wants to do nothing about ISIS.

(09-09-2014 07:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  wants to do nothing about ISIS.

I like Ron Paul, and I could see myself voting for him.

ISIS is complicated because we created them. Anyone who pretends there is a simple solution is off but you can't ignore them.

(09-09-2014 07:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  ISIS is complicated because we created them. Anyone who pretends there is a simple solution is off but you can't ignore them.

I strongly disagree with that statement.

Radical Islam would be against us no matter what we do or do not do.

If ISIS is fighting Syria I say get out the popcorn.

(09-09-2014 07:55 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  If ISIS is fighting Syria I say get out the popcorn.

They are at war with us.

(09-09-2014 07:04 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  wants to do nothing about ISIS.

So?....The last time I checked...the good Dr. is not in office.

(09-09-2014 07:31 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 07:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  ISIS is complicated because we created them. Anyone who pretends there is a simple solution is off but you can't ignore them.

I strongly disagree with that statement.

Radical Islam would be against us no matter what we do or do not do.

I was speaking specifically to ISIS... Our failed nation building helped to create them you are of course correct that the radical Islamist would hate us no matter what we would do.

All that matters is what Rand Paul would do. Dr. Ron Paul has always had a very non-emotional approach to combative groups/states. The idea is that our very policies to combat these forces are also what perpetuate them and their causes.

(09-10-2014 06:44 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 07:31 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 07:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  ISIS is complicated because we created them. Anyone who pretends there is a simple solution is off but you can't ignore them.

I strongly disagree with that statement.

Radical Islam would be against us no matter what we do or do not do.

I was speaking specifically to ISIS... Our failed nation building helped to create them you are of course correct that the radical Islamist would hate us no matter what we would do.

Iraq has been repeatedly blundered over the last 25 years. I have no idea what the best course of action is, but I do believe we would be better off if Saddam Hussein was still alive and in power. Islam is not ready for democracy; we are all better off when they have dictators that at the very least have to play ball to keep themselves rich. ISIS is a direct result of removing Saddam and weakening Assad. Same results in Egypt and Lybia. What is the best course of action now? Give the middle east to Putin?

(09-10-2014 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 06:44 AM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 07:31 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 07:21 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  ISIS is complicated because we created them. Anyone who pretends there is a simple solution is off but you can't ignore them.

I strongly disagree with that statement.

Radical Islam would be against us no matter what we do or do not do.

I was speaking specifically to ISIS... Our failed nation building helped to create them you are of course correct that the radical Islamist would hate us no matter what we would do.

Iraq has been repeatedly blundered over the last 25 years. I have no idea what the best course of action is, but I do believe we would be better off if Saddam Hussein was still alive and in power. Islam is not ready for democracy; we are all better off when they have dictators that at the very least have to play ball to keep themselves rich. ISIS is a direct result of removing Saddam and weakening Assad. Same results in Egypt and Lybia. What is the best course of action now? Give the middle east to Putin?

I agree 100%

This is a tough situation for Libertarians. The prophet says one thing while the prophet's son says something else. Where do we go? Who do we follow?

Having a war on ISIS is a quagmire. They have no known home country, base, lair, etc. It's like fighting in gorilla warfare. We don't know how many there are or where they all are.

These cell groups pop up.

However, I don't think we write them off. We have to be prepared to take the fight to them. Scary thing about ISIS is they're willing to die for their cause, and kill innocent people. We follow Geneva Code.

(09-10-2014 08:19 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This is a tough situation for Libertarians. The prophet says one thing while the prophet's son says something else. Where do we go? Who do we follow?

I think is refreshing to see they are individuals and not some generic gop family dynasty that stand for little other than self preservation and the status quo iirc

(09-10-2014 09:37 AM)WPDAWG08 Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 08:19 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This is a tough situation for Libertarians. The prophet says one thing while the prophet's son says something else. Where do we go? Who do we follow?

I think is refreshing to see they are individuals and not some generic gop family dynasty that stand for little other than self preservation and the status quo iirc

Individualism is great, but not when you are trying to form an ideology.

(09-10-2014 08:19 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This is a tough situation for Libertarians. The prophet says one thing while the prophet's son says something else. Where do we go? Who do we follow?

You just don't understand libertarians, so stop pretending you understand what they're thinking.

(09-10-2014 09:59 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 08:19 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This is a tough situation for Libertarians. The prophet says one thing while the prophet's son says something else. Where do we go? Who do we follow?

You just don't understand libertarians, so stop pretending you understand what they're thinking.

I think the point here is that it varies depending on which libertarian you are talking to.

(09-10-2014 10:01 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 09:59 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 08:19 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This is a tough situation for Libertarians. The prophet says one thing while the prophet's son says something else. Where do we go? Who do we follow?

You just don't understand libertarians, so stop pretending you understand what they're thinking.

I think the point here is that it varies depending on which libertarian you are talking to.

Rand is libertarian leaning. The jury is still out as to how far he leans.

(09-10-2014 07:32 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  I have no idea what the best course of action is, but I do believe we would be better off if Saddam Hussein was still alive and in power.

Easy to say since he is dead and gone, and we will never have to confront what he would have done if he and his faction had remained in power.

(09-10-2014 10:03 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 10:01 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 09:59 AM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote:  

(09-10-2014 08:19 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  This is a tough situation for Libertarians. The prophet says one thing while the prophet's son says something else. Where do we go? Who do we follow?

You just don't understand libertarians, so stop pretending you understand what they're thinking.

I think the point here is that it varies depending on which libertarian you are talking to.

Rand is libertarian leaning. The jury is still out as to how far he leans.

In my view I would not vote for him because he raises some red flags for me. One being illegal immigration and border security, the other being national security and our military.