First let me say I was cheering on my conference mates today and I am very impressed with your defense.

This is not meant to be a flame but I have to ask. You have a P5 team coming in that is very beatable, you are coming off a win and you have what could be considered a once in ten year type RB. Where are all the fans?

Don't give me any excuses about being in the club, I was a Buc's season ticket holder for ten years, yes you go into the club section but you eventually come out.

Anyway, your teams looks much better this year.

I'm sick of this question. UCONN, Cincy, & USF are all in a less prestigious conference. Doesn't matter how big the AAC circle jerk is, attendance is gonna go down unless you have something truly amazing to offer in that situation.

I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

Well said Cubanbull

(09-06-2014 06:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

This. Do you need more of an explanation?

(09-06-2014 07:00 PM)MedKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 06:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

This. Do you need more of an explanation?

It might explain it but it's not acceptable. Don't give me the 3:30 stuff, every team deals with that, even in Florida. As for what end we saw on TV, nope, we saw both ends and there were no where near 25,000 fans there, no matter how many they announce. Finally, a fan base is a fan base, you stick with the team no matter what the outcome is. I look no further than South Carolina, back in the 80's they were horrible, they were not an SEC team but an independent but they always sold out their games.

Like I said, I mean no flame I was surprised to see how little there was there. The USF players deserve better than their fans have done.

(09-06-2014 06:13 PM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  First let me say I was cheering on my conference mates today and I am very impressed with your defense.

This is not meant to be a flame but I have to ask. You have a P5 team coming in that is very beatable, you are coming off a win and you have what could be considered a once in ten year type RB. Where are all the fans?

Don't give me any excuses about being in the club, I was a Buc's season ticket holder for ten years, yes you go into the club section but you eventually come out.

Anyway, your teams looks much better this year.

Honestly, I have no freaking idea. I don't live in Tampa anymore. I try to travel in for a game every year, I catch the Bulls on the road. I'd LOVE to be there for these games. Obviously, we've been lousy for 3 years. You know all about Holtz, etc... I don't need to go over that. Well, (also obviously) we're not a historic power that will draw a full stadium no matter what. We're a young program in a big city with a lot of competition for leisure $$... so when we sux people are going elsewhere. When we were winning we drew like crazy, so we CAN draw, but don't yet have the loyalty to draw when we're losing. Hopefully that will change.

I also will assume this is a legit question, which is why I answered... but IIRC you guys also had attendance issues when you were doing poorly, so I really doubt this is unique to USF. But we're mired in it, and you're not, so we have to answer questions like this. If we had managed to knock off the Terps, it would have really helped... but alas, not to be.

(09-06-2014 08:45 PM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 07:00 PM)MedKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 06:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

This. Do you need more of an explanation?

It might explain it but it's not acceptable. Don't give me the 3:30 stuff, every team deals with that, even in Florida. As for what end we saw on TV, nope, we saw both ends and there were no where near 25,000 fans there, no matter how many they announce. Finally, a fan base is a fan base, you stick with the team no matter what the outcome is. I look no further than South Carolina, back in the 80's they were horrible, they were not an SEC team but an independent but they always sold out their games.

Like I said, I mean no flame I was surprised to see how little there was there. The USF players deserve better than their fans have done.

Friend, you sound a bit pissed about this, and we are too... it's starting to sound like a flame, but I'll still assume you're just pissed about what you saw, as are we... All I can say is when SC sucked, then were not a relatively new program. We've been playing for all of about 2 decades, the first half of which was minor league ball that MANY don't pay attention to... It's not an excuse, but you keep asking for an explanation... this is the best I've got.

Also not a flame, but I recall when UCF hosted a CC game at BHNS and didn't sell it out. Dude, this stuff just happens. I'm embarrassed about the crowd, but its up to our new AD and coach to do something about it. And they ARE working on this. Lots of new rallies, student involvement, busses, etc etc planned to get the students onboard. Outside fans will follow. The student section for the FCS game last week was full.

Patience, we have to turn it around on the field first. We did much better today than most thought we'd do... I'm thinking a bowl game might be possible.

(09-06-2014 08:45 PM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 07:00 PM)MedKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 06:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

This. Do you need more of an explanation?

It might explain it but it's not acceptable. Don't give me the 3:30 stuff, every team deals with that, even in Florida. As for what end we saw on TV, nope, we saw both ends and there were no where near 25,000 fans there, no matter how many they announce. Finally, a fan base is a fan base, you stick with the team no matter what the outcome is. I look no further than South Carolina, back in the 80's they were horrible, they were not an SEC team but an independent but they always sold out their games.

Like I said, I mean no flame I was surprised to see how little there was there. The USF players deserve better than their fans have done.

Cuban gave you a legitimate explanation. It all has all to do with three consecutive poor seasons. I don think anyone gives a flying @$&# what you think b/c it's an obvious flame intended or not. The bottom line is that every school goes through these cycles including UCF as recent as two years ago as documented by by he Orlando Sentinel.

Simple take away from the article: 45,000 seats; 10,000 "announced" empty seats add in traditional 15% inflation factor and your barely had 30,000 in your still new stadium against an SEC opponent despite UCF experience a period of success/winning. So again, spare us the sanctimonious lectures. When USF finishes it's turnaround the fanbase will have an opportunity to grow and garner some better support.

Good luck debating the rest of thread with yourself b/c I'm done with it as well...


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UCF offense, fan base fail to show up against Missouri
6:34 p.m. EST, September 29, 2012|Mike Bianchi, SPORTS COMMENTARY
Another day, another disappointment.

Another big game, another close loss.

Another beautiful Orlando day, another 10,000 empty seats at a UCF football game.

Missouri 21, UCF 16.

Read more: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012...cf-offense

(09-06-2014 08:56 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 08:45 PM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 07:00 PM)MedKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 06:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

This. Do you need more of an explanation?

It might explain it but it's not acceptable. Don't give me the 3:30 stuff, every team deals with that, even in Florida. As for what end we saw on TV, nope, we saw both ends and there were no where near 25,000 fans there, no matter how many they announce. Finally, a fan base is a fan base, you stick with the team no matter what the outcome is. I look no further than South Carolina, back in the 80's they were horrible, they were not an SEC team but an independent but they always sold out their games.

Like I said, I mean no flame I was surprised to see how little there was there. The USF players deserve better than their fans have done.

Friend, you sound a bit pissed about this, and we are too... it's starting to sound like a flame, but I'll still assume you're just pissed about what you saw, as are we... All I can say is when SC sucked, then were not a relatively new program. We've been playing for all of about 2 decades, the first half of which was minor league ball that MANY don't pay attention to... It's not an excuse, but you keep asking for an explanation... this is the best I've got.

Also not a flame, but I recall when UCF hosted a CC game at BHNS and didn't sell it out. Dude, this stuff just happens. I'm embarrassed about the crowd, but its up to our new AD and coach to do something about it. And they ARE working on this. Lots of new rallies, student involvement, busses, etc etc planned to get the students onboard. Outside fans will follow. The student section for the FCS game last week was full.

Patience, we have to turn it around on the field first. We did much better today than most thought we'd do... I'm thinking a bowl game might be possible.

I hope this doesn't come across wrong but do you think it's engagement because folks have to travel to Rayjay? Was the student section full like it was the first game? Lastly how many of your alumn stick around? I know for us it's a big number.


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(09-06-2014 08:56 PM)Bull Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 08:45 PM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 07:00 PM)MedKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 06:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

This. Do you need more of an explanation?

It might explain it but it's not acceptable. Don't give me the 3:30 stuff, every team deals with that, even in Florida. As for what end we saw on TV, nope, we saw both ends and there were no where near 25,000 fans there, no matter how many they announce. Finally, a fan base is a fan base, you stick with the team no matter what the outcome is. I look no further than South Carolina, back in the 80's they were horrible, they were not an SEC team but an independent but they always sold out their games.

Like I said, I mean no flame I was surprised to see how little there was there. The USF players deserve better than their fans have done.

Friend, you sound a bit pissed about this, and we are too... it's starting to sound like a flame, but I'll still assume you're just pissed about what you saw, as are we... All I can say is when SC sucked, then were not a relatively new program. We've been playing for all of about 2 decades, the first half of which was minor league ball that MANY don't pay attention to... It's not an excuse, but you keep asking for an explanation... this is the best I've got.

Also not a flame, but I recall when UCF hosted a CC game at BHNS and didn't sell it out. Dude, this stuff just happens. I'm embarrassed about the crowd, but its up to our new AD and coach to do something about it. And they ARE working on this. Lots of new rallies, student involvement, busses, etc etc planned to get the students onboard. Outside fans will follow. The student section for the FCS game last week was full.

Patience, we have to turn it around on the field first. We did much better today than most thought we'd do... I'm thinking a bowl game might be possible.

I am pissed about it, I want this conference to be taken seriously and to have a game on TV at home against a P5 team it looked embarrassing.

Lets not compare this to a CC game where you have six days to sell 45,000K tickets. Remember that UCF did not know it was going to host a CUSA championship game until the day they won the last regular season game.

(09-06-2014 09:36 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 08:45 PM)DiamondKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 07:00 PM)MedKnight Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 06:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

This. Do you need more of an explanation?

It might explain it but it's not acceptable. Don't give me the 3:30 stuff, every team deals with that, even in Florida. As for what end we saw on TV, nope, we saw both ends and there were no where near 25,000 fans there, no matter how many they announce. Finally, a fan base is a fan base, you stick with the team no matter what the outcome is. I look no further than South Carolina, back in the 80's they were horrible, they were not an SEC team but an independent but they always sold out their games.

Like I said, I mean no flame I was surprised to see how little there was there. The USF players deserve better than their fans have done.

Cuban gave you a legitimate explanation. It all has all to do with three consecutive poor seasons. I don think anyone gives a flying @$&# what you think b/c it's an obvious flame intended or not. The bottom line is that every school goes through these cycles including UCF as recent as two years ago as documented by by he Orlando Sentinel.

Simple take away from the article: 45,000 seats; 10,000 "announced" empty seats add in traditional 15% inflation factor and your barely had 30,000 in your still new stadium against an SEC opponent despite UCF experience a period of success/winning. So again, spare us the sanctimonious lectures. When USF finishes it's turnaround the fanbase will have an opportunity to grow and garner some better support.

Good luck debating the rest of thread with yourself b/c I'm done with it as well...


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UCF offense, fan base fail to show up against Missouri
6:34 p.m. EST, September 29, 2012|Mike Bianchi, SPORTS COMMENTARY
Another day, another disappointment.

Another big game, another close loss.

Another beautiful Orlando day, another 10,000 empty seats at a UCF football game.

Missouri 21, UCF 16.

Read more: http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012...cf-offense

35,000 > 15,000

DiamondKnight, just let it go.

What are you trying to prove? USF has had a rough couple of years. You expecting them to sell out their stadium?

(09-06-2014 10:01 PM)MedKnight Wrote:  DiamondKnight, just let it go.

What are you trying to prove? USF has had a rough couple of years. You expecting them to sell out their stadium?

I look at USF as one of the flags of this conference. With their location, student body and large population around their school I do expect them to do better, at least 30,000. I want USF to win, I want all American teams to win. This conference needs butts in the seats and wins. This P5 crap pisses me off.

Diamond knight take a walk.

(09-06-2014 06:23 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  I will answer your question because I hope is not just another UCF attendance smack. After I do I'm done with it.

We have had three losing seasons in a row that has killed much of the fan excitement.
You then add a struggle vs an FCS team in game 1
Add a game scheduled at 3:30 pm in the full heat of Florida and you will get what you saw today. The end that faces the tv is always the least attended and in full sun in afternoon games.
We probably had between 20-25k in actual attendance spread out in stadium.

Attendance will NOT improve dramatically this year. We need to win and build for future years.

Afternoon games will not be attended well in the full heat.

That's it that's my explanation. I'm done and have no interest in debating it.

Good luck to you guys next week in Mizzouri

Sounds reasonable/ Your defense looked very good today... Taggert doesn't appear to be an offensive genius at this point... I was pulling for you guys today and thought your defense would get you the win. Good luck going forward.

On-campus stadium. USF could have committed to it in the late 1990s but Leavitt thought the Bucs' digs would be a good recruiting tool and preferred to work in those trailers on campus. USF built some Greek houses and expanded the softball/baseball complex instead of placing a stadium in Temple Terrace. Shame, too, as that would be a great location to bring people in.

Look, even florida had a rough year and they didn't sell out last year. USF, like a lot of other teams in this conference are still fairly young. When a blue blood program goes the 3+ years with a miserable performance, they can always rely on the rich 60+ year old alums to pack the place. USF, like UCF, uconn, etc don't have that luxury. Maybe after building a brand for 40 years playing at the highest level will fix that.

(09-07-2014 12:28 AM)Jimmy Wrote:  On-campus stadium. USF could have committed to it in the late 1990s but Leavitt thought the Bucs' digs would be a good recruiting tool and preferred to work in those trailers on campus. USF built some Greek houses and expanded the softball/baseball complex instead of placing a stadium in Temple Terrace. Shame, too, as that would be a great location to bring people in.

Agree...and I think more and more USF fans are slowly beginning to realize that ANY on-campus stadium (even if similar to BHNS) would help attract more students to games...which in turn increases the chances that they become alumni season tix holders and/or even boosters.

The comments by a few that only want a $300 Million (probably would cost $400 Million plus in the near future) like what Minnesota or Baylor just put up is just a pipe dream...and that pipe is broken.

USF has to get back to reality...maybe look at how Houston built their new 40,000 seat, $120 Million stadium (even though most seats are bleachers), as they would help them culture a lot new fans vs playing in front of 50,000 empty seats at some off-campus football stadium.

Also, just like almost every other school that has 50-90 plus year old stadiums...they are constantly renovated...but one has to get one built before it can be renovated.

(09-07-2014 08:48 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 12:28 AM)Jimmy Wrote:  On-campus stadium. USF could have committed to it in the late 1990s but Leavitt thought the Bucs' digs would be a good recruiting tool and preferred to work in those trailers on campus. USF built some Greek houses and expanded the softball/baseball complex instead of placing a stadium in Temple Terrace. Shame, too, as that would be a great location to bring people in.

Agree...and I think more and more USF fans are slowly beginning to realize that ANY on-campus stadium (even if similar to BHNS) would help attract more students to games...which in turn increases the chances that they become alumni season tix holders and/or even boosters.

The comments by a few that only want a $300 Million (probably would cost $400 Million plus in the near future) like what Minnesota or Baylor just put up is just a pipe dream...and that pipe is broken.

USF has to get back to reality...maybe look at how Houston built their new 40,000 seat, $120 Million stadium (even though most seats are bleachers), as they would help them culture a lot new fans vs playing in front of 50,000 empty seats at some off-campus football stadium.

Also, just like almost every other school that has 50-90 plus year old stadiums...they are constantly renovated...but one has to get one built before it can be renovated.

to think USF could do a Minnesota stadium is crazy, Minnesota got most of that money from the State, USF can't use public money so they have to raise it on their own. The biggest issue with this is, to do a top notch stadium like Baylor did would mean USF would have to start small and expand. I don't see USF building a 35,000 seat stadium knowing that they will have to expand it two, three times to get it to 70,000ish. The only way I see USF getting a large enough stadium on campus is to accept that they need to go the cheap rout and improve over time.

I hope USF does do this, college football needs to be played on campus.