Just to be clear, I'm sure they'll continue to play the dregs of FCS at home to their heart's content.

Neutral fields will become the new norm. Boise State's big match ups have been on neutral fields. The kickoff games have been helpful in G5vsP5 scheduling. Atlanta's Chik-fil-a, Dallas Classic, Ireland's CrokePark are going to become more important.

With the playoff possibly having a negative effect on the Bowls. We might see a shift to more Kickoff bowls...

Rumor has it Jacksonville's Everbank is currently researching the Kickoff game profitability. They already host FL/GA rivalry. Host Gator Bowl tied to SEC/BigTen/ACC. Not sure what direction they would go in for a kickoff game

(09-03-2014 12:12 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  Just to be clear, I'm sure they'll continue to play the dregs of FCS at home to their heart's content.

Of course they will. They are just going to play G5's exclusively at home as well.

(09-03-2014 11:40 AM)Chappy Wrote:  It would be interesting to see what would happen if the entire "G5" declared in one voice that they would only do home-and-homes from now on.

They can still do it because there are enough lower tier FBS teams who are cash-starved. This is where the AAC is really hurt by the gradual FBS expansion.

-1 home game against an FCS
-1 home game against a cash-strapped FBS (USM, UAB, Texas State, New Mexico State)
-2 home and homes against P5 teams, in off-setting years

That way they still get 7 home games.

Eventually, the 9 game schedule in every conference will make it even easier, because they'll only need to find one home and home with another P5.

This is why Aresco is so hot on changing the perception of the P5 to P6. At some point, we need to help these AD's convince their fan-bases that we are "power" enough to schedule road games against.

(09-03-2014 12:13 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Neutral fields will become the new norm. Boise State's big match ups have been on neutral fields. The kickoff games have been helpful in G5vsP5 scheduling. Atlanta's Chik-fil-a, Dallas Classic, Ireland's CrokePark are going to become more important.

With the playoff possibly having a negative effect on the Bowls. We might see a shift to more Kickoff bowls...

Rumor has it Jacksonville's Everbank is currently researching the Kickoff game profitability. They already host FL/GA rivalry. Host Gator Bowl tied to SEC/BigTen/ACC. Not sure what direction they would go in for a kickoff game

UCF-vs.-Georgia Tech/South Carolina/Clemson/FSU in offsetting years would be a great kickoff game in Jacksonville.

(09-03-2014 12:07 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  By coincidence, Memphis already has a home & home scheduled with Mizzou in the near future. Last time we played in Columbia we won, by the way.

Which has been pushed back. They ain't playing that game...at least the one in Memphis. This has happened twice before, nothing new.

Next thing the Profiteering5 will want is 12 home games. Pu$$ies.....the whole lot of them.

(09-03-2014 12:31 PM)downsouth Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 12:07 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  By coincidence, Memphis already has a home & home scheduled with Mizzou in the near future. Last time we played in Columbia we won, by the way.

Which has been pushed back. They ain't playing that game...at least the one in Memphis. This has happened twice before, nothing new.

I dunno... The game at the Liberty Bowl could still happen. (Call it the "Grandfather" effect....) Pretty much everyone would admit that there is a substantial difference for Mizzou playing a road game 1,000+ miles away at the 30K capacity Glass Bowl and playing a game 300 miles away at the 60K capacity Liberty Bowl.

Mizzou could still make the game at Memphis happen and sell a huge allotment of their tickets to alumni. That game still makes sense.

(09-03-2014 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Tod Palmer ‏@todpalmer · 18m
Alden: Future road games for football would be Power 5 teams, not Toledo, UCF or Arkansas State.

FBSchedules.com ‏@FBSchedules · 7m
RT @Dave_Matter: Alden: Mizzou will eventually phase out of playing noncon road games at non-power 5 schools.

(09-03-2014 12:07 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  By coincidence, Memphis already has a home & home scheduled with Mizzou in the near future. Last time we played in Columbia we won, by the way.

Unless the first game is in Memphis, expect the back half to get bought out.

Well Missou has SEC money now...I wonder if they would schedule a neutral site game against G5, like say play BYU in Denver or Navy in St Louis.

I can understand not playing again in Toledo, but to say you would never play at Air Force, BYU, Cincinnati, Memphis, etc...seems to be putting limits on potential good regional OOC games.

But whatever...

(09-03-2014 11:47 AM)invisiblehand Wrote:  Relegation would solve all of these problems... Bye bye Kansas, Illinois, Indiana, Iowa State Wazzu, Half the ACC...

Like that would ever happen. Better to work on solutions that fit the world we live in. ESPN and the P5 want to take their ball and go home. Cool...well bye. There are hardly any OTA TV games left anymore thanks to ESPN. There are not any online a la carte or non ESPN3 games you can stream. There is a sub-market to be served that should be exploited before they push us all out an air lock.

(09-03-2014 11:53 AM)CougarRed Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Tod Palmer ‏@todpalmer · 18m
Alden: Future road games for football would be Power 5 teams, not Toledo, UCF or Arkansas State.

FBSchedules.com ‏@FBSchedules · 7m
RT @Dave_Matter: Alden: Mizzou will eventually phase out of playing noncon road games at non-power 5 schools.

Doesn't happen often at the big attendance schools. In the last 25 years, Michigan has played at UConn once and Hawaii once. Ohio State hasn't played any G5 road games in at least 25 years. In the last 20 years, Bama has gone to Hawaii twice. That's it.

But there are only so many of those super-high attendance schools, and even some of them will road games at non mega-rich conference schools.

Granted, 'Bama, Florida, Michigan, Notre Dame, Ohio State, and Georgia, with maybe a few others, don't have many, if any, road games at G5 schools.

On the other hand, Florida State has played in recent years at BYU and USF. Future road games include USF and Boise State. FSU (ranged from high 60K's to 84K in recent seasons) doesn't have the 90,000+ attendance that the schools I listed above have, but I don't think anyone is mistaking FSU for having "low attendance," either. USC has played at Fresno & Hawaii. Washington (70,000+) has played and will play at BYU & other MWC schools. Michigan State (70,000+) has or will play at EMU, CMU, and WMU between 2010 and 2020. The oh so mighty Texas Longhorns played at UCF several years back. Oklahoma has played at Tulsa.

Mizzou barely has attendace on par with Michigan State or Washington. I think it will be hard to see how they can get G5 to agree to home-only deals when more powerful schools weren't able to.

I've never been a big Steve Spurrier fan, but man, did I ever agree with his point that you can't use blanket rules, like P5-only, because schools like ECU are far more attractive than many schools from those P5 leagues.

(09-03-2014 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Tod Palmer ‏@todpalmer · 18m
Alden: Future road games for football would be Power 5 teams, not Toledo, UCF or Arkansas State.

FBSchedules.com ‏@FBSchedules · 7m
RT @Dave_Matter: Alden: Mizzou will eventually phase out of playing noncon road games at non-power 5 schools.

...and it begins. I predicted this would happen earlier this year and many are likely to follow Missouri's example. This would particularly hurt AAC schools as the SBC, CUSA and MAC are most likely to accept these types of one-sided terms b/c they are doing it now and getting a good paycheck.

The next step as predicted will be for most P5 schools to adopt a NO G5 school policy as some are already advocating. Once that happens our SOS and potential to attract national attention by beating p5 schools starts going away. The bugged death knell would be if and when P5 use their autonomy to increase scholarship numbers.

Not a big deal, IMO. Missouri (who won the 2013 SEC East Division) feels that they need to have schedules comparable to Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Texas A&M, Ohio St., Michigan, etc. This would be a much bigger deal if Wake Forest, Washington St., and Kansas make similar announcements.

The unintended consequence is that the Tigers' SOS will suffer - more home games against the Sun Belt and MAC pads the win column but will hurt SOS. But, it's a good move for Missouri, because they're headed to the CFP or NY6 if they do well in the SEC regardless of the out-of-conference SOS. If they don't compete for the top SEC spots, may as well pad revenues with an extra home game.

(09-03-2014 12:13 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  Neutral fields will become the new norm. Boise State's big match ups have been on neutral fields. The kickoff games have been helpful in G5vsP5 scheduling. Atlanta's Chik-fil-a, Dallas Classic, Ireland's CrokePark are going to become more important.

With the playoff possibly having a negative effect on the Bowls. We might see a shift to more Kickoff bowls...

Rumor has it Jacksonville's Everbank is currently researching the Kickoff game profitability. They already host FL/GA rivalry. Host Gator Bowl tied to SEC/BigTen/ACC. Not sure what direction they would go in for a kickoff game

You can throw in the Houston classic as well. Houston gets OU in 2016.

(09-03-2014 01:06 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(09-03-2014 11:18 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Tod Palmer ‏@todpalmer · 18m
Alden: Future road games for football would be Power 5 teams, not Toledo, UCF or Arkansas State.

FBSchedules.com ‏@FBSchedules · 7m
RT @Dave_Matter: Alden: Mizzou will eventually phase out of playing noncon road games at non-power 5 schools.

...and it begins. I predicted this would happen earlier this year and many are likely to follow Missouri's example. This would particularly hurt AAC schools as the SBC, CUSA and MAC are most likely to accept these types of one-sided terms b/c they are doing it now and getting a good paycheck.

The next step as predicted will be for most P5 schools to adopt a NO G5 school policy as some are already advocating. Once that happens our SOS and potential to attract national attention by beating p5 schools starts going away. The bugged death knell would be if and when P5 use their autonomy to increase scholarship numbers.

Nothing has begun...the SEC never plays true road OOC games against MAC/SBC/CUSA....the difference with Missou is they just joined the SEC.

Within 5 years all P5 schools will do this. They will cut # of G5 games, and G5 schools will be so desperate for P5 games which will be few and far between will give them 1, 2, or 3 for 0's just to sign a game. They will basically play 10 P5 schools 5-5 home away, and 2 gang schools both home. to maintain their 7 home games.

(09-03-2014 01:08 PM)YNot Wrote:  Not a big deal, IMO. Missouri (who won the 2013 SEC East Division) feels that they need to have schedules comparable to Alabama, Georgia, Florida, LSU, Texas A&M, Ohio St., Michigan, etc. This would be a much bigger deal if Wake Forest, Washington St., and Kansas make similar announcements.

The unintended consequence is that the Tigers' SOS will suffer - more home games against the Sun Belt and MAC pads the win column but will hurt SOS. But, it's a good move for Missouri, because they're headed to the CFP or NY6 if they do well in the SEC regardless of the out-of-conference SOS. If they don't compete for the top SEC spots, may as well pad revenues with an extra home game.

If indeed most, if not all, of the SEC schedules this way, where they're playing just one halfway tough non-conference game and three SBC/C-USA/weak MWC/FCS teams at home, does the committee still credit a one- or two-loss SEC team as having had a truly tough schedule because, hey, they're SEC teams? Or does the committee look at teams with equal records from other leagues who beat two or three really tough teams as having the better season? How does the committee KNOW the SEC is so good if so few of their teams have competed/defeated so few teams from other strong leagues? Couldn't a one-loss Stanford team that played 9 Pac-12 teams, Notre Dame, and say, a 10-2 San Diego State get in ahead of a one-loss Mizzou who played 8 SEC teams (only two of which are SEC West) and a bunch of mediocre teams?

And, if the league happens to be very successful against its P5 competition, shouldn't a zero- or one-loss American team get credit for strength of schedule?

I guess I'm just not a fan of giving automatic credit to any league that doesn't have to prove itself either with 9 conference games or with wins against strong non-league competition. SEC schools rarely schedule more than one truly tough non-league opponent, which helps to maintain the league's portrayal of invincibility when in reality it's avoiding the challenges that other leagues are willing to take.

How is this different than many UC fans clamoring to no longer play road games against MAC schools? Personally, I have no issue with him saying this...the SEC is already tough enough, no need to add tricky road games like @Toledo...