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(09-08-2014 10:36 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  [Image: reagan-vs-obama-labor-force-participation-rate.jpg]

AWWW PHOOEY! Do you ALWAYS have to ruin their fun?
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(09-08-2014 10:27 AM)john01992 Wrote:  [Image: Unemployment-Reagan-v-Obama.jpg]

It helps that Obama has the *lowest* participation rate since 1978. But you would have to understand the numbers to appreciate how that sekwes the data.
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RE: Unemployment: Reagan vs Obama
(09-08-2014 10:43 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 10:36 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  [Image: reagan-vs-obama-labor-force-participation-rate.jpg]

AWWW PHOOEY! Do you ALWAYS have to ruin their fun?

what I find hilarious is that during the first part of obama's presidency conservatives were saying unemployment stats matter while not emphasizing LFPR. now it's the complete opposite.

Emphasize only the stats that fits ones argument I guess...
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(09-08-2014 10:36 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  [Image: reagan-vs-obama-labor-force-participation-rate.jpg]

Boom, headshot haha
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RE: Unemployment: Reagan vs Obama
Unemployment stats DO matter...

but consistency in the comparisons matter as well.

C'mon John... Even a 3rd grader knows that 95% of a bigger number is more than 95% of a smaller one, yet the 'rates' are exactly the same.

Serious question. Are you guys really this unintelligent, or are you merely willing to tell whatever lie you have to in order to avoid even the most benign criticism of Obama?
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Its ironic, but Obama has built an economy that only works for he rich and wall street, which is what the left has been screaming about the right for a generation.
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Its sad how the left continues to try and fool people by spouting off unemployment numbers, when most of us know millions of unemployed aren't even counted anymore for a whole plethora of reasons. They are simply hoping to trick the uniformed voter.

Smallest American Workforce in over 40 years.

The article tried to explain this away but failed miserably.



Record totals AND percentages of people on

Food Stamps
Disability
Living in poverty
Welfare
No longer in the workforce

Falling living wages and disposable family incomes for over 6 consecutive years now. Coupled with rising taxes, rising energy costs, rising food costs, rising healthcare costs, ect.
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(09-08-2014 10:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Unemployment stats DO matter...

but consistency in the comparisons matter as well.

C'mon John... Even a 3rd grader knows that 95% of a bigger number is more than 95% of a smaller one, yet the 'rates' are exactly the same.

Serious question. Are you guys really this unintelligent, or are you merely willing to tell whatever lie you have to in order to avoid even the most benign criticism of Obama?

I was just showing an interesting stat that can be interpreted as one see's fit, did I make any statement attached to it? Nope so quit your bitching
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(09-08-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 10:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Unemployment stats DO matter...

but consistency in the comparisons matter as well.

C'mon John... Even a 3rd grader knows that 95% of a bigger number is more than 95% of a smaller one, yet the 'rates' are exactly the same.

Serious question. Are you guys really this unintelligent, or are you merely willing to tell whatever lie you have to in order to avoid even the most benign criticism of Obama?

I was just showing an interesting stat that can be interpreted as one see's fit, did I make any statement attached to it? Nope so quit your bitching

We all knew what you were implying with this thread, and now you're just backpedaling after overlooking a big aspect of the current state in employment. You should just admit it and move on imo.
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(09-08-2014 11:02 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I was just posting something dishonest and misleading to complain when someone pointed out it was dishonest and misleading.


We noticed

It wasn't dishonest, just misleading.
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(09-08-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I was just posting something dishonest and misleading so I could complain when someone pointed out it was dishonest and misleading.


We noticed
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RE: Unemployment: Reagan vs Obama
(09-08-2014 11:02 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 10:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Unemployment stats DO matter...

but consistency in the comparisons matter as well.

C'mon John... Even a 3rd grader knows that 95% of a bigger number is more than 95% of a smaller one, yet the 'rates' are exactly the same.

Serious question. Are you guys really this unintelligent, or are you merely willing to tell whatever lie you have to in order to avoid even the most benign criticism of Obama?

I was just showing an interesting stat that can be interpreted as one see's fit, did I make any statement attached to it? Nope so quit your bitching

We all knew what you were implying with this thread, and now you're just backpedaling after overlooking a big aspect of the current state in employment. You should just admit it and move on imo.

I just find it hilarious that this talking point only gets injected into the conversation when the stats are against obama. first term it was all about looking at just the unemployment numbers according to the cons, we don't really see that talking point anymore.
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(09-08-2014 11:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 11:02 AM)Doctor Krieger Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  
(09-08-2014 10:54 AM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Unemployment stats DO matter...

but consistency in the comparisons matter as well.

C'mon John... Even a 3rd grader knows that 95% of a bigger number is more than 95% of a smaller one, yet the 'rates' are exactly the same.

Serious question. Are you guys really this unintelligent, or are you merely willing to tell whatever lie you have to in order to avoid even the most benign criticism of Obama?

I was just showing an interesting stat that can be interpreted as one see's fit, did I make any statement attached to it? Nope so quit your bitching

We all knew what you were implying with this thread, and now you're just backpedaling after overlooking a big aspect of the current state in employment. You should just admit it and move on imo.

I just find it hilarious that this talking point only gets injected into the conversation when the stats are against obama. first term it was all about looking at just the unemployment numbers according to the cons, we don't really see that talking point anymore.

Hey, it goes both ways. Both sides do it.
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This thread prompted this image to come to mind

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(09-08-2014 10:57 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  Its sad how the left continues to try and fool people by spouting off unemployment numbers, when most of us know millions of unemployed aren't even counted anymore for a whole plethora of reasons. They are simply hoping to trick the uniformed voter.

Smallest American Workforce in over 40 years.

The article tried to explain this away but failed miserably.



Record totals AND percentages of people on

Food Stamps
Disability
Living in poverty
Welfare
No longer in the workforce

Falling living wages and disposable family incomes for over 6 consecutive years now. Coupled with rising taxes, rising energy costs, rising food costs, rising healthcare costs, ect.

Get use to it. All those cushy easy middle management jobs are gone. There is no need for the hot front desk chick with no skills who answers phones and has full benefits. If you don't bring something to the table as an employee, there is no room for you in this economy. It was there all along but hidden before the recession because of year over year profits. Companies are cutting the fat and those jobs will NEVER return. Not really Obama's fault, it's been in the cards for decades.
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Quote:When President Reagan entered office in 1981, he faced actually much worse economic problems than President Obama faced in 2009. Three worsening recessions starting in 1969 were about to culminate in the worst of all in 1981-1982, with unemployment soaring into double digits at a peak of 10.8%. At the same time America suffered roaring double-digit inflation, with the CPI registering at 11.3% in 1979 and 13.5% in 1980 (25% in two years). The Washington establishment at the time argued that this inflation was now endemic to the American economy, and could not be stopped, at least not without a calamitous economic collapse.

All of the above was accompanied by double -igit interest rates, with the prime rate peaking at 21.5% in 1980. The poverty rate started increasing in 1978, eventually climbing by an astounding 33%, from 11.4% to 15.2%. A fall in real median family income that began in 1978 snowballed to a decline of almost 10% by 1982. In addition, from 1968 to 1982, the Dow Jones industrial average lost 70% of its real value, reflecting an overall collapse of stocks.

President Reagan campaigned on an explicitly articulated, four-point economic program to reverse this slow motion collapse of the American economy:

1. Cut tax rates to restore incentives for economic growth, which was implemented first with a reduction in the top income tax rate of 70% down to 50%, and then a 25% across-the-board reduction in income tax rates for everyone. The 1986 tax reform then reduced tax rates further, leaving just two rates, 28% and 15%.

2. Spending reductions, including a $31 billion cut in spending in 1981, close to 5% of the federal budget then, or the equivalent of about $175 billion in spending cuts for the year today. In constant dollars, nondefense discretionary spending declined by 14.4% from 1981 to 1982, and by 16.8% from 1981 to 1983. Moreover, in constant dollars, this nondefense discretionary spending never returned to its 1981 level for the rest of Reagan’s two terms! Even with the Reagan defense buildup, which won the Cold War without firing a shot, total federal spending declined from a high of 23.5% of GDP in 1983 to 21.3% in 1988 and 21.2% in 1989. That’s a real reduction in the size of government relative to the economy of 10%.

3. Anti-inflation monetary policy restraining money supply growth compared to demand, to maintain a stronger, more stable dollar value.

4. Deregulation, which saved consumers an estimated $100 billion per year in lower prices. Reagan’s first executive order, in fact, eliminated price controls on oil and natural gas. Production soared, and aided by a strong dollar the price of oil declined by more than 50%.

These economic policies amounted to the most successful economic experiment in world history. The Reagan recovery started in official records in November 1982, and lasted 92 months without a recession until July 1990, when the tax increases of the 1990 budget deal killed it. This set a new record for the longest peacetime expansion ever, the previous high in peacetime being 58 months.

During this seven-year recovery, the economy grew by almost one-third, the equivalent of adding the entire economy of West Germany, the third-largest in the world at the time, to the U.S. economy. In 1984 alone real economic growth boomed by 6.8%, the highest in 50 years. Nearly 20 million new jobs were created during the recovery, increasing U.S. civilian employment by almost 20%. Unemployment fell to 5.3% by 1989.

The shocking rise in inflation during the Nixon and Carter years was reversed. Astoundingly, inflation from 1980 was reduced by more than half by 1982, to 6.2%. It was cut in half again for 1983, to 3.2%, never to be heard from again until recently. The contractionary, tight-money policies needed to kill this inflation inexorably created the steep recession of 1981 to 1982, which is why Reagan did not suffer politically catastrophic blame for that recession.


Real per-capita disposable income increased by 18% from 1982 to 1989, meaning the American standard of living increased by almost 20% in just seven years. The poverty rate declined every year from 1984 to 1989, dropping by one-sixth from its peak. The stock market more than tripled in value from 1980 to 1990, a larger increase than in any previous decade.

In The End of Prosperity, supply side guru Art Laffer and Wall Street Journal chief financial writer Steve Moore point out that this Reagan recovery grew into a 25-year boom, with just slight interruptions by shallow, short recessions in 1990 and 2001. They wrote:

We call this period, 1982-2007, the twenty-five year boom–the greatest period of wealth creation in the history of the planet. In 1980, the net worth–assets minus liabilities–of all U.S. households and business … was $25 trillion in today’s dollars. By 2007, … net worth was just shy of $57 trillion. Adjusting for inflation, more wealth was created in America in the twenty-five year boom than in the previous two hundred years.

What is so striking about Obamanomics is how it so doggedly pursues the opposite of every one of these planks of Reaganomics. Instead of reducing tax rates, President Obama is committed to raising the top tax rates of virtually every major federal tax. As already enacted into current law, in 2013 the top two income tax rates will rise by nearly 20%, counting as well Obama’s proposed deduction phase-outs.

Suck on that libs....

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(09-08-2014 11:15 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I just find it hilarious that this talking point only gets injected into the conversation when the stats are against obama. first term it was all about looking at just the unemployment numbers according to the cons, we don't really see that talking point anymore.

No... it was brought up in reference to Jimmy Carter, it was brought up in reference to George W. Bush, and it's hitting it's high water mark during the Obama adminstration.

In fact, it was during the GWB administration when the media start running with the U6 (again, there are U1-U14(I think, I'd have to go look) numbers for unemployment numbers) numbers, because they took a huge uptick toward the end of GWB's presidency.
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(09-08-2014 10:57 AM)john01992 Wrote:  I was just showing an interesting stat that can be interpreted as one see's fit, did I make any statement attached to it? Nope so quit your bitching

That's a lie John. I'll quit bitching when you stop lying. Once again, you deflect from reality in order to protect Obama from any criticism.

You claimed that the right didn't care about labor participation early in Obama's tenure, but now it's all they care about.

That isn't true. It's just that early on, the labor participation rate hadn't changed much. If you'd like to include it in the conversation, we certainly can. It doesn't (as you claim it would) change the interpretation of the statistics.
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