The game i watched was dominated along the offensive and defensive fronts. Very few QB's would have been able to deliver on time passing with the rush that Mizzou was getting. Toledo will be fine the team needs to continue to develop the secondary as right none that isn't MAC championship caliber

A lot of focus on the offense and drops, over/under throws....I agree, we missed our opportunities...but, how many times did Mauk just chuck one up down field and our guys were in no position to make a play on the ball? Most of those should have been picks or batted down. I know we're down our top 2 at CB, but the guys who are out there playing have seen plenty of PT during their time here. Why has the DB play been consistently below average for years? The kids seem talented? Is it the scheme, poor coaching at the position level, lack of focus....

(09-08-2014 08:43 AM)utrocks84 Wrote:  The game i watched was dominated along the offensive and defensive fronts. Very few QB's would have been able to deliver on time passing with the rush that Mizzou was getting. Toledo will be fine the team needs to continue to develop the secondary as right none that isn't MAC championship caliber

Good points....we had success with short quick strikes in the early stages of the game. Hunt was getting his yards as well. Then, we moved away from what was working and tried to stretch the field. Ely didn't have as much time, was rushed and the rhythm seemed to be lost. We got things rolling again going back to what had worked early in...then Ely got hurt. I think the game may have been a little closer had Ely not gotten injured. Not saying we would have won...we dug a huge hole, but we definitely had some offensive momentum going until Ely was injured.

I think Woodside or Julian will be ok given the reps to improve, but losing Ely will definitely hurt us.

(09-07-2014 10:31 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  northcoast - You bring up the mistakes. How can the offense commit three delay of game penalties, two illegal substitution penalties, and call two timeouts from the sideline just to avoid two more delay of game penalties?? This is the stuff that's supposed to get worked out in camp and in games against the likes of New Hampshire.

On two of the timeouts, there was still 12 and 14 seconds left on the play clock. So there must have been something definitely wrong with the play being called from upstairs.

(09-08-2014 08:43 AM)utrocks84 Wrote:  The game i watched was dominated along the offensive and defensive fronts. Very few QB's would have been able to deliver on time passing with the rush that Mizzou was getting. Toledo will be fine the team needs to continue to develop the secondary as right none that isn't MAC championship caliber

What surprised me was the extent to which UT's veteran O-line was dominated.

Is it actually possible that Missouri was able to anticipate the snap count as some have suggested? After the O-line performance last year (and particularly at Missouri) I didn't think anybody we played this year could handle them the way Missouri did----so if they were able to anticipate the snap it would make a lot of sense, but I don't know if that was really the case or not.

(09-08-2014 08:57 AM)T-Town Wrote:  

(09-08-2014 08:43 AM)utrocks84 Wrote:  The game i watched was dominated along the offensive and defensive fronts. Very few QB's would have been able to deliver on time passing with the rush that Mizzou was getting. Toledo will be fine the team needs to continue to develop the secondary as right none that isn't MAC championship caliber

What surprised me was the extent to which UT's veteran O-line was dominated.

Is it actually possible that Missouri was able to anticipate the snap count as some have suggested? After the O-line performance last year (and particularly at Missouri) I didn't think anybody we played this year could handle them the way Missouri did----so if they were able to anticipate the snap it would make a lot of sense, but I don't know if that was really the case or not.

That's what it looked like. Btw just watched the game again. Mizzou's Center was holding on virtually every play. Somebody needed to send him a message, if the Officials weren't going to call it.

(09-08-2014 06:39 AM)Rocket Pirate Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 09:57 PM)NIU007 Wrote:  I can't speak to the other stuff but unless Toledo fans were expecting to be a ranked team this year a loss to Missouri would be expected. They're very tough and have been tough consistently. It's almost as bad as us playing Presbyterian College in figuring out just how good the team is. I think it's going to take another game to see where the Toledo team stands. And a lot of teams are still working out the kinks in their game.

It's not just the loss, it's getting destroyed. I wasn't expecting a win on Saturday, but I was expecting a good performance.

Our coaches brag every year about winning the recruiting game and all this talent on the team. Fans are getting tired of waiting for the talent to materialize. Winning the offseason every year since Beckman got hired has done little in the standings. If you supposedly have that much talent for that many years in the MAC, winning something as simple as the division at least once in six seasons is not unreasonable.

Didn't know that. I can see where at this point you have to wonder about the coaching.

It sounds like Toledo did a bunch of stuff that can get cleaned up. NIU's game against NU looked like a pillow fight in the first half, we had a bunch of penalties and badly missed throws, and a few drops, and another short missed FG and extra point. If we did that against Missouri we would have been crushed as well.

It is too early to tell in the season. I hated watching the Rockets lose. I always do, but let's consider this:

Mizzu is an SEC team and regularly gets recruits rated higher than Toledo. They finished in the top of their SEC division last year. Obviously, they have some good athletes.

Their coach was our all-time winning-est coach with another 10+ years of experience. We know he is good. Unless we are now saying Cambell at this stage of his career is already better than Pinkle, he should have been out coached in this game. Last week against UNH the coaching staff made adjustments at the half to win the game. Pinkle adjusted his team better in the 2nd half. Out coached by a very capable seasoned coach.

Let's not forget, football is a game that comes down to just a few key plays as to who wins the game. Momentum is huge in a physical sport like football. They didn't go in our favor this game. I don't think any of them did. Any time we gained momentum, we lost it shortly after. That being said, I thought the team continued to battle with heart.

We are always harping on the D backs the last few years. What I noticed about this game that struck me was on quite a few of their momentum building plays, Mauk had the speed to stay alive, out running out 3 down linemen to the corner. At that point the DB's had to either commit to coverage or to the runner turning the corner. If they wait to break out of coverage until he crosses the LOS, he gains more yardage but we don't give up a few key plays that he made. We are working with injuries back there and some of the younger guys need to do a better job of staying home just a little longer. We have some good players on the D line, but they were just a little too slow against Mizzu.

Yes, we all want to get back to winning the MACC every year. If we aren't in the position for at least a share of the MAC West crown at the end of this season, I think we can start talking about stagnation, but given the early season injuries, it is too early to say that we are regressing.

South Dakota St played them better than we did. I don't see the sugar coating. As has been clearly noted, it took about two plays for a college player to figure out our snaps.

That's f-in STUPID on our coaches. How is there any other way to interpret that? Last year and the year before we could not run plays before the D knew what they were. This year they send signed post cards to the D. Seriously? This problem goes a bit beyond lack of experience, doesn't it?

If they cannot communicate the offense without giving it away, then slow the damn offense up and use runners to carry the message.

(09-08-2014 06:22 PM)eastisbest Wrote:  South Dakota St played them better than we did. I don't see the sugar coating. As has been clearly noted, it took about two plays for a college player to figure out our snaps.

That's f-in STUPID on our coaches. How is there any other way to interpret that? Last year and the year before we could not run plays before the D knew what they were. This year they send signed post cards to the D. Seriously? This problem goes a bit beyond lack of experience, doesn't it?

If they cannot communicate the offense without giving it away, then slow the damn offense up and use runners to carry the message.