 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:37 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:30 AM)BucFyre Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:26 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(09-10-2014 08:25 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  What we really need is a power grid blackout to see who could survive and who couldn't...

LOL That would suck

And he just proved my point! 03-lmfao

So let me ask you something. Would you ever eat lunch with a table full of social conservatives?

WTF is wrong with you? Damn...

This is SOOOOO four and a half hours ago.
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So someone GTS, Niner, Dixie, whoever, that has a grasp on this spell it out for your not well versed layman.

I understand the arguments on either side, BUT a name like "net neutrality" is no doubt another innocuous name for something borderline evil.

Who supports what side? If it is Comcast (I'll be predisposed to not be in favor of it then. ha) in favor of the net neutrality, what is it that they are in favor of? The tiered pricing? Does that get them more money? They can charge higher access fees? Higher prices for a bigger pipe depending on your usage needs or history?

Not sure if I'm in favor of something like this or not if I don't know who is on what side and what they are looking for.

Thanks, I'll take the answer off the air...
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(09-10-2014 02:17 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So someone GTS, Niner, Dixie, whoever, that has a grasp on this spell it out for your not well versed layman.

I understand the arguments on either side, BUT a name like "net neutrality" is no doubt another innocuous name for something borderline evil.

Who supports what side? If it is Comcast (I'll be predisposed to not be in favor of it then. ha) in favor of the net neutrality, what is it that they are in favor of? The tiered pricing? Does that get them more money? They can charge higher access fees? Higher prices for a bigger pipe depending on your usage needs or history?

Not sure if I'm in favor of something like this or not if I don't know who is on what side and what they are looking for.

Thanks, I'll take the answer off the air...




https://www.eff.org/issues/net-neutrality
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(09-10-2014 02:17 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  So someone GTS, Niner, Dixie, whoever, that has a grasp on this spell it out for your not well versed layman.

I understand the arguments on either side, BUT a name like "net neutrality" is no doubt another innocuous name for something borderline evil.

Who supports what side? If it is Comcast (I'll be predisposed to not be in favor of it then. ha) in favor of the net neutrality, what is it that they are in favor of? The tiered pricing? Does that get them more money? They can charge higher access fees? Higher prices for a bigger pipe depending on your usage needs or history?

Not sure if I'm in favor of something like this or not if I don't know who is on what side and what they are looking for.

Thanks, I'll take the answer off the air...

Websites tend to be in favor of net neutrality. ISP's (Comcast, Time Warner, Verizon, etc) oppose it.

Net Neutrality basically means that ISPs must be neutral to the content that is being transmitted on the web. A megabyte from CSNBBS.com is equal to a megabyte from Netflix.com is equal to a megabyte from comcast.com.

The ISPs basically want the ability to say "your site uses a lot of bandwidth, so you either need to pay us for equal speeds (or your users need to) or we'll slow their internet speeds down to make using your site less enjoyable."

Basically, as people are dumping cable and getting more of their information from the web, the ISPs don't want to lose money, so they'll try to turn the web into a tiered solution like cable.

It will allow them to deem certain websites as "premium" sites if they want to. Sites like Facebook, YouTube, and Netflix are some of the largest consumers of bandwidth in the United States. Cable companies could essentially start selling premium tiers of internet that gives you full bandwidth for "premium" websites...or they could make those websites pay for equal speeds (which consumers will ultimately pay for in some way).

The biggest problem with it is that it stifles innovation. How many millions of jobs and hundreds of billions of dollars have been created because of the internet? A system that was built on the back of taxpayer funded research and development and has always been free and equal for everyone.

ISPs basically hold monopolies which essentially allow them to "own" the internet and there is no legitimate option for competition. They have pushed regulations that have allowed them to have monopolies in many markets (because competition would make their business model unprofitable). Regulating themselves into being the only provider or one of only 2 or 3 providers (that all want the same thing) wasn't enough. Guaranteeing themselves billions in revenue by keeping competition out didn't satisfy them, now they want you (or website owners) to pay more to get the speeds they promise you when you sign up for service on EVERY website. If you don't, they can pick and choose and say "you can visit this site and get your full allotment of bandwidth speed" or "if you want to access this website at the speeds you're paying us for, you need to pay us more."


If they want to implement and enforce caps, fine, but all the data being transferred on their network should be treated the same. A megabyte is a megabyte. Whether that megabyte is in the form of a church newsletter or a high definition porn video shouldn't matter.

Allowing them to treat data from different websites differently is a horrible policy because that doesn't replace caps. A lot of people say "pay for what you use."

That's not what net neutrality is. Those people have a fundamental misunderstanding of net neutrality. If they do away with net neutrality, they'll have the freedom to charge you more for what they deem as premium level sites (just as HBO & Showtime are premium channels) and they can still (and will) put data caps in place. Caps and neutrality are not the same thing and they are not mutually exclusive.
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The campaign was a huge success. More than 2 million emails sent to congressmen. 300,000 phone calls. And now over 4 million comments to the FCC.

https://www.battleforthenet.com/sept10th/#infographic
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This is in the net neutrality bill

Quote:...when the Commission shall be of opinion that any charge, classification, regulation, or practice of any carrier or carriers is or will be in violation of any of the provisions of this chapter, the Commission is authorized and empowered to determine and prescribe what will be the just and reasonable charge...

In other words, the FCC will decide what is a "fair price."

Is this what you want? What is going to stifle innovation more, charging for band width used (market solution) or the government setting prices (regulatory bureaucracy)?
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(09-15-2014 11:18 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  This is in the net neutrality bill

Quote:...when the Commission shall be of opinion that any charge, classification, regulation, or practice of any carrier or carriers is or will be in violation of any of the provisions of this chapter, the Commission is authorized and empowered to determine and prescribe what will be the just and reasonable charge...

In other words, the FCC will decide what is a "fair price."

Is this what you want? What is going to stifle innovation more, charging for band width used (market solution) or the government setting prices (regulatory bureaucracy)?

Comparisons to free markets are not valid here ... because in nearly all of the country broadband isn't a free market competition.
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(09-15-2014 03:21 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  
(09-15-2014 11:18 AM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  This is in the net neutrality bill

Quote:...when the Commission shall be of opinion that any charge, classification, regulation, or practice of any carrier or carriers is or will be in violation of any of the provisions of this chapter, the Commission is authorized and empowered to determine and prescribe what will be the just and reasonable charge...

In other words, the FCC will decide what is a "fair price."

Is this what you want? What is going to stifle innovation more, charging for band width used (market solution) or the government setting prices (regulatory bureaucracy)?

Comparisons to free markets are not valid here ... because in nearly all of the country broadband isn't a free market competition.

I'll guarantee that if the government takes over, they'll turn it into a regulated monopoly and there will never be a free market.

But to your point, you don't understand the concept of a free market. A free market doesn't mean that the consumer has unlimited or even multiple choices. In the case of internet services, the build-out barrier to entry prohibits multiple suppliers from entering a market when there would not be sufficient customers available to support the delivery network. If the parts of the country with only one or two ISPs had 5 or 6, and the services were priced appropriately, then all would be charging more. As one ISP lowered their rates to capture more customers, the others would abandon the local market.
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(09-15-2014 04:22 PM)QuestionSocratic Wrote:  I'll guarantee that if the government takes over, they'll turn it into a regulated monopoly and there will never be a free market.

But to your point, you don't understand the concept of a free market. A free market doesn't mean that the consumer has unlimited or even multiple choices. In the case of internet services, the build-out barrier to entry prohibits multiple suppliers from entering a market when there would not be sufficient customers available to support the delivery network. If the parts of the country with only one or two ISPs had 5 or 6, and the services were priced appropriately, then all would be charging more. As one ISP lowered their rates to capture more customers, the others would abandon the local market.

It is already a corporate capitalist monopoly. The head of regulating the internet for the FCC is a former cable company lobbyist FFS.

It is time for internet to be regulated like the utility it has become. I would add beyond traditional utility regulation line share requirements. The one non-sh*t ISP this country has had before Google got so fed up they started their own ISP is Sonic.NET ... and they only exist because we briefly had line share requirements.
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