(09-06-2014 02:22 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 02:17 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 09:15 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The liberal view on guncontrol gets wildly distorted. Most liberals don't want a wild free for all where guns are readily available to anyone and everyone (including mentally disturbed or violent criminals). Most want a system that is regulated, where nonviolent gun offenders can have their guns and where tracking weapons becomes much easier. To want sensible regulation is not to be against guns.
BTW nothing has been done or will be attempted to be done on gun control by Obama and the democrats. I said before Obama was first elected. It simply is not a democratic priority as there are bigger problems. That said, effective gun regulation will help police officers, make tracking criminal gun use easier and liberals support it. It's a huge myth that liberals want to take your guns. That's a small minority of extremists.
Discussions on gun issues are far more nuanced than hard core gun nuts want to make it out to be. If you want to discuss the viability of regulating assault weapons or the need for background checks and registration, fine, but to act like there are widespread policies with any propensity for taking everyone's guns is a false argument.

BS.
If you believe that, you need to buy some beachfront property in Montana.

He's right...there is a realm of common sense between: Guns for everyone, and Guns for no one.

But he's wrong if he thinks that's where the anti-gun group wants to go.

(09-06-2014 09:15 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The liberal view on guncontrol gets wildly distorted. Most liberals don't want a wild free for all where guns are readily available to anyone and everyone (including mentally disturbed or violent criminals). Most want a system that is regulated, where nonviolent gun offenders can have their guns and where tracking weapons becomes much easier. To want sensible regulation is not to be against guns.

BTW nothing has been done or will be attempted to be done on gun control by Obama and the democrats. I said before Obama was first elected. It simply is not a democratic priority as there are bigger problems. That said, effective gun regulation will help police officers, make tracking criminal gun use easier and liberals support it. It's a huge myth that liberals want to take your guns. That's a small minority of extremists.

Discussions on gun issues are far more nuanced than hard core gun nuts want to make it out to be. If you want to discuss the viability of regulating assault weapons or the need for background checks and registration, fine, but to act like there are widespread policies with any propensity for taking everyone's guns is a false argument.

Really?

Quote:"If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!"

- Diane Feinstein

Quote:Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.

- Joe Biden

Quote:We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime.

- Mary Ann Carlson VT State Senator

Quote:And we should -- then every community in the country could then start doing major weapon sweeps and then destroying the weapons, not selling them.

- Bill Clinton

Quote:Guns have a place in the theater of war, they have no place out on the streets.

- former California Gov Gray Davis

Quote:You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state.

- former dim Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis

Quote:Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe.

- Diane Feinstein

Quote:If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.

- Diane Feinstein

Quote:I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns.

- Howard Metzenbaum

Quote:What good does it do to ban some guns? All guns should be banned.

- Howard Metzenbaum

Quote:Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.

- Janet Reno

Quote:If it were up to me we'd ban them all.

-Melvin Reynolds former dim Congressman from Illinois

Quote:We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!

- Charles Schurmer



Now tell me the fairy tale about how the leftists don't want to ban guns again.

(09-06-2014 05:15 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 09:15 AM)bearcatmark Wrote:  The liberal view on guncontrol gets wildly distorted. Most liberals don't want a wild free for all where guns are readily available to anyone and everyone (including mentally disturbed or violent criminals). Most want a system that is regulated, where nonviolent gun offenders can have their guns and where tracking weapons becomes much easier. To want sensible regulation is not to be against guns.

BTW nothing has been done or will be attempted to be done on gun control by Obama and the democrats. I said before Obama was first elected. It simply is not a democratic priority as there are bigger problems. That said, effective gun regulation will help police officers, make tracking criminal gun use easier and liberals support it. It's a huge myth that liberals want to take your guns. That's a small minority of extremists.

Discussions on gun issues are far more nuanced than hard core gun nuts want to make it out to be. If you want to discuss the viability of regulating assault weapons or the need for background checks and registration, fine, but to act like there are widespread policies with any propensity for taking everyone's guns is a false argument.

Really?

Quote:"If I could have banned them all - 'Mr. and Mrs. America turn in your guns' - I would have!"

- Diane Feinstein

Quote:Banning guns is an idea whose time has come.

- Joe Biden

Quote:We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime.

- Mary Ann Carlson VT State Senator

Quote:And we should -- then every community in the country could then start doing major weapon sweeps and then destroying the weapons, not selling them.

- Bill Clinton

Quote:Guns have a place in the theater of war, they have no place out on the streets.

- former California Gov Gray Davis

Quote:You know I don't believe in people owning guns, only the police and military. And I'm going to do everything I can to disarm this state.

- former dim Presidential candidate Michael Dukakis

Quote:Banning guns addresses a fundamental right of Americans to feel safe.

- Diane Feinstein

Quote:If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States for an outright ban, picking up every one of them ... "Mr. and Mrs. America, turn 'em all in," I would have done it. I could not do that. The votes weren't here.

- Diane Feinstein

Quote:I don't care about crime, I just want to get the guns.

- Howard Metzenbaum

Quote:What good does it do to ban some guns? All guns should be banned.

- Howard Metzenbaum

Quote:Waiting periods are only a step. Registration is only a step. The prohibition of private firearms is the goal.

- Janet Reno

Quote:If it were up to me we'd ban them all.

-Melvin Reynolds former dim Congressman from Illinois

Quote:We're going to hammer guns on the anvil of relentless legislative strategy! We're going to beat guns into submission!

- Charles Schumer a.k.a. Chuck-U Schumer



Now tell me the fairy tale about how the leftists don't want to ban guns again.

Had to add a Chuck-U to this brilliant post.

(09-05-2014 05:12 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  Yes, I support an assault style weapons ban, and magazine limits...just like the Federal Courts upheld in Conn, and just like a majority of Americans favor.

Serous question... Why? You say it's not because of mass shootings, so why do you want to ban them? Simply because you can?

You claim that the majority of Americans want them banned, yet I guess you believe that politicians, even in California are unaware of this? Or does the lack of guns mean you also lack political will and/or money?

I DO want to know your opinion, and in order to save time... as opposed to trying to convince you... I'll state mine.

First, I'm of the opinion that those who are actually against assault-style weapons (as opposed to merely not wanting one themselves) are a minority of this country... and not anywhere NEAR the majority you claim... You need to look at the actual questions being asked in those polls and not merely the 'headline'. Second, I'm of the opinion that a solid number of those who are actually against them are a) misinformed about what they are against and/or b) would have a different opinion if they knew that banning semi-automatic weapons (as proposed by people like Feinstein who have actually put proposals forward) would ban the majority of hand guns and shot guns.

I think if people knew that something like 13,700 of the gun deaths in this country were the result of small arms, and 300 were the result of rifles of ANY kind (meaning that only a fraction of 300 are committed with assault-style weapons or rifles with a magazine) that we would stop talking about assault weapons. In fact, about the same number of people are killed by shotguns.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/cri...8-2012.xls

(09-06-2014 05:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

Quote:We must be able to arrest people before they commit crimes. By registering guns and knowing who has them we can do that... If they have guns they are pretty likely to commit a crime.

- Mary Ann Carlson VT State Senator

What an extremist nutjob. #fuqdueprocess

(09-06-2014 12:41 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 12:38 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 12:24 AM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 12:18 AM)Kronke Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 12:16 AM)smn1256 Wrote:  Maybe for you, but for others it could mean their life and not just a few bucks.

Or his life, even.

I'm not against people owning handguns, but Im glad TN requires a permit to carry.

Do criminals in TN get permits?

do they have a clean background, and the money to pay for classes and processing?

(09-06-2014 01:21 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  A question for Fit,

What guns would you ban?


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I'm not for banning guns. Are you dyslexic?

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So you're good with the current laws? You have no any issue with any type of firearm? I'm curious on your opinion.


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Dimocrats should worry more about stopping people from driving and texting/talking on their phones. More people die from this than guns. If it was just the culprit it would be justified as they know better but they always have to kill someone else, like in drunk driving.

I'm of the thought that if the people don't have arms the government can impose their will (1984) on the people. Remember we have a president with his lackies that resemble communists/socialist than anything.

And who would stop them.

(09-07-2014 05:16 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  So you're good with the current laws? You have no any issue with any type of firearm? I'm curious on your opinion.


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I don't think banning more guns is the answer.

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(09-07-2014 05:48 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(09-07-2014 05:16 PM)South Carolina Duke Wrote:  So you're good with the current laws? You have no any issue with any type of firearm? I'm curious on your opinion.


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I don't think banning more guns is the answer.

nuff said