The unofficial online home for fans of the UAB Blazers. Part of Collegiate Sports Nation (CSN).

After watching what a real offensive playbook looks like Saturday, maybe Austin's poor decision making and propensity for interceptions had more to do with the playbook than his ability as a quarterback. McGee's offense seems pretty simple and vanilla in hindsight. Maybe it was extremely easy to figure out and Austin had to force throws because people weren't open that often. I feel like if he had all the misdirections and different formations on his side, he would have been more successful.

JP's relative success might have been due to people having to respect him as a run threat.

Smart football people with better memories than mine: Thoughts?

I try not to think about what might have been, cause that was then & we have taken different roads.

For a professed quarterback guru, I've never seen more poorly coached quarterbacks.

McGee did both Brown and Perry a disservice. I can't believe Petrino lets him anywhere near his QBs.

Oh, wait. He doesn't.

I always thought the fan base was too hard on Brown. He was a solid qb, he just wasn't JOe Webb, which hurt him when it came to expectations. McGee did neither of the qbs any favors the past two years though.

I'm also not sure why people say JP was more successful than Brown, because the numbers really don't back that up.

(09-04-2014 08:19 AM)the_blazerman Wrote:  I try not to think about what might have been, cause that was then & we have taken different roads.

We can't go back again, There's no use giving in, And there's no way to know, What might have been

I think we can rethink pretty much every player's tenure that played under McGee, even the ones that are still here on the team.

Would a player not have moved from one side of the ball to the other, only to return back to that same side?
Would someone not have received an injury that ended their career?
Would someone have transferred in that would not have otherwise?

Brown took way to much grief. He worked hard and was a solid QB. Would probably have succeeded under Clark. I'm very happy he landed on his feet with a starting job else where and I'll be keeping tabs on him. Perry always had a short leash with McGee because he was viewed as one of Neil's guys. I personally think McGee WANTED Perry to rebel and throw him off the team to make an example of him. Always had that feel. Perry was the bigger man and didn't take the bait which (in my opinion) led to the dismissal of Jackie Williams who was fed up with McGee and started acting out on it. I'll always believe McGee wanted to make an example of one of Neil's players. Callaway might not have been the long term answer for the program (he did make some much needed changes) but his players would have run through a wall for the guy and McGee seemed to not like that. Probably because his players wouldn't fight out of a wet paper bag for him. We will never know how some players would have looked because McGee's team flat out quit on him.

(09-04-2014 10:17 AM)stc Wrote:  Brown took way to much grief. He worked hard and was a solid QB. Would probably have succeeded under Clark. I'm very happy he landed on his feet with a starting job else where and I'll be keeping tabs on him. Perry always had a short leash with McGee because he was viewed as one of Neil's guys. I personally think McGee WANTED Perry to rebel and throw him off the team to make an example of him. Always had that feel. Perry was the bigger man and didn't take the bait which (in my opinion) led to the dismissal of Jackie Williams who was fed up with McGee and started acting out on it. I'll always believe McGee wanted to make an example of one of Neil's players. Callaway might not have been the long term answer for the program (he did make some much needed changes) but his players would have run through a wall for the guy and McGee seemed to not like that. Probably because his players wouldn't fight out of a wet paper bag for him. We will never know how some players would have looked because McGee's team flat out quit on him.

Never been a truer statement. The way the players were treated when Callaway was there was so much better than McGee.

The senior banquets under Callaway's tenure were all very nice for the seniors. They got there jersey framed in a nice Shadow box with a nice photo and plaque.

With McGee the players got a cheap dollar store plastic frame with a picture.

(09-04-2014 09:36 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  I'm also not sure why people say JP was more successful than Brown, because the numbers really don't back that up.

I felt like we played better when JP was in there. We definitely looked better, and he didn't turn the ball over as much.

I always felt like Austin had the potential to be great. He just threw ridiculous amounts of interceptions and was a sitting duck for blitzes. Some of the interceptions were embarrassing too. I remember several that I could tell would be picked off well before they got to their intended target. I even had time to get my expletives out before the ball got to the DB.

However, I'm wondering if Austin was just in a bad system and coached poorly. If no one is open because it's a bad offense, the quarterback can't help that. For some reason, that never occurred to me at the time. I guess I wanted to believe it was a simple fix, rather than needing to change coaching staffs.

(09-04-2014 10:17 AM)stc Wrote:  Brown took way to much grief. He worked hard and was a solid QB. Would probably have succeeded under Clark. I'm very happy he landed on his feet with a starting job else where and I'll be keeping tabs on him. Perry always had a short leash with McGee because he was viewed as one of Neil's guys. I personally think McGee WANTED Perry to rebel and throw him off the team to make an example of him. Always had that feel. Perry was the bigger man and didn't take the bait which (in my opinion) led to the dismissal of Jackie Williams who was fed up with McGee and started acting out on it. I'll always believe McGee wanted to make an example of one of Neil's players. Callaway might not have been the long term answer for the program (he did make some much needed changes) but his players would have run through a wall for the guy and McGee seemed to not like that. Probably because his players wouldn't fight out of a wet paper bag for him. We will never know how some players would have looked because McGee's team flat out quit on him.

I'm old enough to remember a coach at Bama sitting his senior QB in favor of a new guy. That coach's record was very similar to that of McGee over his two years. The youngster was Albert Elmore and the senior was Bart Starr. Which name would most remember?

Always have to tie it in to roll tide somehow.

Brown had 9 tds and 3 ints last year.
Perry had 10 and 6.

The guys who loved perry remember what they want to. Brown three more picks his first season but they were pretty much on par with Perry's six in 174 attempts.(12 in 355).

It was obvious as hell to me that McGee was lost early on, but removing Austin after a near perfect first two drives against Troy last year set the tone for our season. We never had a chance after that.

(09-04-2014 11:54 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Brown had 9 tds and 3 ints last year.

It seemed more like 20.

I have moved on. My team is on the field. I hope Brown takes them to the playoffs and does well.

(09-04-2014 11:59 AM)thebernreuter Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 11:54 AM)blazers9911 Wrote:  Brown had 9 tds and 3 ints last year.

It seemed more like 20.

Dude threw a 3:1 touchdown:pick ratio.

There's not a coach on earth who wouldn't take that.

Okay, one. And he coached here last year.

(09-04-2014 10:33 AM)DragonLair Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 10:17 AM)stc Wrote:  Brown took way to much grief. He worked hard and was a solid QB. Would probably have succeeded under Clark. I'm very happy he landed on his feet with a starting job else where and I'll be keeping tabs on him. Perry always had a short leash with McGee because he was viewed as one of Neil's guys. I personally think McGee WANTED Perry to rebel and throw him off the team to make an example of him. Always had that feel. Perry was the bigger man and didn't take the bait which (in my opinion) led to the dismissal of Jackie Williams who was fed up with McGee and started acting out on it. I'll always believe McGee wanted to make an example of one of Neil's players. Callaway might not have been the long term answer for the program (he did make some much needed changes) but his players would have run through a wall for the guy and McGee seemed to not like that. Probably because his players wouldn't fight out of a wet paper bag for him. We will never know how some players would have looked because McGee's team flat out quit on him.

Never been a truer statement. The way the players were treated when Callaway was there was so much better than McGee.

The senior banquets under Callaway's tenure were all very nice for the seniors. They got there jersey framed in a nice Shadow box with a nice photo and plaque.

With McGee the players got a cheap dollar store plastic frame with a picture.

Excuse me...this last group of seniors didn't get squat! And while I despise McGee for bailing on the seniors I hold Mackin in equal low esteem. He could have done something...anything...to recognize what that bunch had gone through over the last 4 years! Instead he didn't do anything and was content to stand back and make out like it was McGee's fault. Very classless on his part!

(09-04-2014 12:05 PM)Puff Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 10:33 AM)DragonLair Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 10:17 AM)stc Wrote:  Brown took way to much grief. He worked hard and was a solid QB. Would probably have succeeded under Clark. I'm very happy he landed on his feet with a starting job else where and I'll be keeping tabs on him. Perry always had a short leash with McGee because he was viewed as one of Neil's guys. I personally think McGee WANTED Perry to rebel and throw him off the team to make an example of him. Always had that feel. Perry was the bigger man and didn't take the bait which (in my opinion) led to the dismissal of Jackie Williams who was fed up with McGee and started acting out on it. I'll always believe McGee wanted to make an example of one of Neil's players. Callaway might not have been the long term answer for the program (he did make some much needed changes) but his players would have run through a wall for the guy and McGee seemed to not like that. Probably because his players wouldn't fight out of a wet paper bag for him. We will never know how some players would have looked because McGee's team flat out quit on him.

Never been a truer statement. The way the players were treated when Callaway was there was so much better than McGee.

The senior banquets under Callaway's tenure were all very nice for the seniors. They got there jersey framed in a nice Shadow box with a nice photo and plaque.

With McGee the players got a cheap dollar store plastic frame with a picture.

Excuse me...this last group of seniors didn't get squat! And while I despise McGee for bailing on the seniors I hold Mackin in equal low esteem. He could have done something...anything...to recognize what that bunch had gone through over the last 4 years! Instead he didn't do anything and was content to stand back and make out like it was McGee's fault. Very classless on his part!

Thats very true, i was talking about my own experience. what a dick move!

(09-04-2014 12:06 PM)DragonLair Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 12:05 PM)Puff Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 10:33 AM)DragonLair Wrote:  

(09-04-2014 10:17 AM)stc Wrote:  Brown took way to much grief. He worked hard and was a solid QB. Would probably have succeeded under Clark. I'm very happy he landed on his feet with a starting job else where and I'll be keeping tabs on him. Perry always had a short leash with McGee because he was viewed as one of Neil's guys. I personally think McGee WANTED Perry to rebel and throw him off the team to make an example of him. Always had that feel. Perry was the bigger man and didn't take the bait which (in my opinion) led to the dismissal of Jackie Williams who was fed up with McGee and started acting out on it. I'll always believe McGee wanted to make an example of one of Neil's players. Callaway might not have been the long term answer for the program (he did make some much needed changes) but his players would have run through a wall for the guy and McGee seemed to not like that. Probably because his players wouldn't fight out of a wet paper bag for him. We will never know how some players would have looked because McGee's team flat out quit on him.

Never been a truer statement. The way the players were treated when Callaway was there was so much better than McGee.

The senior banquets under Callaway's tenure were all very nice for the seniors. They got there jersey framed in a nice Shadow box with a nice photo and plaque.

With McGee the players got a cheap dollar store plastic frame with a picture.

Excuse me...this last group of seniors didn't get squat! And while I despise McGee for bailing on the seniors I hold Mackin in equal low esteem. He could have done something...anything...to recognize what that bunch had gone through over the last 4 years! Instead he didn't do anything and was content to stand back and make out like it was McGee's fault. Very classless on his part!

Thats very true, i was talking about my own experience. what a dick move!

Last year's seniors deserved so much better.....

(09-04-2014 12:00 PM)ATTALLABLAZE Wrote:  I have moved on. My team is on the field. I hope Brown takes them to the playoffs and does well.

My team is on the field too, but I still hold resentment. My team with players who wore the green and gold proudly were on the field last year too. Guys like Connor Boyett who's family picked me up when I was lost in Gainesville Florida and helped me find my car. Guys like JP who never quit giving 100% for UAB when a lot of people would have quit. Austin Brown who was given a bad system and then blamed by the coach for every mistake. Or even a guy like DJ Vinson who was forgotten and given up on until a new staff got here. He still went through two years of hell. I'm 100% behind Bill Clark and these Blazers. I know I can't change the past, but I don't have to feel good about the way young student athletes were treated that did all the right things for my school. Just my opinion.

(09-04-2014 12:32 PM)stc Wrote:  Or even a guy like DJ Vinson who was forgotten and given up on until a new staff got here. He still went through two years of hell.

Yeah how about that story line? His first game as a running back and he is one of two that went for over 100 yards. That's two coaches that had him at the wrong position.