http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

I question the credibility of any list that would make mistakes like "Virginia Tech University".

(09-04-2014 01:27 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

I question the credibility of any list that would make mistakes like "Virginia Tech University".

The numbers come from the reports to the US Department of Education. http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.aspx

maybe he couldn't fit?

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

Seems about right. Surprised no Clemson though?

FSU doesn't have to travel all that far to recruit and much of the talent is in-state. So recruiting trips aren't as expensive for coaches or recruits (officials) and tuition isn't typically high.

A school like ND who MUST recruit nationally and has higher tuition as a private school will spend more on football. But maybe that's all spelled out in the link (didn't click it).

(09-04-2014 01:40 PM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  maybe he couldn't fit?

Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University

Virginia Tech would have fit though.

It'd be analogous putting "Pitt University"

Who cares? When your school has a funny name this stuff happens.

This list would be way more meaningful if they took tuition out.

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

For the state schools it really shows how much these are investing in the football program. For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates which is much higher than state schools.

It's amazing that we didn't see the rest of the ACC teams, ( I get it that the private schools don't have to report (ie. Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse), but look ND was transparent.

(09-04-2014 03:30 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

For the state schools it really shows how much these are investing in the football program. For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates which is much higher than state schools.

It's amazing that we didn't see the rest of the ACC teams, ( I get it that the private schools don't have to report (ie. Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse), but look ND was transparent.

"For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates..." Yeah, but they pay themselves. It's like using your right hand to pay your left hand, and then your left hand to "subsidize" your right hand by paying the money back.

The big story is Auburn and Alabama being #1 and #2, despite being public and in Alabama.

(09-04-2014 03:30 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

For the state schools it really shows how much these are investing in the football program. For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates which is much higher than state schools.

It's amazing that we didn't see the rest of the ACC teams, ( I get it that the private schools don't have to report (ie. Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse), but look ND was transparent.

Since it's only the top 25 it's not that amazing. Also, EVERY SCHOOLS reports these figures to the Feds each year. It's all available online at http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/ .

(09-04-2014 03:16 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  This list would be way more meaningful if they took tuition out.

Athletically Related Student Aid, Men's Teams

FSU: $5.3M
Miami: $8.5M
ND: $11.0M

(09-04-2014 01:27 PM)4x4hokies Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

I question the credibility of any list that would make mistakes like "Virginia Tech University".

LOL. Well the word "University" is in your official name and you are a university. GT gets called Georgia Tech University all the time and it's not in our name nor are we a university.

(09-04-2014 03:47 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 03:30 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

For the state schools it really shows how much these are investing in the football program. For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates which is much higher than state schools.

It's amazing that we didn't see the rest of the ACC teams, ( I get it that the private schools don't have to report (ie. Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse), but look ND was transparent.

"For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates..." Yeah, but they pay themselves. It's like using your right hand to pay your left hand, and then your left hand to "subsidize" your right hand by paying the money back.

The big story is Auburn and Alabama being #1 and #2, despite being public and in Alabama.

alabama or auburn played in the last 5 and won 4 national championships, not hard to understand.

This syracuse man understood it

Bud Polquin

(09-04-2014 06:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 03:47 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 03:30 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

For the state schools it really shows how much these are investing in the football program. For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates which is much higher than state schools.

It's amazing that we didn't see the rest of the ACC teams, ( I get it that the private schools don't have to report (ie. Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse), but look ND was transparent.

"For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates..." Yeah, but they pay themselves. It's like using your right hand to pay your left hand, and then your left hand to "subsidize" your right hand by paying the money back.

The big story is Auburn and Alabama being #1 and #2, despite being public and in Alabama.

alabama or auburn played in the last 5 and won 4 national championships, not hard to understand.

This syracuse man understood it

Bud Polquin

You had credibility until you linked a Bud Poliquin article. You made a fair point, but you lose all arguments by linking Bud Poliquin, even if he gets something right.

(09-04-2014 03:30 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

For the state schools it really shows how much these are investing in the football program. For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates which is much higher than state schools.

It's amazing that we didn't see the rest of the ACC teams, ( I get it that the private schools don't have to report (ie. Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse), but look ND was transparent.

It's all right here: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.aspx

Duke $24.6 million
Syracuse $22.6 million
BC $19.7 million
Miami $19.2 million
Pitt $18.9 million
WF $14 million

(09-04-2014 03:30 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

For the state schools it really shows how much these are investing in the football program. For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates which is much higher than state schools.

It's amazing that we didn't see the rest of the ACC teams, ( I get it that the private schools don't have to report (ie. Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse), but look ND was transparent.

It's all right here: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.aspx

Duke $19.2 million
Syracuse $22.6 million
BC $19.7 million
Miami $24.6 million
Pitt $18.9 million
WF $14 million
Clemson $ 20 million
UNC $16 million
NCSU $ 18.4 million
UVA $21.4 million

(09-04-2014 08:25 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 03:30 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

For the state schools it really shows how much these are investing in the football program. For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates which is much higher than state schools.

It's amazing that we didn't see the rest of the ACC teams, ( I get it that the private schools don't have to report (ie. Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse), but look ND was transparent.

It's all right here: http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/InstList.aspx

Duke $19.2 million
Syracuse $22.6 million
BC $19.7 million
Miami $24.6 million
Pitt $18.9 million
WF $14 million
Clemson $ 20 million
UNC $16 million
NCSU $ 18.4 million
UVA $21.4 million

The UNC number is unbelievably low. I have a hard time believing there's uniform accounting here. I've said it before. I don't trust anybody's numbers. There's too much temptation to "adjust" the numbers to make it appear that spending is higher or lower than it is.

(09-04-2014 06:48 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 03:47 PM)nzmorange Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 03:30 PM)Fburghokie Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:59 PM)EnterSandman Wrote:  http://www.bizjournals.com/memphis/gallery/74141?r=full

03.) University of Notre Dame - $32,373,258
15.) University of Miami - $24,672,810
16.) Virginia Tech University - $24,596,694
20.) Florida State University - $23,427,950
21.) University of Louisville - $23,186,536

For the state schools it really shows how much these are investing in the football program. For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates which is much higher than state schools.

It's amazing that we didn't see the rest of the ACC teams, ( I get it that the private schools don't have to report (ie. Duke, Wake, BC and Syracuse), but look ND was transparent.

"For ND and Miami, its much tougher, they have to pay for private tuition rates..." Yeah, but they pay themselves. It's like using your right hand to pay your left hand, and then your left hand to "subsidize" your right hand by paying the money back.

The big story is Auburn and Alabama being #1 and #2, despite being public and in Alabama.

alabama or auburn played in the last 5 and won 4 national championships, not hard to understand.

This syracuse man understood it

Bud Polquin

That's kind of my point. They are in a league of their own.

Spending that much despite being public and in Alabama is like being the tallest person at a giant's convention. It is absolutely amazing how much more serious they are than everyone else. That explains the almost yearly stupidity (killings, poisoning trees, etc.) that surrounds the Iron Bowl. They go to work when everyone else goes to play.

I am impressed there are 4 ACC in the top 4.


Also concerned that with some of the VERY wealthy schools we have in the ACC.....too many of those aren't up there.



Regardless, the ACC needs to double down on football or it won't last as a conference.