(09-04-2014 11:37 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 06:06 PM)NYJMUPIKE Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 05:57 PM)Dukester Wrote:  In his play-calling debut, Mehringer — a native of Arlington, Texas, who played quarterback at Rice University — said the game day setup with the young coaching staff went well, it was the execution from the players that was lacking.

About what you'd expect from a 26 year old OC. Too young to realize that even if it is the players' fault, you never actually say that.

:hissyfit:

Horse hockey. Call it like you see it. If the kid screwed up, then tell the kid "you screwed up". Publicly or privately, who cares?

You don't think his dope smokin xbox playing roomates can see the obvious? No problem with what the Coach has said and the sooner the player and others get over this idea that all these knuckleheads are All Americans, the better off they and we will be.
They didn't all deserve trophies then, they most certainly don't deserve them now.

Suck it up.

Then no players will respect you. No onelikegetting thrown under the bus. Players are more important to the game than coaches , you lose them you lose your program.

Hard to qualify that semi-quote as "under the bus"...not the best statement, its on point though...but when in doubt, coaches should jump on the grenade.

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(09-04-2014 11:46 PM)Hotrod829 Wrote:  Players are more important to the game than coaches , you lose them you lose your program.

Truth! A good coach will recognize this and recognize it early.

That was nowhere near a quote, people. Could have easily gone like this:

Reporter: "Drew, Drew, how was your first go of it as an o-coordinator?"

Drew: "Man, it was frustrating. It was a frustrating performance. Maryland is a really good football team, obviously didnt get the result we wanted. I think the coaching staff did a pretty good job of putting together a gameplan and calling plays. But we need to get better. We were all hard on ourselves this week and our kids have responded"

Reporter: "So it the reason for the loss was the players' execution?"

Drew: "Gosh, Maryland is a good football team, they are B1G/FBS, you know. I felt like we were well-prepared, staff did a good job, their players just beat our players. Plain and simple. Its frustrating to lose 52-7"

You could easily take that non-quote, from the pseudo-discussion above. And I dont think the discussion above sounds like throwing players under the bus. Was there another "quote" that was more severe somewhere?

I don't think so.....and I don't think it is throwing anyone under the bus when after losing 52-7 it is said that the execution needs to be better. And who does the execution ---- that's right the players.

I don't think the coaching staff told the punt coverage team to go out there and hit a guy signaling a fair catch on back to back punts. I don't think the coaching staff practiced and instructed the center to consistently snap the ball 2-3 feet high all game long. I don't think the coaching staff instructed the players to miss tackles throughout the game.

These 3 glaring examples are all on the execution end and fall squarely on the young men wearing helmets and pads. Coaches can coach and prepare but they cannot play the game for them and cannot make a single tackle.

There was no glaring criticism of any individual player (outside of Vad by the staff) that did not seem reasonable. They are big boys they now they made quite a few mistakes and the player interviews I have seen call out the same execution items.

(09-05-2014 10:16 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  That was nowhere near a quote, people. Could have easily gone like this:

Reporter: "Drew, Drew, how was your first go of it as an o-coordinator?"

Drew: "Man, it was frustrating. It was a frustrating performance. Maryland is a really good football team, obviously didnt get the result we wanted. I think the coaching staff did a pretty good job of putting together a gameplan and calling plays. But we need to get better. We were all hard on ourselves this week and our kids have responded"

Reporter: "So it the reason for the loss was the players' execution?"

Drew: "Gosh, Maryland is a good football team, they are B1G/FBS, you know. I felt like we were well-prepared, staff did a good job, their players just beat our players. Plain and simple. Its frustrating to lose 52-7"

You could easily take that non-quote, from the pseudo-discussion above. And I dont think the discussion above sounds like throwing players under the bus. Was there another "quote" that was more severe somewhere?

Thank you. If it were a quote OK, otherwise...

(09-05-2014 10:57 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I don't think so.....and I don't think it is throwing anyone under the bus when after losing 52-7 it is said that the execution needs to be better. And who does the execution ---- that's right the players.

I don't think the coaching staff told the punt coverage team to go out there and hit a guy signaling a fair catch on back to back punts. I don't think the coaching staff practiced and instructed the center to consistently snap the ball 2-3 feet high all game long. I don't think the coaching staff instructed the players to miss tackles throughout the game.

These 3 glaring examples are all on the execution end and fall squarely on the young men wearing helmets and pads. Coaches can coach and prepare but they cannot play the game for them and cannot make a single tackle.

There was no glaring criticism of any individual player (outside of Vad by the staff) that did not seem reasonable. They are big boys they now they made quite a few mistakes and the player interviews I have seen call out the same execution items.

Remember the post game presser by coach gundy of ok state. Players like that , critque belongs in thefilm room. Execution can be a reflection of coaching.

Actually quite the contrary in the Gundy case.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3341578

(09-05-2014 10:57 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I don't think so.....and I don't think it is throwing anyone under the bus when after losing 52-7 it is said that the execution needs to be better. And who does the execution ---- that's right the players.

I don't think the coaching staff told the punt coverage team to go out there and hit a guy signaling a fair catch on back to back punts. I don't think the coaching staff practiced and instructed the center to consistently snap the ball 2-3 feet high all game long. I don't think the coaching staff instructed the players to miss tackles throughout the game.

These 3 glaring examples are all on the execution end and fall squarely on the young men wearing helmets and pads. Coaches can coach and prepare but they cannot play the game for them and cannot make a single tackle.

There was no glaring criticism of any individual player (outside of Vad by the staff) that did not seem reasonable. They are big boys they now they made quite a few mistakes and the player interviews I have seen call out the same execution items.

There ya go.

If the gameplan was solid and the coaches had it put together, but too many boneheaded mistakes caused it to self destruct then say that. A bunch of guys sitting behind computers all saw what we saw, someone telling me the players didn't see this, they aren't aware? He didn't single out specific players or anything, this is akin to "we gotta get better, all of us." "We thought we had a good plan going in but we just didn't put it all together".

No harm, no foul. No sense in blowing smoke up skirts when it's not called for, talk about no one respecting you...

(09-05-2014 12:25 PM)JMU85 Wrote:  Actually quite the contrary in the Gundy case.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3341578

On the surface and when speaking to media. We all known there are things and circumstances that happen behind scenes. BTW I have no issue with what he stated , but this is a complete team sport, words like we , us are very important. As long as coaches know thier accountability.

(09-05-2014 10:57 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I don't think so.....and I don't think it is throwing anyone under the bus when after losing 52-7 it is said that the execution needs to be better. And who does the execution ---- that's right the players.

I don't think the coaching staff told the punt coverage team to go out there and hit a guy signaling a fair catch on back to back punts. I don't think the coaching staff practiced and instructed the center to consistently snap the ball 2-3 feet high all game long. I don't think the coaching staff instructed the players to miss tackles throughout the game.

These 3 glaring examples are all on the execution end and fall squarely on the young men wearing helmets and pads. Coaches can coach and prepare but they cannot play the game for them and cannot make a single tackle.

There was no glaring criticism of any individual player (outside of Vad by the staff) that did not seem reasonable. They are big boys they now they made quite a few mistakes and the player interviews I have seen call out the same execution items.

If they limited the full speed contact & tackling during the summer then that is the coaches' fault.

(09-05-2014 08:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 10:57 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I don't think so.....and I don't think it is throwing anyone under the bus when after losing 52-7 it is said that the execution needs to be better. And who does the execution ---- that's right the players.

I don't think the coaching staff told the punt coverage team to go out there and hit a guy signaling a fair catch on back to back punts. I don't think the coaching staff practiced and instructed the center to consistently snap the ball 2-3 feet high all game long. I don't think the coaching staff instructed the players to miss tackles throughout the game.

These 3 glaring examples are all on the execution end and fall squarely on the young men wearing helmets and pads. Coaches can coach and prepare but they cannot play the game for them and cannot make a single tackle.

There was no glaring criticism of any individual player (outside of Vad by the staff) that did not seem reasonable. They are big boys they now they made quite a few mistakes and the player interviews I have seen call out the same execution items.

If they limited the full speed contact & tackling during the summer then that is the coaches' fault.

Yea, this baffles me beyond belief. Not saying it happened here, no idea. But I do know of HS and other programs that "teach" contact and "teach" tackling, but don't ever do it.

Amazingly, these programs all suck. As in, SUCK. Disservice to the kids if no one else. SMDH.

(09-06-2014 12:46 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 08:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 10:57 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I don't think so.....and I don't think it is throwing anyone under the bus when after losing 52-7 it is said that the execution needs to be better. And who does the execution ---- that's right the players.

I don't think the coaching staff told the punt coverage team to go out there and hit a guy signaling a fair catch on back to back punts. I don't think the coaching staff practiced and instructed the center to consistently snap the ball 2-3 feet high all game long. I don't think the coaching staff instructed the players to miss tackles throughout the game.

These 3 glaring examples are all on the execution end and fall squarely on the young men wearing helmets and pads. Coaches can coach and prepare but they cannot play the game for them and cannot make a single tackle.

There was no glaring criticism of any individual player (outside of Vad by the staff) that did not seem reasonable. They are big boys they now they made quite a few mistakes and the player interviews I have seen call out the same execution items.

If they limited the full speed contact & tackling during the summer then that is the coaches' fault.

Yea, this baffles me beyond belief. Not saying it happened here, no idea. But I do know of HS and other programs that "teach" contact and "teach" tackling, but don't ever do it.

Amazingly, these programs all suck. As in, SUCK. Disservice to the kids if no one else. SMDH.

I'm pretty sure Withers admitted as much to the press. He basically said that they limited tackling during practice to avoid injuries.

Contrary to what some think, I believe these public comments don't help a "team". In the first place - don't be happy with what you did as a coach if we got get shelled. "Most" people know that there is always something more you could of done as a coach. If the players where not ready week one, it is just as much on you. What if the players said "we did everything the coaches told us, and we were not properly prepared"? Ironically the players coulnd'nt comment, but I'll bet they never would make such a comment.

Also, is you're 26 in your first game as an offensive coordinator going against UMD. I promise you you've got a lot to learn and improve on yourself.

(09-06-2014 06:24 AM)atljmualum Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 12:46 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 08:23 PM)BDKJMU Wrote:  

(09-05-2014 10:57 AM)ShadyP Wrote:  I don't think so.....and I don't think it is throwing anyone under the bus when after losing 52-7 it is said that the execution needs to be better. And who does the execution ---- that's right the players.

I don't think the coaching staff told the punt coverage team to go out there and hit a guy signaling a fair catch on back to back punts. I don't think the coaching staff practiced and instructed the center to consistently snap the ball 2-3 feet high all game long. I don't think the coaching staff instructed the players to miss tackles throughout the game.

These 3 glaring examples are all on the execution end and fall squarely on the young men wearing helmets and pads. Coaches can coach and prepare but they cannot play the game for them and cannot make a single tackle.

There was no glaring criticism of any individual player (outside of Vad by the staff) that did not seem reasonable. They are big boys they now they made quite a few mistakes and the player interviews I have seen call out the same execution items.

If they limited the full speed contact & tackling during the summer then that is the coaches' fault.

Yea, this baffles me beyond belief. Not saying it happened here, no idea. But I do know of HS and other programs that "teach" contact and "teach" tackling, but don't ever do it.

Amazingly, these programs all suck. As in, SUCK. Disservice to the kids if no one else. SMDH.

I'm pretty sure Withers admitted as much to the press. He basically said that they limited tackling during practice to avoid injuries.

The tackling was limited at times, like in all programs, and there were practices when there was tackling to the ground. There was tackling to the ground in the scrimmage on the Meet the Dukes day. The execution on a number of facets of the game were not good at Maryland but that does not mean we have poor coaching or bad players. It was a bad day. Let's see how this team looks over the next few weeks before passing judgment on the entire program. We have a long way to go in the season.

(09-06-2014 07:23 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Contrary to what some think, I believe these public comments don't help a "team". In the first place - don't be happy with what you did as a coach if we got get shelled. "Most" people know that there is always something more you could of done as a coach. If the players where not ready week one, it is just as much on you. What if the players said "we did everything the coaches told us, and we were not properly prepared"? Ironically the players coulnd'nt comment, but I'll bet they never would make such a comment.

Also, is you're 26 in your first game as an offensive coordinator going against UMD. I promise you you've got a lot to learn and improve on yourself.

Isn't it fair to ask for the actual context & quote before assuming? Not disagreeing with your ideas AT ALL, but I refuse to get upset or assume based on a non-quote.

(09-06-2014 08:56 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 07:23 AM)Dukester Wrote:  Contrary to what some think, I believe these public comments don't help a "team". In the first place - don't be happy with what you did as a coach if we got get shelled. "Most" people know that there is always something more you could of done as a coach. If the players where not ready week one, it is just as much on you. What if the players said "we did everything the coaches told us, and we were not properly prepared"? Ironically the players coulnd'nt comment, but I'll bet they never would make such a comment.

Also, is you're 26 in your first game as an offensive coordinator going against UMD. I promise you you've got a lot to learn and improve on yourself.

Isn't it fair to ask for the actual context & quote before assuming? Not disagreeing with your ideas AT ALL, but I refuse to get upset or assume based on a non-quote.

Upset - not even close. True it wasn't a quote - so who knows? But the reporter apparently did understand it that way.

In his play-calling debut, Mehringer — a native of Arlington, Texas, who played quarterback at Rice University — said the game day setup with the young coaching staff went well, it was the execution from the players that was lacking.

No disrespect to Matt Jones, but I essentially don't trust DNR paraphrasing.

(09-06-2014 09:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  No disrespect to Matt Jones, but I essentially don't trust DNR paraphrasing.

The only reason a reporter would have to paraphrase would be the absence of an actual quote, or perhaps due to a poorly constructed question that did not yield a suitable quote. As newspaper readers, we have the responsibility to differentiate between direct quote and reporter-conjecture. The op/ed section seems like a better place for paraphrasing.

(09-08-2014 09:58 AM)PhillyDuke Wrote:  

(09-06-2014 09:54 AM)HyperDuke Wrote:  No disrespect to Matt Jones, but I essentially don't trust DNR paraphrasing.

The only reason a reporter would have to paraphrase would be the absence of an actual quote, or perhaps due to a poorly constructed question that did not yield a suitable quote. As newspaper readers, we have the responsibility to differentiate between direct quote and reporter-conjecture. The op/ed section seems like a better place for paraphrasing.

Yep. We all have a million examples of what was said and what was heard.