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At what point does Al Golden's seat get warm?
How much time will an 8-4 season buy him? And will he even get that? Outside the Coastal Division, he still has to face FSU and Nebraska. Lose both and he needs to go 5-1 in a very balanced division. I just don't see Miami dominating the Coastal unless they make great strides in the next couple of weeks.
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I think he's signed long-term. So even a 4-8 type of season this year wouldn't get him fired, especially since "he's improved Miami each year". That said, 8-4 would be a pretty decent season this year. And I think he could go 8-4 every year for the next few years before having to worry about job security. I guess it would just depend on how long it takes an already small fanbase to erode to a point in which their administration is forced to do something, or if going 8-4 every year would even erode the fanbase.
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RE: At what point does Al Golden's seat get warm?
For reference, here is the rest of Miami's schedule:

FL A&M
Arkansas State
@ Nebraska
Duke
@GA tech
Cincinnati
@Va Tech
UNC
FSU
@UVA
Pitt

The only sure wins I see in there are FAM, Arky State and UVA. There are a bunch of toss ups and the likely loses at Nebraska and Florida State. Assuming those five games go to chalk Miami would have to 5-1 in the toss ups to get to 8-4. I think the more realistic scenario based on what I saw Monday is a 6-6/7-5 type season.

That being said, I don't think he gets canned this year short of Miami totally crapping the bed and having something less than four wins (which I don't think will happen).
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I think you are vastly understating Louisville.

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RE: At what point does Al Golden's seat get warm?
Anything lower than a bowl game and heads will need to roll. People are fed up with ineptitude on one side of the ball over long stretches of time. Our defense looks very good this year but our offense needs hard work.

It's a good thing we've got FAMU and Arky State coming up, two mediocre opponents will help things get rolling I think/hope. We'll be all right this year, assuming we don't have a bad collapse, but Golden is taking responsibility for the suckage displayed at U of L which is good.

Also I 100% agree that UL is underrated. They might even be better than they were last year.
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Doesn't Golden always take responsibility when his team loses? Don't most coaches? "I have to prepare them better. That's on me" type of stuff. Seen some fans on other sites that are tired with him taking ownership of the same mistakes year after year, game after game instead of getting the team to a point where they aren't having those issues repeatedly.
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Under normal circumstances I would say 4 yrs is long enough but Golden inherited a mess. The NCAA cloud has been around for most of his tenure, so I would at least give him until the end of next season provided the wheels don't fall off. The U's fans & former players need to accept that the good old days are a thing of the past & probably won't be tolerated by the University any more.
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(09-03-2014 01:33 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Doesn't Golden always take responsibility when his team loses? Don't most coaches? "I have to prepare them better. That's on me" type of stuff. Seen some fans on other sites that are tired with him taking ownership of the same mistakes year after year, game after game instead of getting the team to a point where they aren't having those issues repeatedly.

Thing is it's always something different, a different coordinator's mess. Last year the D was horrendous and this year the O L is just about as bad as it could possibly be.

Always something new.
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Hope he and Muschamp stay forever
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Well, Phillip Buchanon sure don't like Golden.
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(09-03-2014 03:37 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Under normal circumstances I would say 4 yrs is long enough but Golden inherited a mess. The NCAA cloud has been around for most of his tenure, so I would at least give him until the end of next season provided the wheels don't fall off. The U's fans & former players need to accept that the good old days are a thing of the past & probably won't be tolerated by the University any more.

Normally, I would agree about the NCAA cloud, etc. However, those cats don't care about that. There really isn't another university that dominates there backyard like the U. The talent is there. Maybe their national recruiting fell off due to the NCAA mess but they still had a bunch of talent in their backyard. Maybe the Shannon fire didn't sit to well with the local coaches but there is no reason for the U to be down.
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(09-03-2014 03:37 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Under normal circumstances I would say 4 yrs is long enough but Golden inherited a mess. The NCAA cloud has been around for most of his tenure, so I would at least give him until the end of next season provided the wheels don't fall off. The U's fans & former players need to accept that the good old days are a thing of the past & probably won't be tolerated by the University any more.

So, does he get brownie points for sticking around after he (belatedly) learned that the Canes were in for harsh penalties, instead of reneging on his commitment? Should he?

He has had apparent recruiting success despite the sanctions. But that could actually work against him, since that success isn't being matched on the field. But since Miami's leadership doesn't exactly hold any moral high ground these days, they may have a pretty high tolerance for mediocrity from their coaches.
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(09-03-2014 06:16 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 03:37 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Under normal circumstances I would say 4 yrs is long enough but Golden inherited a mess. The NCAA cloud has been around for most of his tenure, so I would at least give him until the end of next season provided the wheels don't fall off. The U's fans & former players need to accept that the good old days are a thing of the past & probably won't be tolerated by the University any more.

So, does he get brownie points for sticking around after he (belatedly) learned that the Canes were in for harsh penalties, instead of reneging on his commitment? Should he?

He has had apparent recruiting success despite the sanctions. But that could actually work against him, since that success isn't being matched on the field. But since Miami's leadership doesn't exactly hold any moral high ground these days, they may have a pretty high tolerance for mediocrity from their coaches.
Not a pass per se but I would give him at least thru the 2015 season. This season isn't over with yet so Miami could still only lose 3-4 games. Miami also needs to continue to improve it's facilities ( no reason for Wake to have a indoor facility & Miami doesn't )
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(09-03-2014 06:13 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 03:37 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Under normal circumstances I would say 4 yrs is long enough but Golden inherited a mess. The NCAA cloud has been around for most of his tenure, so I would at least give him until the end of next season provided the wheels don't fall off. The U's fans & former players need to accept that the good old days are a thing of the past & probably won't be tolerated by the University any more.

Normally, I would agree about the NCAA cloud, etc. However, those cats don't care about that. There really isn't another university that dominates there backyard like the U. The talent is there. Maybe their national recruiting fell off due to the NCAA mess but they still had a bunch of talent in their backyard. Maybe the Shannon fire didn't sit to well with the local coaches but there is no reason for the U to be down.

Well, Miami doesn't "dominate" south Florida recruiting. They obviously do well at it, but they lose plenty of guys to FSU, Bama, UF and other SEC schools (off hand I don't recall any going to Clemson, which has done well in other parts of FL).
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(09-03-2014 05:59 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  Well, Phillip Buchanon sure don't like Golden.

And Lamar Thomas mocks his alma mater as well.

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(09-03-2014 07:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 06:13 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 03:37 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Under normal circumstances I would say 4 yrs is long enough but Golden inherited a mess. The NCAA cloud has been around for most of his tenure, so I would at least give him until the end of next season provided the wheels don't fall off. The U's fans & former players need to accept that the good old days are a thing of the past & probably won't be tolerated by the University any more.

Normally, I would agree about the NCAA cloud, etc. However, those cats don't care about that. There really isn't another university that dominates there backyard like the U. The talent is there. Maybe their national recruiting fell off due to the NCAA mess but they still had a bunch of talent in their backyard. Maybe the Shannon fire didn't sit to well with the local coaches but there is no reason for the U to be down.

Well, Miami doesn't "dominate" south Florida recruiting. They obviously do well at it, but they lose plenty of guys to FSU, Bama, UF and other SEC schools (off hand I don't recall any going to Clemson, which has done well in other parts of FL).

And that is the real issue. From a recruiting perspective, the State of Miami no longer exists. Kids can go to other places and more importantly, the University administration doesn't want the kids that defined 'da U' on cam pus anymore. I honestly think Miami will be in the same place GT is in 15 years.
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(09-03-2014 08:04 PM)vandiver49 Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 07:18 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 06:13 PM)Indytarheel Wrote:  
(09-03-2014 03:37 PM)mj4life Wrote:  Under normal circumstances I would say 4 yrs is long enough but Golden inherited a mess. The NCAA cloud has been around for most of his tenure, so I would at least give him until the end of next season provided the wheels don't fall off. The U's fans & former players need to accept that the good old days are a thing of the past & probably won't be tolerated by the University any more.

Normally, I would agree about the NCAA cloud, etc. However, those cats don't care about that. There really isn't another university that dominates there backyard like the U. The talent is there. Maybe their national recruiting fell off due to the NCAA mess but they still had a bunch of talent in their backyard. Maybe the Shannon fire didn't sit to well with the local coaches but there is no reason for the U to be down.

Well, Miami doesn't "dominate" south Florida recruiting. They obviously do well at it, but they lose plenty of guys to FSU, Bama, UF and other SEC schools (off hand I don't recall any going to Clemson, which has done well in other parts of FL).

And that is the real issue. From a recruiting perspective, the State of Miami no longer exists. Kids can go to other places and more importantly, the University administration doesn't want the kids that defined 'da U' on cam pus anymore. I honestly think Miami will be in the same place GT is in 15 years.

You can make the argument they have already been in the same place as GT results-wise. Well, except for the fact GT has won the division multiple times.
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Al Golden is a wonderful human being who should be the head coach at Miami forever.
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I think if Miami works out its QB situation then they will be fine. Kaaya played well but was put in a tough situation for his first game. What helped our D was being able to focus on Johnson. After a few more games when Kaaya gets comfortable & Golden can open up the O some more then the Canes will be fine.

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RE: At what point does Al Golden's seat get warm?
Perhaps the question is more like this: How many thugs that should not be in a university can you hide at your university at one time?

With the mammoth defensive tackle who can barely read as the stereotype, how many of these guys can you bank, move through your university, and deal with their shenanigans before they become more trouble than they are worth?

It's always going to be more difficult to hide one of these behemoths at a STEM, and it's become difficult to hide them at private universities where the other students help to report on them through social media.

If you have too many, they can form their own group, but if you have just a handful, other groups can modify their behaviors.

Say what you will about the current Miami administration, but it's obvious they will not allow they type of kids into the program that they allowed in the 80's and 90's, en mass.

I think you can tolerate perhaps 3 of these guys at one time before it become a problem at all but the largest non-STEMs.
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