(09-08-2014 01:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  UCF seems to be a popular school in realignment discussions and why not? They won the Fiesta Bowl and fill their campus stadium. USF is often mentioned along with UCF because of the rivalry, travel partner and TV market aspects.

Under Jim Leavitt, USF actually broke on the national scene before UCF did. USF beat Florida St, Miami, West Virginia, Auburn, Clemson, UNC, NC St, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, etc. They once enjoyed a big advantage over UCF.

Saturday, 1-0 USF drew 18,101 butts in seats for Big 10 Maryland. The local interest in the USF program appears to be at an all-time low. USF continues to play off campus at an NFL Stadium.

What are your thoughts on USF's realignment prospects? And what do they need to do to improve them?

There are three names in Florida ahead of them right now and of those only Miami is the only one that there is a remote chance of overtaking and that in the distant future. The issue however is this. The only real possibilities would be a membership in the ACC (has two Florida schools already), the SEC which has Florida, and the Big 12. The possibility to be taken by the SEC might be viable as the academic standing climbs, and as the need to have a school in Central to South Florida becomes more apparent to them, (also in the distant future). The best prospect for UCF and USF for any immediate attention would be from the Big 12. I don't think that will happen until many other issues are resolved, all of which are extraneous to UCF and USF's appeal, or lack thereof.

So the answer is there is not much they could do now to enhance their chances, but 18,000 attendance certainly isn't going to attract interest.

(09-08-2014 01:48 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  The only G5 schools with any claim to P5 membership are BYU and Connecticut.

Neither one has any claim to P5 membership.

(09-08-2014 05:28 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  UCF seems to be a popular school in realignment discussions and why not? They won the Fiesta Bowl and fill their campus stadium. USF is often mentioned along with UCF because of the rivalry, travel partner and TV market aspects.

Under Jim Leavitt, USF actually broke on the national scene before UCF did. USF beat Florida St, Miami, West Virginia, Auburn, Clemson, UNC, NC St, Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse, etc. They once enjoyed a big advantage over UCF.

Saturday, 1-0 USF drew 18,101 butts in seats for Big 10 Maryland. The local interest in the USF program appears to be at an all-time low. USF continues to play off campus at an NFL Stadium.

What are your thoughts on USF's realignment prospects? And what do they need to do to improve them?

There are three names in Florida ahead of them right now and of those only Miami is the only one that there is a remote chance of overtaking and that in the distant future. The issue however is this. The only real possibilities would be a membership in the ACC (has two Florida schools already), the SEC which has Florida, and the Big 12. The possibility to be taken by the SEC might be viable as the academic standing climbs, and as the need to have a school in Central to South Florida becomes more apparent to them, (also in the distant future). The best prospect for UCF and USF for any immediate attention would be from the Big 12. I don't think that will happen until many other issues are resolved, all of which are extraneous to UCF and USF's appeal, or lack thereof.

So the answer is there is not much they could do now to enhance their chances, but 18,000 attendance certainly isn't going to attract interest.

Yes, the bottom line is that neither my USF or UCF is going anywhere any time soon.

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Its unfortunate that we have these sorts of threads on this board during the best part of the year--football season! These threads should be saved for the summer, if we want to practice cannibalism. But it would be nice to go thru this season, the first season with all the conferences reconfigured, and just enjoy watching all that play out. It is ECU and Houston fans that post these kinds of threads, ECU because I think they have such strong game day attendance and excellent facilities...but have to look at Duke and WF in a BCS conference and wonder about the injustice of it all. Houston fans, because they are not in B12, which they probably would be if they hadn't fallen asleep at the switch.

USF needs a 40k on campus stadium. That would get the ball rolling in the right direction. UCF has the head start.

(09-08-2014 04:49 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 03:55 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 02:07 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 02:04 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:48 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  The only G5 schools with any claim to P5 membership are BYU and Connecticut. Cincinnati is in a tier below those two, others schools like UCF, Houston and Temple are long shots. South Florida isn't even on the radar...

What claim would BYU and UConn have to any P5 membership? They aren't P5 members. BYU was just rebuffed by the ACC and SEC for consideration as fulfilling each conference's "power school" scheduling requirement. Neither is under any serious consideration for an invitation, so how can either "claim" P5 membership?

That said, USF, like any school hoping to gain access to the club, needs to increase their fan support and academic standing, reduce the reliance on institutional subsidies, and honestly, partner with UCF to be a combo. The two schools together are a better addition than either separately.

Only if they agree to split one conference distribution share between them.

Says who? You? Really? At least one of them not USF would compete at or near the top in any P-5 conference right now, and if they compete better than most, why should they make less money? Oh yeah, it's simple, GREED.

I'm not sure I understand your post at all. My position is that a P5 conference would do better by taking just UCF rather than as a package deal with USF. Do you think UCF is more valuable as part of a combo than it is by itself?

My post was in response to your post with the statement " only if they agree to split one conference distribution share between them." So the point I was trying to make ( apparently poorly) was that if they (UCF and USF) are added to a conference they should have equal distribution shares. Of course I'm personally not opposed to a phased in full share ( ie. each make less in the first five years with a graduating rate of distribution each year until year five when they each receive a full distribution share. As to the question of whether I think UCF is more valuable as part of a combo than by itself, it's kinda a trick question to me. Short term I believe that UCF is far and away a better add currently by itself, however as much as I'd like to see USF fall on its face on the football field every game except OOC, I'm realistic, and recognize that USF won't always be so pathetic therefore long term I think the two together to merge the 13th and 20th largest tv markets into the 4th largest tv market make the combo deal the much better long term value.

(09-08-2014 03:56 PM)prp Wrote:  For either or both of USF and UCF to get a look, the Big 12 would have to start a cable network and be looking to expand it's subscriber base. There's no indication right now that they're at all interested in that. The other possibility, which is even more unlikely, would be for the Big 12 to somehow find a way to pull in FSU leaving the ACC in need of a Florida replacement.

A Big 12 network is the U_F's best chance at cracking the P5. There are too many TV sets in Florida to ignore.

The Florida twins are not in consideration

(09-08-2014 06:47 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Its unfortunate that we have these sorts of threads on this board during the best part of the year--football season! These threads should be saved for the summer, if we want to practice cannibalism. But it would be nice to go thru this season, the first season with all the conferences reconfigured, and just enjoy watching all that play out.

This is a "conference realignment" board so if you don't like realignment talk during the season, then find a board with a different focus.

The answer has already been written, an ocs. Fans want to be on campus for a variety of reasons. It also. Ames it easier for students to attend. Ucla's AD was quoted as saying, 'if you can't get them to attend while they're students you're not going to get them to attend as alumni.'

(09-08-2014 06:08 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:48 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  The only G5 schools with any claim to P5 membership are BYU and Connecticut.

Neither one has any claim to P5 membership.

What if BYU comes begging in Austin, and promises UT they would behave in the Big 12? If Cincy has a big year, why won't BYU-Cincinnati to the Big 12 be possible?

(09-08-2014 05:19 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 02:39 PM)LSUtah Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:09 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  

USF was ahead of UCF at the time. Both were considered, but USF basically blazed the trail of large, southern, urban schools starting football and moving up quickly. UCF had taken a much more conservative approach and did not move up to then D1a until after USF did. As such USF was in CUSA while UCF was in the lower MAC. The BE was taking a big enough credibility hit by being raided and having to desperately back fill from the them equalish CUSA. Bringing in UCF would have made the perception problem even worse. Hindsight being 20/20 UCF should have been invited then.

USF got in the BE mostly because of Basket Ball, UCF was never considered for all sports, just FB only.

UCF was 1a before USF, USF became 1A 2 or 3 years before joining the BE. UCF was a 1a independent for a few years before joining the Mac for 3.
USF had a nice BB arena compared to UCF who at the time played in a garage. BB mattered to the BE, and USF was clearly ahead of UCF there.

(09-09-2014 07:04 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 06:47 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Its unfortunate that we have these sorts of threads on this board during the best part of the year--football season! These threads should be saved for the summer, if we want to practice cannibalism. But it would be nice to go thru this season, the first season with all the conferences reconfigured, and just enjoy watching all that play out.

This is a "conference realignment" board so if you don't like realignment talk during the season, then find a board with a different focus.

This isn't a realignment board anymore, despite its label. Most the posts on this board are negative, mocking a college or conference, because the poster is frustrated, in their eyes, with their current inadequate college's situation. If BCS Conference #X or NonBCS conference #Y wants to do things that improve the conference and its schools, that's fine. Let's talk about that. But this continual mocking of others won't move any conference forward, especially when the general sporting public view many as the same peas in the pod.

(09-09-2014 08:04 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 07:04 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 06:47 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Its unfortunate that we have these sorts of threads on this board during the best part of the year--football season! These threads should be saved for the summer, if we want to practice cannibalism. But it would be nice to go thru this season, the first season with all the conferences reconfigured, and just enjoy watching all that play out.

This is a "conference realignment" board so if you don't like realignment talk during the season, then find a board with a different focus.

This isn't a realignment board anymore, despite its label. Most the posts on this board are negative, mocking a college or conference, because the poster is frustrated, in their eyes, with their current inadequate college's situation.

While that is true and I dislike it as well, what would you suggest? Perhaps what we need is a Realignment Therapy Board and tighter moderation here. Ideas?

(09-09-2014 08:04 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(09-09-2014 07:04 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 06:47 PM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Its unfortunate that we have these sorts of threads on this board during the best part of the year--football season! These threads should be saved for the summer, if we want to practice cannibalism. But it would be nice to go thru this season, the first season with all the conferences reconfigured, and just enjoy watching all that play out.

This is a "conference realignment" board so if you don't like realignment talk during the season, then find a board with a different focus.

This isn't a realignment board anymore, despite its label. Most the posts on this board are negative, mocking a college or conference, because the poster is frustrated, in their eyes, with their current inadequate college's situation. If BCS Conference #X or NonBCS conference #Y wants to do things that improve the conference and its schools, that's fine. Let's talk about that. But this continual mocking of others won't move any conference forward, especially when the general sporting public view many as the same peas in the pod.

I don't mind the mocking because let's face it, that's part and parcel of being a college football fan. You cheer your team and you mock and ridicule others. That's half the fun. That's Michigan playing the "chicken dance" song after beating Notre Dame last year because they are canceling the series and Notre Dame sticking them back in the eye by announcing a series with Ohio State right before their game last week.

So if a UCF fan wants to explain why he thinks UCF will be invited to the Big 12 and also mock USF's chances of the same, have at it.

A college football forum that involved strictly technical, dispassionate analysis of realignment or anything else would be unrealistic and boring, IMO. Serious dispassionate analysis is for serious topics, like developing an ISIS strategy or tax policy. College football is frivolous and irrationally emotional so should be treated as such.

(09-09-2014 07:46 AM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 06:08 PM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 01:48 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  The only G5 schools with any claim to P5 membership are BYU and Connecticut.

Neither one has any claim to P5 membership.

What if BYU comes begging in Austin, and promises UT they would behave in the Big 12? If Cincy has a big year, why won't BYU-Cincinnati to the Big 12 be possible?

What-ifs are not the same thing as claims. Regardless, if BYU swallows their pride and compromises for the Big 12, I think it's more likely they take another western program as a travel partner for them to avoid making the mistake they made with WVU.

I think that the G5 schools with the potential to be added to the P5 are in alphabetical order:

BYU
Central Florida
Cincinnati
Connecticut
East Carolina
South Florida

Long shots are:

Colorado State
Houston
UNLV
San Diego State

(09-08-2014 09:23 PM)Pony94 Wrote:  The Florida twins are not in consideration

By whom, is this purely opinion or do you have some information that is unavailable to the rest of us? If you do have "inside" info. Please do share. I think it is more accurate to say SMU is not being considered, although I personally like SMU the school, their on field performance recently however remains severely lacking.

(09-08-2014 01:25 PM)ken d Wrote:  Conventional wisdom seems to pair USF and UCF as candidates to move up to the P5 together. That's probably because UCF would be as big a geographic outlier in the Big 12 as West Virginia is if they went alone.

I think the Big <12 will stand pat for a few years. But I agree that they are more likely to take UCF and USF together than just UCF alone.

(09-09-2014 10:00 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  What-ifs are not the same thing as claims. Regardless, if BYU swallows their pride and compromises for the Big 12, I think it's more likely they take another western program as a travel partner for them to avoid making the mistake they made with WVU.

I agree with you. I know this is a thread about UCF, but I think the BYU domino has to fall first. And I agree with you that the Big 12 would not add BYU and UCF at the same time because of geography.

I also would not expect BYU to stand by silently and watch the Big 12 add UCF and USF without trying to crash that party.