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(09-07-2014 08:46 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  So we are saying Idaho's guy, Petrino came in and righted their floundering ship so fast they are a lock to beat us?

I'd take Paul Petrino over Fleck, easily. His brother is a legit top 10-12 coach (with ethical issues) I'm sure he picked up some coaching skill in 20 years of following him around.
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Not arguing that. It's just the spot we are rationalizing here. He doesn't make as much as Fleck I'm guessing.
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(09-07-2014 09:44 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Not arguing that. It's just the spot we are rationalizing here. He doesn't make as much as Fleck I'm guessing.

Hey, Idaho Vandal here, thought I would swing by. Petrino makes about the same as Fleck. His base salary is about $390,000. This is his second year coaching. But outr coaching staff and athletics are also products of Petrino's connections. Some of them are kids of NFL coaches (Linehan-Cowboys, Cable-Seahawks), these are people who either coached with Petrino when he was a GA at Idaho in the early 90s or played with him. His coaching staff either comes from his brother's connections or other former coaches. The QB coach is the son of Dennis Erickson. The recruiting coordinator was in charge of High School Relation at Arkansas so that pipeline feeds more talent.

So some would say Idaho's current crop of players and coaches are a tiny bit above what a school like that should be able to recruit or afford. But between Petrino's old SEC recruiting connections and the Idaho old boys club he keeps in touch with—Dennis Erickson, John L Smith, Linehan, Bobby Petrino and such—he is putting together a decent team. Now how that changes the W-L column is still up for debate.
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About the same, then that's still disturbing. You get the guy with great contacts, experience and obviously a pedigree. We get a boat rower.

A lot of awesome going on here. 03-thumbsup

BTW, Rob is doing great with the Vikes and it's not his fault the Florida game was cancelled.
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DesertBronco you continue to embarrass our fan base. Petrino was at Idaho last season. You know what his record was? 1-11. He is a second year coach coming off a 1-11 season. I know you can't resist any attempt to heap crap on the coaching staff and give up on the program and these kids after one game against a B1G opponent but maybe you should at least google WTF you are talking about to come off less bitter and twisted.
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Yeah, you're right, he coached there last year, and it appears he's progressing much faster than our guy, to the point where we're saying they're going to win and it's a lock. Pathetic.

We need to win that game.

Actually, I can't think of a BETTER benchmark. A second year coach with a 1-11 record? No doubt.
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(09-07-2014 10:38 PM)ghost bronco Wrote:  DesertBronco you continue to embarrass our fan base. Petrino was at Idaho last season. You know what his record was? 1-11. He is a second year coach coming off a 1-11 season. I know you can't resist any attempt to heap crap on the coaching staff and give up on the program and these kids after one game against a B1G opponent but maybe you should at least google WTF you are talking about to come off less bitter and twisted.

BTW, that B1G opponent looked PATHETIC against our rival, CMU.
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(09-07-2014 10:38 PM)ghost bronco Wrote:  DesertBronco you continue to embarrass our fan base. Petrino was at Idaho last season. You know what his record was? 1-11. He is a second year coach coming off a 1-11 season. I know you can't resist any attempt to heap crap on the coaching staff and give up on the program and these kids after one game against a B1G opponent but maybe you should at least google WTF you are talking about to come off less bitter and twisted.

I think we may have gotten lucky with Petrino. His brother had just gotten into that Arkansas scandal and lost his job. So his coaching staff had disbanded and that became an opportunity for his brother to try moving up to HC.

Idaho's curse is that when our coaches do get good or show signs of promise they move on because we can't afford to keep them. Dennis Erickson, Tormey, John L Smith, all coaches who began their HC coaching at Idaho or at least built their brand there.

Dennis Erickson came to Idaho from Miami in 2006 I think. Promised he was going to retire there. UI even gave him the old house he used to live in lol Long story short, he left us for Arizona State University 10 months later haha
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(09-07-2014 10:49 PM)VandalsInternational Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:38 PM)ghost bronco Wrote:  DesertBronco you continue to embarrass our fan base. Petrino was at Idaho last season. You know what his record was? 1-11. He is a second year coach coming off a 1-11 season. I know you can't resist any attempt to heap crap on the coaching staff and give up on the program and these kids after one game against a B1G opponent but maybe you should at least google WTF you are talking about to come off less bitter and twisted.

I think we may have gotten lucky with Petrino. His brother had just gotten into that Arkansas scandal and lost his job. So his coaching staff had disbanded and that became an opportunity for his brother to try moving up to HC.

Idaho's curse is that when our coaches do get good or show signs of promise they move on because we can't afford to keep them. Dennis Erickson, Tormey, John L Smith, all coaches who began their HC coaching at Idaho or at least built their brand there.

Dennis Erickson came to Idaho from Miami in 2006 I think. Promised he was going to retire there. UI even gave him the old house he used to live in lol Long story short, he left us for Arizona State University 10 months later haha

He left you guys in trouble a little too didn't he, players in trouble, grades, etc?

Looks like you all landed on your feet with this guy and his roots being in that area. Maybe he can have Price come in give a pep talk or two!
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Spin it and change the subject after you are shown to have based several posts on how great Paul Petrino is after he had the exact same record through his first season as a coach you've obsessed over since he was hired. Know you want to talk about the Purdue game. Really you just want to pee and moan about Fleck and you don't care how factually wrong you are in the process.
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(09-07-2014 10:51 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:49 PM)VandalsInternational Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:38 PM)ghost bronco Wrote:  DesertBronco you continue to embarrass our fan base. Petrino was at Idaho last season. You know what his record was? 1-11. He is a second year coach coming off a 1-11 season. I know you can't resist any attempt to heap crap on the coaching staff and give up on the program and these kids after one game against a B1G opponent but maybe you should at least google WTF you are talking about to come off less bitter and twisted.

I think we may have gotten lucky with Petrino. His brother had just gotten into that Arkansas scandal and lost his job. So his coaching staff had disbanded and that became an opportunity for his brother to try moving up to HC.

Idaho's curse is that when our coaches do get good or show signs of promise they move on because we can't afford to keep them. Dennis Erickson, Tormey, John L Smith, all coaches who began their HC coaching at Idaho or at least built their brand there.

Dennis Erickson came to Idaho from Miami in 2006 I think. Promised he was going to retire there. UI even gave him the old house he used to live in lol Long story short, he left us for Arizona State University 10 months later haha

He left you guys in trouble a little too didn't he, players in trouble, grades, etc?

Looks like you all landed on your feet with this guy and his roots being in that area. Maybe he can have Price come in give a pep talk or two!

I don't know. When you're an Idaho Vandal you kind of get used to the coaching revolving door. I think there was a time we had 5 head coaching changes in the space of 4 or 5 years. Tom Cable, Nick Holt, Dennis Erickson, Rob Akey. You can't really blame them though. Recruiting to Moscow, Idaho is so difficult and a touch market. PAC12 Washington State University is 6 miles away. Then in state you're competing with Boise State University. Then Oregon and Oregon State are around the corner so is the University of Washington—it's touch recruiting in the Northwest so Petrino's familiarity with the region plus his SEC routes have at least expanded our recruitment map significantly. It's just a tough place to coach, recruit. Our indoor stadium is perhaps one of the only selling points. Not weather delays, no cold etc.
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(09-07-2014 10:51 PM)ghost bronco Wrote:  Spin it and change the subject after you are shown to have based several posts on how great Paul Petrino is after he had the exact same record through his first season as a coach you've obsessed over since he was hired. Know you want to talk about the Purdue game. Really you just want to pee and moan about Fleck and you don't care how factually wrong you are in the process.

Spin it? I thought this was Petrino's first year. I was wrong.

Now, having said that, I can't think of a better benchmark. Only a neutral field would be better.

BTW, you really seem to be pining for an argument with me, just like EVERY OTHER one of your posts. 03-melodramatic

Your writing style is similar to a fat bulletheaded guy whom I know who posts here.
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(09-07-2014 10:56 PM)VandalsInternational Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:51 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:49 PM)VandalsInternational Wrote:  
(09-07-2014 10:38 PM)ghost bronco Wrote:  DesertBronco you continue to embarrass our fan base. Petrino was at Idaho last season. You know what his record was? 1-11. He is a second year coach coming off a 1-11 season. I know you can't resist any attempt to heap crap on the coaching staff and give up on the program and these kids after one game against a B1G opponent but maybe you should at least google WTF you are talking about to come off less bitter and twisted.

I think we may have gotten lucky with Petrino. His brother had just gotten into that Arkansas scandal and lost his job. So his coaching staff had disbanded and that became an opportunity for his brother to try moving up to HC.

Idaho's curse is that when our coaches do get good or show signs of promise they move on because we can't afford to keep them. Dennis Erickson, Tormey, John L Smith, all coaches who began their HC coaching at Idaho or at least built their brand there.

Dennis Erickson came to Idaho from Miami in 2006 I think. Promised he was going to retire there. UI even gave him the old house he used to live in lol Long story short, he left us for Arizona State University 10 months later haha

He left you guys in trouble a little too didn't he, players in trouble, grades, etc?

Looks like you all landed on your feet with this guy and his roots being in that area. Maybe he can have Price come in give a pep talk or two!

I don't know. When you're an Idaho Vandal you kind of get used to the coaching revolving door. I think there was a time we had 5 head coaching changes in the space of 4 or 5 years. Tom Cable, Nick Holt, Dennis Erickson, Rob Akey. You can't really blame them though. Recruiting to Moscow, Idaho is so difficult and a touch market. PAC12 Washington State University is 6 miles away. Then in state you're competing with Boise State University. Then Oregon and Oregon State are around the corner so is the University of Washington—it's touch recruiting in the Northwest so Petrino's familiarity with the region plus his SEC routes have at least expanded our recruitment map significantly. It's just a tough place to coach, recruit. Our indoor stadium is perhaps one of the only selling points. Not weather delays, no cold etc.

I have quite a few friends in that area, with Eastern Washington, WSU and Idaho ties.

I'm happy that you think that you got lucky with this hire, and I hope you enjoy his success while you have him, I'm envious. For real.
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If WMU would have hired Petrino rather than Fleck, you'd be going off about ethics. "Where there's smoke there's fire" would probably be your signature line. It would be your platform for the anti Petrino campaign at WMU.


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From the moment this game was on our schedule, I said this would be a tough game for us. Anytime you go out west (anywhere), it's never going to be easy. Having had no idea what Idaho was going to look like against Florida and ULM, I thought this was a winnable game but by no means did I expect us to win. Having seen Idaho play a good ULM team tight on the road, and watching our horrific defense give up 40+ points against probably the worst team in the Big Ten... I still do not expect us to win this game. Don't get me wrong, it's winnable. But ultimately I just can't see our defense being able to stop Idaho's offense -- especially if we are going to be without Currie and/or Celiscar.

This also has me very concerned about the Murray State game, not gonna lie.

It's still very early and we only have a small sample size, but it looks like we are really going to struggle against ANY team with a halfway decent offense. Having said that, I actually think our in-conference schedule sets up better than our out of conference schedule in terms of picking up a few wins against weak offensive teams. So far the only teams I see on our schedule that have "struggling" offenses are Ball State, Ohio, Miami, and EMU.

It's going to be another long year...
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Seriously, you think Ball State has a struggling offense?
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(09-08-2014 06:46 AM)Dirty Ernie Wrote:  Seriously, you think Ball State has a struggling offense?

Pretty one dimensional. A so so QB and a solid RB.
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(09-07-2014 10:56 PM)VandalsInternational Wrote:  I don't know. When you're an Idaho Vandal you kind of get used to the coaching revolving door. I think there was a time we had 5 head coaching changes in the space of 4 or 5 years. Tom Cable, Nick Holt, Dennis Erickson, Rob Akey. You can't really blame them though. Recruiting to Moscow, Idaho is so difficult and a touch market. PAC12 Washington State University is 6 miles away. Then in state you're competing with Boise State University. Then Oregon and Oregon State are around the corner so is the University of Washington—it's touch recruiting in the Northwest so Petrino's familiarity with the region plus his SEC routes have at least expanded our recruitment map significantly. It's just a tough place to coach, recruit. Our indoor stadium is perhaps one of the only selling points. Not weather delays, no cold etc.

I had no idea WSU was 6 miles away. And I thought WMU being in Big 10/ND country was bad. That is a tough recruiting area to be in.
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Quote:Im thinking Idaho is an L. And that was one of my 4 wins in my preseason prediction. Knock that down to 3

Idaho went 1-11 last year. Yes, due to injuries... AND one of the toughest schedules for a mid-major. But with our injuries, and a not-so-easy schedule, it'd be hard to say they were all that much better than us last year.

This year, it comes down to most improved. I think our D is our problem, and our passing game is up in the air but should only improve game by game.

I see the bettors say that it's a toss-up of toilet bowl teams -- advantage home field (2.5).

But if I were running bets, I'd place Idaho -10. Essentially, it'd be like playing Purdue. Yes, point out the CMU game -- but if CMU went to Idaho and did that, would you think "Oh, wow, CMU is going to challenge for the MAC West title now!"? No.

The good thing with a former 1-11 mid-major, even with a decent coach and players back -- they're still figuring things out and this will be only their 2nd game too. Idaho joining the Sun Belt and having an easier schedule than last year should make them a 5 win, maybe 6 win team if things roll their way. But it'll be good to get them early in the season like this.

Chances of Winning: 38%
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