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Vad Lee passing stats
In 236 attempts at Georgia Tech he was a 46% passer.
In 74 attempts at JMU he is a 49% passer.

These numbers would place any starting QB at the bottom of their league in passing accuracy. Those numbers also result in many stalled drives.

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RE: Vad Lee passing stats
What did Birdsongs' numbers look like?

I think we have very good receivers.
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What did Birdsongs' numbers look like?

After 2 games as a true sophomore Birdsong had completed 39 of 60 passes for a completion rate of 65%. Lee's 49% is as a Redshirt Junior. I still expect Lee's stats to improve, but I'm going to be forever bummed about losing Birdsong!
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RE: Vad Lee passing stats
Lee wasn't brought in to be a true passer. His legs were supposed to set up the pass... like Braxton Miller.

So far, he looks too damn slow for anyone to have worry about his legs beating them.
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Well, bet he doesn't throw 3 INT's vs St Francis like Birdsong did.
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RE: Vad Lee passing stats
I think Lee's passing stats against Lehigh are more indicative of what we will see with regards to his completion %. 20/37 on Saturday is 54% and I think he will be around 60% once the new scheme is ironed out. I will take 20/37 for 284 and 2TDs with 68 yards rushing everyday. Those numbers also come with Tapley dropping one TD pass and the officials taking a TD catch away from Hyman. The offense started slow on Saturday, but there was no overall offensive issues on Saturday.

The defense has room to improve but they did improve in the second half with adjustments at HT.

We have to just throw out everything from that Maryland game --- that was a complete disaster.
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Re: RE: Vad Lee passing stats
(09-09-2014 08:11 AM)JMU2004 Wrote:  Lee wasn't brought in to be a true passer. His legs were supposed to set up the pass... like Braxton Miller.

So far, he looks too damn slow for anyone to have worry about his legs beating them.
So if you are looking for a Braxton Miller type QB, he was 58% accurate 2 years ago and then 63% accurate last year.
I'd take that IF Vad Lee runs for 700 yards as well.

At a 49% accuracy rate he needs to run for 1,500 yards.
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(09-09-2014 08:28 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  Well, bet he doesn't throw 3 INT's vs St Francis like Birdsong did.

Interceptions was the only area where Birdsong's stats were less than desirable last year. But he was a true sophomore and would likely have improved in following years with experience.
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RE: Vad Lee passing stats
Why are we still talking about Birdsong....he is gone. And to be honest I never saw once ounce of progression from Birdsong's first start as a freshman thru the end of his sophmore year. He has zero pocket presence, locks in on one receiver, holds the ball way to long, throws a lot in ints.
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(09-09-2014 08:47 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Why are we still talking about Birdsong....he is gone. And to be honest I never saw once ounce of progression from Birdsong's first start as a freshman thru the end of his sophmore year. He has zero pocket presence, locks in on one receiver, holds the ball way to long, throws a lot in ints.

Amazing how he set so many single game and season records! And he was essentially run off in my opinion!
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(09-09-2014 08:29 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I think Lee's passing stats against Lehigh are more indicative of what we will see with regards to his completion %. 20/37 on Saturday is 54% and I think he will be around 60% once the new scheme is ironed out. I will take 20/37 for 284 and 2TDs with 68 yards rushing everyday. Those numbers also come with Tapley dropping one TD pass and the officials taking a TD catch away from Hyman. The offense started slow on Saturday, but there was no overall offensive issues on Saturday.

The defense has room to improve but they did improve in the second half with adjustments at HT.

We have to just throw out everything from that Maryland game --- that was a complete disaster.

shadyp has it correct. Our offense will score. Vad will get better. the defense is what is keeping us from being a top 10 team.
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(09-09-2014 08:49 AM)JMUPurple Wrote:  
(09-09-2014 08:47 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Why are we still talking about Birdsong....he is gone. And to be honest I never saw once ounce of progression from Birdsong's first start as a freshman thru the end of his sophmore year. He has zero pocket presence, locks in on one receiver, holds the ball way to long, throws a lot in ints.

Amazing how he set so many single game and season records! And he was essentially run off in my opinion!

Exactly how many records did he set and what are they???

And there is a very logical reason for that.....JMU had never run a style of offense where we threw the ball so much. Some of his stats were indicative of the system.

A lot of run&shoot and spread offenseQBs have put up some pretty gaudy stats in college but they don't always translate to actually being great QBs. They are more a product of the system.
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(09-09-2014 08:44 AM)JMUPurple Wrote:  
(09-09-2014 08:28 AM)JMU08 Wrote:  Well, bet he doesn't throw 3 INT's vs St Francis like Birdsong did.

Interceptions was the only area where Birdsong's stats were less than desirable last year. But he was a true sophomore and would likely have improved in following years with experience.

Yes, he was bad at what I consider the most important stat. He sealed many defeats for JMU last year with his terrible decision making.
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(09-09-2014 08:51 AM)PGJMU Wrote:  
(09-09-2014 08:29 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I think Lee's passing stats against Lehigh are more indicative of what we will see with regards to his completion %. 20/37 on Saturday is 54% and I think he will be around 60% once the new scheme is ironed out. I will take 20/37 for 284 and 2TDs with 68 yards rushing everyday. Those numbers also come with Tapley dropping one TD pass and the officials taking a TD catch away from Hyman. The offense started slow on Saturday, but there was no overall offensive issues on Saturday.

The defense has room to improve but they did improve in the second half with adjustments at HT.

We have to just throw out everything from that Maryland game --- that was a complete disaster.

shadyp has it correct. Our offense will score. Vad will get better. the defense is what is keeping us from being a top 10 team.

We switched to a 3-4 defense this offseason, so I'm expecting the D to improve as the year progresses. Early indications are that we have shored up the secondary, so I'm optimistic that the D will make good strides as the LBs become more comfortable in their roles
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Once this team has 6-8 games under their belts, it is going to be night and day with how different they are from last years squad. I can't lie and say the defense isn't a bit concerning but I have faith they'll get it done.
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(09-09-2014 08:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  And there is a very logical reason for that.....JMU had never run a style of offense where we threw the ball so much. Some of his stats were indicative of the system.

A lot of run&shoot and spread offenseQBs have put up some pretty gaudy stats in college but they don't always translate to actually being great QBs. They are more a product of the system.

I wouldn't say never. Maybe under Matthews, but I remember Mike Cawley throwing it around with a team that had the QB, WR, and TE all drafted into the NFL. That was a lot of fun to watch.
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(09-09-2014 09:16 AM)Top Dawg Wrote:  
(09-09-2014 08:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  And there is a very logical reason for that.....JMU had never run a style of offense where we threw the ball so much. Some of his stats were indicative of the system.

A lot of run&shoot and spread offenseQBs have put up some pretty gaudy stats in college but they don't always translate to actually being great QBs. They are more a product of the system.

I wouldn't say never. Maybe under Matthews, but I remember Mike Cawley throwing it around with a team that had the QB, WR, and TE all drafted into the NFL. That was a lot of fun to watch.

Cawley was good, but they still ran a lot with that team. Was still a 50/50 split or leaned toward running.
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(09-09-2014 09:29 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  
(09-09-2014 09:16 AM)Top Dawg Wrote:  
(09-09-2014 08:56 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  And there is a very logical reason for that.....JMU had never run a style of offense where we threw the ball so much. Some of his stats were indicative of the system.

A lot of run&shoot and spread offenseQBs have put up some pretty gaudy stats in college but they don't always translate to actually being great QBs. They are more a product of the system.

I wouldn't say never. Maybe under Matthews, but I remember Mike Cawley throwing it around with a team that had the QB, WR, and TE all drafted into the NFL. That was a lot of fun to watch.

Cawley was good, but they still ran a lot with that team. Was still a 50/50 split or leaned toward running.

Last year was a 57% run 43% pass split. I don't have the stats for 1994, but if what you say is correct, 50/50 split or leaned toward running, then they would appear very comparable.
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I don't get the obsession with Birdsong.
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(09-09-2014 08:49 AM)JMUPurple Wrote:  
(09-09-2014 08:47 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  Why are we still talking about Birdsong....he is gone. And to be honest I never saw once ounce of progression from Birdsong's first start as a freshman thru the end of his sophmore year. He has zero pocket presence, locks in on one receiver, holds the ball way to long, throws a lot in ints.

Amazing how he set so many single game and season records! And he was essentially run off in my opinion!

Did he set the interceptions record? 16 is definitely not an alarming number or anything.
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