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RE: Mizzou AD--No More G5 Road Games
Group of 5 blog game of the week features Toledo vs Mizzou.

http://g5comealive.sportsblog.com/posts/..._week.html
09-03-2014 08:37 PM
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RE: Mizzou AD--No More G5 Road Games
(09-03-2014 08:07 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 06:21 PM)DrBox Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 06:08 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  I doubt there are more than a handful of P5-at-G5 games this season, and I don't think that's going to improve (from a G5 perspective).

The AAC hosts 6 games against P5 this year.

Boom. And we host at least 1 per year for the foreseeable future.

I looked, and there were a lot more than I expected. I suppose that since in general I don't care who ARizona or Maryland play, I don't notice that they play them at their place.

For what it's worth, I can't see that 8+1 or 9 game conference schedules make a difference. The 14-team ACC leaves home to play a G5 team 7 times, the Big XII 4 times, the Big Ten 5 times (counting PSU vs UCF and OSU vs NAvy in Baltimore), the PAC-12 6 times and the SEC 4 times counting MSU vs BSU at the Georgia Dome. (I bascially counted it any time a P5 team played a G5 team and the game wasn't at the P5 home stadium. So I also counted CU vs CSU @ Mile High Stadium)

This might, after all, just be Mizzou moving to the SEC and adopting an SEC way of doing things. Or the trend of the rich-getting-richer could continue. It's not easy to say off the top of your head why Mizzou is going to Toledo to play in front of 20,000 or so fans.

One other thing to consider is that the ratio of buyers to sellers (P5 to G5) has changed. From 2005-2011, there were 66 BCS-AQ/ND schools and (I think) 53 Non-AQ schools. Now there are 65 P5 schools and (I think) 64 G5 schools. So there is a bigger supply of body-bags, which would tend to drive the price (in cash or in home-and-homes) down. So if UAB or Troy tries to hold out for a better deal, there's every chance that the P5 school brings in Georgia Southern or South Alabama instead.
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RE: Mizzou AD--No More G5 Road Games
(09-03-2014 08:49 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  One other thing to consider is that the ratio of buyers to sellers (P5 to G5) has changed. From 2005-2011, there were 66 BCS-AQ/ND schools and (I think) 53 Non-AQ schools. Now there are 65 P5 schools and (I think) 64 G5 schools. So there is a bigger supply of body-bags, which would tend to drive the price (in cash or in home-and-homes) down. So if UAB or Troy tries to hold out for a better deal, there's every chance that the P5 school brings in Georgia Southern or South Alabama instead.
The other aspect is that some P5 don't do bodybags and would lose money doing so. Even Miss State, not the lowest of the P5, doesn't buy G5 bodybags on a regular basis.
Wake Forest and Duke would lose money on a game if they were to pay market price for a bodybag.
It remains to be seen how the economics of all of this looks over the next few years.
But as of today, AAC teams can get home and homes with P5 teams.
Similarly, the biggest issue in the AAC's future is the next TV deal - will it earn a significantly better deal. Do that, and the rest comes.
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RE: Mizzou AD--No More G5 Road Games
(09-03-2014 12:22 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 11:40 AM)Chappy Wrote:  It would be interesting to see what would happen if the entire "G5" declared in one voice that they would only do home-and-homes from now on.

They can still do it because there are enough lower tier FBS teams who are cash-starved. This is where the AAC is really hurt by the gradual FBS expansion.

-1 home game against an FCS
-1 home game against a cash-strapped FBS (USM, UAB, Texas State, New Mexico State)
-2 home and homes against P5 teams, in off-setting years

That way they still get 7 home games.

Eventually, the 9 game schedule in every conference will make it even easier, because they'll only need to find one home and home with another P5.

This is why Aresco is so hot on changing the perception of the P5 to P6. At some point, we need to help these AD's convince their fan-bases that we are "power" enough to schedule road games against.

I'm sorry, but when the hell did Texas State become "cash-strapped"? Last time I saw a list of FBS Athletic budgets, Tulane was near the bottom at 27M. I'm not saying that is accurate but if it is, it would put Tulane's Athletic budget roughly 1M higher than Texas State's. So would you please explain how Texas State is "cash strapped" but the "mighty" Tulane is not?03-lmfao
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(09-03-2014 11:28 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  I don't get how the P5 gets away with this rational. Refusing to play at any FBS school's stadiums is paramount to cheatingin my book. If you don't fight fair you shouldn't be allowed to fight at all.

they taking a page out of notre dames book...............we played nd and beat them and the refs did everything to help notre dame03-banghead
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Mizzou is gonna do what ESPN tells them to do.
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no need to worry eventually a g5 politician will get a set and speak up about how fair play is the american way03-lmfao
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Don't just about all SEC teams have this same rule?
Mizzou is just hoping on the train, nothing shocking.
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RE: Mizzou AD--No More G5 Road Games
(09-03-2014 08:06 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 01:18 PM)HP-TBDPITL Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 01:06 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Tod Palmer ‏@todpalmer · 18m
Alden: Future road games for football would be Power 5 teams, not Toledo, UCF or Arkansas State.

FBSchedules.com ‏@FBSchedules · 7m
RT @Dave_Matter: Alden: Mizzou will eventually phase out of playing noncon road games at non-power 5 schools.

...and it begins. I predicted this would happen earlier this year and many are likely to follow Missouri's example. This would particularly hurt AAC schools as the SBC, CUSA and MAC are most likely to accept these types of one-sided terms b/c they are doing it now and getting a good paycheck.

The next step as predicted will be for most P5 schools to adopt a NO G5 school policy as some are already advocating. Once that happens our SOS and potential to attract national attention by beating p5 schools starts going away. The bugged death knell would be if and when P5 use their autonomy to increase scholarship numbers.

Nothing has begun...the SEC never plays true road OOC games against MAC/SBC/CUSA....the difference with Missou is they just joined the SEC.

....sure, and ppl like you laughed at the autonomy movement and the conferences attempting to consolidate their power into 5 conferences. Gotcha....

You're right...actually I laugh at folks that swallow this media driven narrative irregardless of reality. Missou changed from the Big 12 to the SEC, therefore their OOC schedule will change from what it was. That's all the AD said.

As someone pointed out there are 6 home games against P5 competition in the American this year...I would expect that to continue. ECU has long term contracts in place. UCF's Penn State game was technically a home game...we'll see the neutral site scenarios increase, but that exists for P5 v P5 as well. The context of the Missou AD's statement was that they are playing AT TOLEDO this week. That's not a game most American conference teams would schedule, it shouldn't be a surprise that the Missou AD is coming out with this.

As to autonomy...the American has supported that movement and has indicated it will provide whatever benefits are decided. Many things are still left to the NCAA. It will be a benefit to the American in the long run, because it will create more separation between the FCS and FBS, we'll see less FCS immediate transfers, because of the loss of actual scholly money. Those transfers from P5 schools may now go to G5 schools that offer the additional benefits, i.e....the American Conference.
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RE: Mizzou AD--No More G5 Road Games
The problem the gang will have is eventually all of the P5 will go to 9 conf games and require at least 1 P5 OCC. once that happens there will be less than 130 P5 games available to G5 and fcs schools. lets say to save $$ 35 of those games go to fcs, then you are under 100, for aprox 70 Gang schools. Sunbelt and Mac schools with small budgets will always sign without home games, and another group will do 3 for 1s. by the time those games get used up, there will be 20 or less games fought for by 35 schools, Prices and home games will go down.
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(09-03-2014 12:02 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  
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(09-03-2014 11:40 AM)Chappy Wrote:  It would be interesting to see what would happen if the entire "G5" declared in one voice that they would only do home-and-homes from now on.

It would never work. Everyone has their price.

Ya and a ton of G5's would probably go FCS/D3 if they lost the pay games.

The P5's do this because they can, end of story. It's a multi billion dollar business and isn;t going anywhere. It's pure capitalism, they have the revenue thus the power.

I think this is happening for a couple of reasons and I think it is a phase of the breakaway that the NCAA staved off in name by capitulating to the BCS conference demands. It makes little sense for a handful of programs like Mizzou to go in this direction alone. I believe it is a coordinated effort and we will see all P5 members move in this direction.

It will in effect allow the power 5 to have their cake and eat it too.

1. It will create premium early season content for the various conference networks. I believe this is key. Instead of the throwaway early season match ups that clog the B10 and sec networks we'll start to see some "name" match ups across P5 conference lines even if they are middling programs.

2. This effort will drive down the cost of buy games for the P5 and the top of the outsiders which have been steadily getting higher for years. Less demand equals lower cost per game.

3. Administrators are recognizing the damage done by realignment. Enacting this policy will allow for old conference rivalries based on geography to be reignited on a regular basis OOC.

If the whole thing implodes then we get something else but in this manner they will stratify the sport further with the appearance of a unified division while solidifying the current format.
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(09-04-2014 06:39 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The problem the gang will have is eventually all of the P5 will go to 9 conf games and require at least 1 P5 OCC. once that happens there will be less than 130 P5 games available to G5 and fcs schools. lets say to save $$ 35 of those games go to fcs, then you are under 100, for aprox 70 Gang schools. Sunbelt and Mac schools with small budgets will always sign without home games, and another group will do 3 for 1s. by the time those games get used up, there will be 20 or less games fought for by 35 schools, Prices and home games will go down.

This is really going to be the main pressure. The Big Ten is moving to 9 conference games in 2016, while the Pac-12 and Big 12 are already at that level. Every school needs 7 home games or at the least the revenue equivalent of 7 home games (i.e. Michigan can swap out a home game if Jerry World is paying them a huge amount to come to Dallas for a neutral site game). The Big Ten is heavily persuading/mandating that their members schedule one other P5 school in the non-conference schedule per year.

You can do the math at that point: 9 conference games plus 1 P5 non-conference game on a home-away rotation is equal to 10 total games with 5 of them being home games. That means the last 2 non-conference games HAVE to be body bag one-and-done home games for revenue purposes.

On the other hand, if the Big Ten is serious about enforcing its new policy against scheduling FCS teams (I have my doubts about that seriousness), that would actually increase the demand and prices for one-and-done payouts to G5 schools quite a bit. In turn, those high prices may change the revenue equation for lower tier P5 schools where 7 home games with 2 really expensive body bag games doesn't net as much money as simply going on the road to G5 schools. The market has a way of working itself out.
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(09-04-2014 09:56 AM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  You can do the math at that point: 9 conference games plus 1 P5 non-conference game on a home-away rotation is equal to 10 total games with 5 of them being home games. That means the last 2 non-conference games HAVE to be body bag one-and-done home games for revenue

This, IMO, will start the push for a 13th game.
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(09-03-2014 09:33 PM)ThaGinga Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 12:22 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 11:40 AM)Chappy Wrote:  It would be interesting to see what would happen if the entire "G5" declared in one voice that they would only do home-and-homes from now on.

They can still do it because there are enough lower tier FBS teams who are cash-starved. This is where the AAC is really hurt by the gradual FBS expansion.

-1 home game against an FCS
-1 home game against a cash-strapped FBS (USM, UAB, Texas State, New Mexico State)
-2 home and homes against P5 teams, in off-setting years

That way they still get 7 home games.

Eventually, the 9 game schedule in every conference will make it even easier, because they'll only need to find one home and home with another P5.

This is why Aresco is so hot on changing the perception of the P5 to P6. At some point, we need to help these AD's convince their fan-bases that we are "power" enough to schedule road games against.

I'm sorry, but when the hell did Texas State become "cash-strapped"? Last time I saw a list of FBS Athletic budgets, Tulane was near the bottom at 27M. I'm not saying that is accurate but if it is, it would put Tulane's Athletic budget roughly 1M higher than Texas State's. So would you please explain how Texas State is "cash strapped" but the "mighty" Tulane is not?03-lmfao

Tulane actually isn't desperate for money. Tulane plays small ball - they've intentionally kept themselves small-time via a number of interesting decisions made by leadership. Tulane prefers to do a lot of 1x1 and 1x2 agreements with weaker P5 schools - and for the last few years has really avoided playing powerful P5 programs. Tulane likes playing Rutgers, Syracuse, Wake Forest, and service academies. Money wasn't why Tulane was crap - the management of the program was terrible.

Tulane's budget for 2014 is around 30-32m if I'm not mistaken. That's good for around 83rd-88th in all of FBS (there are around 125 teams all-in-all).

Tulane is the second smallest AAC budget, but there are around 35-40 teams with smaller budgets than Tulane in FBS.

Tulane is a really strange G5 program, however.
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