(09-02-2014 12:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 10:58 AM)upstater1 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 10:42 AM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 09:50 AM)john01992 Wrote:  Looking forward to this. SU recruits Florida hard so it's a win-win for both.

Though I wonder how UCONN fans are feeling about this...

We are fine with it. We miss playing Syracuse in basketball. In football, however, we would rather have Rutgers if we are playing an old Big East team from our region or Louisville (or perhaps West Virginia) if we are playing an old Big East foe from out of our region.

I definitely agree that UConn fans consider Rutgers much more of a football rival.

For some reason, a football rivalry never developed with Syracuse. Don't know why. The Rutgers games were almost always very contested. From the beginning.

UConn and Syracuse have had drab games over the last 1 years. Off the top of my head, I think UConn is 6-3 against Syracuse. And many of those wins were total blowouts. The weird thing is that I believe the 3 Syracuse wins were also blowouts.

Whereas the Rutgers games always seem to go down to the very last play.

I think the reason a rivalry never developed is because SU never needed one. We are over saturated with rivals as things stand now and trying to force one with UCONN was just never going to work out. You a need mutual interest to get one to work, and if RU never really developed into a true rivalry despite us playing them practically every year for the last 3 decades, UCONN had no chance.

UCONN & RU have geography, culture, and a natural lacking of true rivals to make a rivalry work prior to 2014. But now their goal is building on their UMD & PSU rivalries.

The games were blowouts. That's why.

(09-02-2014 12:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 09:59 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  This is a nice h&h pick up with a very beatable P5 team.

I have to laugh at this, seeing USF and UConn were in the same conference as Syracuse for so long, and usually defeated Cuse to boot. What, suddenly now they are this all powerful team now that they have a new patch on their jersey? Teams like Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers, USF, UCF...you can all throw them in a hat and pull one out and they are all the same.

USF was 6-2 against Syracuse in the Big East, I believe.

This is a good game for both schools, however.

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 09:59 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  This is a nice h&h pick up with a very beatable P5 team.

I have to laugh at this, seeing USF and UConn were in the same conference as Syracuse for so long, and usually defeated Cuse to boot. What, suddenly now they are this all powerful team now that they have a new patch on their jersey? Teams like Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers, USF, UCF...you can all throw them in a hat and pull one out and they are all the same.

USF was 6-2 against Syracuse in the Big East, I believe.

This is a good game for both schools, however.

^THIS!

Also, apart from Rutgers in the old Big East, UConn fans really enjoyed (and now still enjoy) playing USF. There were a lot of games between UConn and USF with a lot of amazing plays and unexpected outcomes.

We also enjoyed playing WVU for the challenge (UConn lost all except for one) and playing Louisville due to their bowl success (we still almost split all wins evenly with them). Cincy was (and still is) less enjoyable as we have historically not matched up well with them.

As for Cuse and Pitt, both teams weren't that much of a football rival since they weren't that much of a challenge. We owned Cuse 6-3 and Pitt was unpredictable (either terrible or mid-pack in the conference, and they always underperformed in their bowl games).

I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

For a school that joined the BE in 2004, it sure owned Syracuse.

(09-02-2014 12:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:22 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:17 PM)john01992 Wrote:  SU still beats them in every category, plus they technically are not a G5 school, and if you wanna get really technical the AAC considers them a power school.

And seriously, anyone with a hint of football knowledge knows they are the exception and not reflective of 95% of G5 schools.

LOL. Don't get all defensive. Syracuse has a lot of great history but the reality is that they haven't done much since the McNabb years. Most of the schools you call G5 haven't been around for as long as Cuse. As for BYU last I check everyone has them as not part of the Greedy 5
You can thank Cuse's past history for joining the Greedy 5 because in the recent years they haven't done much yo earn it. But I can also name other Greedy 5 hangers on. It is what it is.

how many G5 schools have beaten 3 P5 programs in their bowl games in the past four years. I'm not getting defensive, your argument is just a joke. Again, historic rivalries & fanbase size DOES MATTER. for some reason only G5 fans seem to omit this obvious detail.

Just an FYI for all technical purposes, BYU is not in the G5 or the P5 due to their independent status.

Technicality. You know full well BYU is not part of the Greedy 5 with that said off the top of my head Boise has beaten 3 P5 in past 5 years. Lot of that was due to bowl match ups Cuse being in a big East got more of those match ups than the others.

I'm not debating at Cuse has a rich history but the reality is that they haven't been all that recently. Hell is one of the few BE schools USF dominated on the field

well they have 3 bowl wins over P5 teams in the past four years. I'd say their athletic program isn't anywhere near as bad as you claim it is.

Against mediocre teams.
Last time Cuse had 9 or more wins was 2001
You know how many AAC schools have reached that since that time?
UC 6 times
Tulsa 5
UCF 4
ECU 3
Houston 3
USF 3
UConn 2
Memphis 1

(09-02-2014 12:36 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 09:59 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  This is a nice h&h pick up with a very beatable P5 team.

I have to laugh at this, seeing USF and UConn were in the same conference as Syracuse for so long, and usually defeated Cuse to boot. What, suddenly now they are this all powerful team now that they have a new patch on their jersey? Teams like Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers, USF, UCF...you can all throw them in a hat and pull one out and they are all the same.

USF was 6-2 against Syracuse in the Big East, I believe.

This is a good game for both schools, however.

^THIS!

Also, apart from Rutgers in the old Big East, UConn fans really enjoyed (and now still enjoy) playing USF. There were a lot of games between UConn and USF with a lot of amazing plays and unexpected outcomes.

We also enjoyed playing WVU for the challenge (UConn lost all except for one) and playing Louisville due to their bowl success (we still almost split all wins evenly with them). Cincy was (and still is) less enjoyable as we have historically not matched up well with them.

As for Cuse and Pitt, both teams weren't that much of a football rival since they weren't that much of a challenge. We owned Cuse 6-3 and Pitt was unpredictable (either terrible or mid-pack in the conference, and they always underperformed in their bowl games).

I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

John - your a known UConn hater/Syracuse apologist so I am not surprised you refuse to accept that UConn only has X amount of years playing Syracuse at an FBS level to to compare and contrast against.

I congratulate Syracuse on playing football at a higher level earlier on that Syracuse. I congratulate them on their successes from years ago as well. Unfortunately that headstart did not translate into better performance, which begs the question why should Syracuse be so respected by Uconn fans, while all we have witnessed first hand is mediocre-terrible teams.

I think where UCONN fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "yeah UCONN beat SU during the BE days" but they casually (and conveniently) omit that that was SU's worst decade in program history. I mean seriously, do you really think UCONN had a chance against SU last year? Football cycles guys, only a UCONN fan thinks the mid 2000s is the typical expectation for SU football.

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 09:59 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  This is a nice h&h pick up with a very beatable P5 team.

I have to laugh at this, seeing USF and UConn were in the same conference as Syracuse for so long, and usually defeated Cuse to boot. What, suddenly now they are this all powerful team now that they have a new patch on their jersey? Teams like Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers, USF, UCF...you can all throw them in a hat and pull one out and they are all the same.

USF was 6-2 against Syracuse in the Big East, I believe.

This is a good game for both schools, however.

^THIS!

Also, apart from Rutgers in the old Big East, UConn fans really enjoyed (and now still enjoy) playing USF. There were a lot of games between UConn and USF with a lot of amazing plays and unexpected outcomes.

We also enjoyed playing WVU for the challenge (UConn lost all except for one) and playing Louisville due to their bowl success (we still almost split all wins evenly with them). Cincy was (and still is) less enjoyable as we have historically not matched up well with them.

As for Cuse and Pitt, both teams weren't that much of a football rival since they weren't that much of a challenge. We owned Cuse 6-3 and Pitt was unpredictable (either terrible or mid-pack in the conference, and they always underperformed in their bowl games).

I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

No, I think that what is comes down to is Syracuse fans' inability to comprehend that football CONTINUED past 1998. While Syracuse had a fine history last century, Donovan McNabb isn’t walking through that door.

As for media market/fanbase, UConn has more football fans following them in NYC than Syracuse does:
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...ent-chaos/

Also, at least one-third of Connecticut's population is actually living IN the NYC television market (see actual NYC television market map below). None of Syracuse is located in that market (Cuse is 250 miles north of NYC).




The other two-thirds of Connecticut NOT living in the NYC media market are in the Hartford-New Haven market (the 30th largest in the country and a market that is larger than Kansas City, Salt Lake City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, and San Antonio):
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corpo...-Ranks.pdf

Cuse fans have a lot of negative opinions on UConn. Thankfully, none of those opinions are rooted in facts.

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:36 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I have to laugh at this, seeing USF and UConn were in the same conference as Syracuse for so long, and usually defeated Cuse to boot. What, suddenly now they are this all powerful team now that they have a new patch on their jersey? Teams like Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers, USF, UCF...you can all throw them in a hat and pull one out and they are all the same.

USF was 6-2 against Syracuse in the Big East, I believe.

This is a good game for both schools, however.

^THIS!

Also, apart from Rutgers in the old Big East, UConn fans really enjoyed (and now still enjoy) playing USF. There were a lot of games between UConn and USF with a lot of amazing plays and unexpected outcomes.

We also enjoyed playing WVU for the challenge (UConn lost all except for one) and playing Louisville due to their bowl success (we still almost split all wins evenly with them). Cincy was (and still is) less enjoyable as we have historically not matched up well with them.

As for Cuse and Pitt, both teams weren't that much of a football rival since they weren't that much of a challenge. We owned Cuse 6-3 and Pitt was unpredictable (either terrible or mid-pack in the conference, and they always underperformed in their bowl games).

I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

John - your a known UConn hater/Syracuse apologist so I am not surprised you refuse to accept that UConn only has X amount of years playing Syracuse at an FBS level to to compare and contrast against.

I congratulate Syracuse on playing football at a higher level earlier on that Syracuse. I congratulate them on their successes from years ago as well. Unfortunately that headstart did not translate into better performance, which begs the question why should Syracuse be so respected by Uconn fans, while all we have witnessed first hand is mediocre-terrible teams.

I think where UCONN fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "yeah UCONN beat SU during the BE days" but they casually (and conveniently) omit that that was SU's worst decade in program history. I mean seriously, do you really think UCONN had a chance against SU last year? Football cycles guys, only a UCONN fan thinks the mid 2000s is the typical expectation for SU football.

I think where Syracuse fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "football cycles guys" when it comes to Syracuse improving after a down period. Yet that same logic apparently doesn't apply to UConn.

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:22 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  LOL. Don't get all defensive. Syracuse has a lot of great history but the reality is that they haven't done much since the McNabb years. Most of the schools you call G5 haven't been around for as long as Cuse. As for BYU last I check everyone has them as not part of the Greedy 5
You can thank Cuse's past history for joining the Greedy 5 because in the recent years they haven't done much yo earn it. But I can also name other Greedy 5 hangers on. It is what it is.

how many G5 schools have beaten 3 P5 programs in their bowl games in the past four years. I'm not getting defensive, your argument is just a joke. Again, historic rivalries & fanbase size DOES MATTER. for some reason only G5 fans seem to omit this obvious detail.

Just an FYI for all technical purposes, BYU is not in the G5 or the P5 due to their independent status.

Technicality. You know full well BYU is not part of the Greedy 5 with that said off the top of my head Boise has beaten 3 P5 in past 5 years. Lot of that was due to bowl match ups Cuse being in a big East got more of those match ups than the others.

I'm not debating at Cuse has a rich history but the reality is that they haven't been all that recently. Hell is one of the few BE schools USF dominated on the field

well they have 3 bowl wins over P5 teams in the past four years. I'd say their athletic program isn't anywhere near as bad as you claim it is.

Against mediocre teams.
Last time Cuse had 9 or more wins was 2001
You know how many AAC schools have reached that since that time?
UC 6 times
Tulsa 5
UCF 4
ECU 3
Houston 3
USF 3
UConn 2
Memphis 1

LMAO, are we really gonna go down this road. Sorry Bull but your homerism is really starting to show because this is a talking point that respectable journalists NEVER make.

1. quality of schedule dummy. SU played in a BCS/P5 conference whereas 100% of the time whereas those teams played in the BCS/P5 conference only a fraction of the time.

2. that was SU's worst decade.

3. SU is known to play tough schedules and never cupcakes their way through their OOC. They play P5/BCS programs OOC as frequently as they play g5/non BCS programs.

(09-02-2014 12:54 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:36 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  ^THIS!

Also, apart from Rutgers in the old Big East, UConn fans really enjoyed (and now still enjoy) playing USF. There were a lot of games between UConn and USF with a lot of amazing plays and unexpected outcomes.

We also enjoyed playing WVU for the challenge (UConn lost all except for one) and playing Louisville due to their bowl success (we still almost split all wins evenly with them). Cincy was (and still is) less enjoyable as we have historically not matched up well with them.

As for Cuse and Pitt, both teams weren't that much of a football rival since they weren't that much of a challenge. We owned Cuse 6-3 and Pitt was unpredictable (either terrible or mid-pack in the conference, and they always underperformed in their bowl games).

I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

John - your a known UConn hater/Syracuse apologist so I am not surprised you refuse to accept that UConn only has X amount of years playing Syracuse at an FBS level to to compare and contrast against.

I congratulate Syracuse on playing football at a higher level earlier on that Syracuse. I congratulate them on their successes from years ago as well. Unfortunately that headstart did not translate into better performance, which begs the question why should Syracuse be so respected by Uconn fans, while all we have witnessed first hand is mediocre-terrible teams.

I think where UCONN fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "yeah UCONN beat SU during the BE days" but they casually (and conveniently) omit that that was SU's worst decade in program history. I mean seriously, do you really think UCONN had a chance against SU last year? Football cycles guys, only a UCONN fan thinks the mid 2000s is the typical expectation for SU football.

I think where Syracuse fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "football cycles guys" when it comes to Syracuse improving after a down period. Yet that same logic apparently doesn't apply to UConn.

UCONN literally has no standard to compare to. Now correct me if I'm wrong...

but isn't UCONNs all time winning percentage .485???

They don't have a high standard in the same manner that SU does.

(09-02-2014 12:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:26 PM)john01992 Wrote:  how many G5 schools have beaten 3 P5 programs in their bowl games in the past four years. I'm not getting defensive, your argument is just a joke. Again, historic rivalries & fanbase size DOES MATTER. for some reason only G5 fans seem to omit this obvious detail.

Just an FYI for all technical purposes, BYU is not in the G5 or the P5 due to their independent status.

Technicality. You know full well BYU is not part of the Greedy 5 with that said off the top of my head Boise has beaten 3 P5 in past 5 years. Lot of that was due to bowl match ups Cuse being in a big East got more of those match ups than the others.

I'm not debating at Cuse has a rich history but the reality is that they haven't been all that recently. Hell is one of the few BE schools USF dominated on the field

well they have 3 bowl wins over P5 teams in the past four years. I'd say their athletic program isn't anywhere near as bad as you claim it is.

Against mediocre teams.
Last time Cuse had 9 or more wins was 2001
You know how many AAC schools have reached that since that time?
UC 6 times
Tulsa 5
UCF 4
ECU 3
Houston 3
USF 3
UConn 2
Memphis 1

LMAO, are we really gonna go down this road. Sorry Bull but your homerism is really starting to show because this is a talking point that respectable journalists NEVER make.

1. quality of schedule dummy. SU played in a BCS/P5 conference whereas 100% of the time whereas those teams played in the BCS/P5 conference only a fraction of the time.

2. that was SU's worst decade.

3. SU is known to play tough schedules and never cupcakes their way through their OOC. They play P5/BCS programs OOC as frequently as they play g5/non BCS programs.

Ok how about this
Since 2000 Cuse's record vs CURRENT AAC schools is 17-23
In the past 4 years Cuse's record vs CURRENT AAC schools 5-5

Would you say that's head and shoulders over the AAC?

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:36 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I have to laugh at this, seeing USF and UConn were in the same conference as Syracuse for so long, and usually defeated Cuse to boot. What, suddenly now they are this all powerful team now that they have a new patch on their jersey? Teams like Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers, USF, UCF...you can all throw them in a hat and pull one out and they are all the same.

USF was 6-2 against Syracuse in the Big East, I believe.

This is a good game for both schools, however.

^THIS!

Also, apart from Rutgers in the old Big East, UConn fans really enjoyed (and now still enjoy) playing USF. There were a lot of games between UConn and USF with a lot of amazing plays and unexpected outcomes.

We also enjoyed playing WVU for the challenge (UConn lost all except for one) and playing Louisville due to their bowl success (we still almost split all wins evenly with them). Cincy was (and still is) less enjoyable as we have historically not matched up well with them.

As for Cuse and Pitt, both teams weren't that much of a football rival since they weren't that much of a challenge. We owned Cuse 6-3 and Pitt was unpredictable (either terrible or mid-pack in the conference, and they always underperformed in their bowl games).

I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

John - your a known UConn hater/Syracuse apologist so I am not surprised you refuse to accept that UConn only has X amount of years playing Syracuse at an FBS level to to compare and contrast against.

I congratulate Syracuse on playing football at a higher level earlier on that Syracuse. I congratulate them on their successes from years ago as well. Unfortunately that headstart did not translate into better performance, which begs the question why should Syracuse be so respected by Uconn fans, while all we have witnessed first hand is mediocre-terrible teams.

I think where UCONN fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "yeah UCONN beat SU during the BE days" but they casually (and conveniently) omit that that was SU's worst decade in program history. I mean seriously, do you really think UCONN had a chance against SU last year? Football cycles guys, only a UCONN fan thinks the mid 2000s is the typical expectation for SU football.

Please explain what Syracuse's huge market is? Syracuse has about 400,000 people in its DMA and NYC clearly doesn't care about SU football, even when playing against USC.

(09-02-2014 12:51 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 09:59 AM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  This is a nice h&h pick up with a very beatable P5 team.

I have to laugh at this, seeing USF and UConn were in the same conference as Syracuse for so long, and usually defeated Cuse to boot. What, suddenly now they are this all powerful team now that they have a new patch on their jersey? Teams like Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers, USF, UCF...you can all throw them in a hat and pull one out and they are all the same.

USF was 6-2 against Syracuse in the Big East, I believe.

This is a good game for both schools, however.

^THIS!

Also, apart from Rutgers in the old Big East, UConn fans really enjoyed (and now still enjoy) playing USF. There were a lot of games between UConn and USF with a lot of amazing plays and unexpected outcomes.

We also enjoyed playing WVU for the challenge (UConn lost all except for one) and playing Louisville due to their bowl success (we still almost split all wins evenly with them). Cincy was (and still is) less enjoyable as we have historically not matched up well with them.

As for Cuse and Pitt, both teams weren't that much of a football rival since they weren't that much of a challenge. We owned Cuse 6-3 and Pitt was unpredictable (either terrible or mid-pack in the conference, and they always underperformed in their bowl games).

I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

No, I think that what is comes down to is Syracuse fans' inability to comprehend that football CONTINUED past 1998. While Syracuse had a fine history last century, Donovan McNabb isn’t walking through that door.

As for media market/fanbase, UConn has more football fans following them in NYC than Syracuse does:
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...ent-chaos/

Also, at least one-third of Connecticut's population is actually living IN the NYC television market (see actual NYC television market map below). None of Syracuse is located in that market (Cuse is 250 miles north of NYC).




The other two-thirds of Connecticut NOT living in the NYC media market are in the Hartford-New Haven market (the 30th largest in the country and a market that is larger than Kansas City, Salt Lake City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, and San Antonio):
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corpo...-Ranks.pdf

Cuse fans have a lot of negative opinions on UConn. Thankfully, none of those opinions are rooted in facts.

yet UCONN fans can't seem to comprehend that football continued after 2010

I mean seriously your argument is comparing a private school located 4 hrs from NYC to a public located 2 hrs from NYC and using that as the area to measure fans which is a joke in itself, but on top of that you use hilariously flawed data to make a hilariously flawed argument.

(09-02-2014 12:58 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:54 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:36 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

John - your a known UConn hater/Syracuse apologist so I am not surprised you refuse to accept that UConn only has X amount of years playing Syracuse at an FBS level to to compare and contrast against.

I congratulate Syracuse on playing football at a higher level earlier on that Syracuse. I congratulate them on their successes from years ago as well. Unfortunately that headstart did not translate into better performance, which begs the question why should Syracuse be so respected by Uconn fans, while all we have witnessed first hand is mediocre-terrible teams.

I think where UCONN fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "yeah UCONN beat SU during the BE days" but they casually (and conveniently) omit that that was SU's worst decade in program history. I mean seriously, do you really think UCONN had a chance against SU last year? Football cycles guys, only a UCONN fan thinks the mid 2000s is the typical expectation for SU football.

I think where Syracuse fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "football cycles guys" when it comes to Syracuse improving after a down period. Yet that same logic apparently doesn't apply to UConn.

UCONN literally has no standard to compare to. Now correct me if I'm wrong...

but isn't UCONNs all time winning percentage .485???

They don't have a high standard in the same manner that SU does.

So, since I proved you wrong with data on your market/fanbase argument, you go to all time win percentage.

True, UConn does have a .485 all time win percentage. Syracuse has a .580 all time win percentage. Whoopty-do. For every 10 games played, UConn won almost five and Syracuse won almost six. In a 12 game season, that translates to a whopping 1.14 more wins per season for Cuse. Wow. I am so impressed! I guess the difference makes Cuse a powerhouse!

(09-02-2014 01:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:51 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:04 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  I have to laugh at this, seeing USF and UConn were in the same conference as Syracuse for so long, and usually defeated Cuse to boot. What, suddenly now they are this all powerful team now that they have a new patch on their jersey? Teams like Syracuse, Pitt, UConn, Rutgers, USF, UCF...you can all throw them in a hat and pull one out and they are all the same.

USF was 6-2 against Syracuse in the Big East, I believe.

This is a good game for both schools, however.

^THIS!

Also, apart from Rutgers in the old Big East, UConn fans really enjoyed (and now still enjoy) playing USF. There were a lot of games between UConn and USF with a lot of amazing plays and unexpected outcomes.

We also enjoyed playing WVU for the challenge (UConn lost all except for one) and playing Louisville due to their bowl success (we still almost split all wins evenly with them). Cincy was (and still is) less enjoyable as we have historically not matched up well with them.

As for Cuse and Pitt, both teams weren't that much of a football rival since they weren't that much of a challenge. We owned Cuse 6-3 and Pitt was unpredictable (either terrible or mid-pack in the conference, and they always underperformed in their bowl games).

I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

No, I think that what is comes down to is Syracuse fans' inability to comprehend that football CONTINUED past 1998. While Syracuse had a fine history last century, Donovan McNabb isn’t walking through that door.

As for media market/fanbase, UConn has more football fans following them in NYC than Syracuse does:
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...ent-chaos/

Also, at least one-third of Connecticut's population is actually living IN the NYC television market (see actual NYC television market map below). None of Syracuse is located in that market (Cuse is 250 miles north of NYC).




The other two-thirds of Connecticut NOT living in the NYC media market are in the Hartford-New Haven market (the 30th largest in the country and a market that is larger than Kansas City, Salt Lake City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, and San Antonio):
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corpo...-Ranks.pdf

Cuse fans have a lot of negative opinions on UConn. Thankfully, none of those opinions are rooted in facts.

yet UCONN fans can't seem to comprehend that football continued after 2010

I mean seriously your argument is comparing a private school located 4 hrs from NYC to a public located 2 hrs from NYC and using that as the area to measure fans which is a joke in itself, but on top of that you use hilariously flawed data to make a hilariously flawed argument.

Then give me data to back your arguments, John. Go ahead. Prove my "flawed data" wrong with your own data (be sure to provide links as your opinion alone is worthless in this argument)

Typical Cuse fan - a lot of swagger, but nothing to back it up.

(09-02-2014 01:08 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:58 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:54 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:36 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  John - your a known UConn hater/Syracuse apologist so I am not surprised you refuse to accept that UConn only has X amount of years playing Syracuse at an FBS level to to compare and contrast against.

I congratulate Syracuse on playing football at a higher level earlier on that Syracuse. I congratulate them on their successes from years ago as well. Unfortunately that headstart did not translate into better performance, which begs the question why should Syracuse be so respected by Uconn fans, while all we have witnessed first hand is mediocre-terrible teams.

I think where UCONN fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "yeah UCONN beat SU during the BE days" but they casually (and conveniently) omit that that was SU's worst decade in program history. I mean seriously, do you really think UCONN had a chance against SU last year? Football cycles guys, only a UCONN fan thinks the mid 2000s is the typical expectation for SU football.

I think where Syracuse fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "football cycles guys" when it comes to Syracuse improving after a down period. Yet that same logic apparently doesn't apply to UConn.

UCONN literally has no standard to compare to. Now correct me if I'm wrong...

but isn't UCONNs all time winning percentage .485???

They don't have a high standard in the same manner that SU does.

So, since I proved you wrong with data on your market/fanbase argument, you go to all time win percentage.

True, UConn does have a .485 all time win percentage. Syracuse has a .580 all time win percentage. Whoopty-do. For every 10 games played, UConn won almost five and Syracuse won almost six. In a 12 game season, that translates to a whopping 1.14 more wins per season for Cuse. Wow. I am so impressed! I guess the difference makes Cuse a powerhouse!

I forgot how entertaining arguing with John is. Everytime someone makes a point contrary to his he either calls it stupid, flawed, a turn down stupid road, or just changes the topic all together.

EDIT: I forgot "total joke" See example directly below.

(09-02-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:33 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  Technicality. You know full well BYU is not part of the Greedy 5 with that said off the top of my head Boise has beaten 3 P5 in past 5 years. Lot of that was due to bowl match ups Cuse being in a big East got more of those match ups than the others.

I'm not debating at Cuse has a rich history but the reality is that they haven't been all that recently. Hell is one of the few BE schools USF dominated on the field

well they have 3 bowl wins over P5 teams in the past four years. I'd say their athletic program isn't anywhere near as bad as you claim it is.

Against mediocre teams.
Last time Cuse had 9 or more wins was 2001
You know how many AAC schools have reached that since that time?
UC 6 times
Tulsa 5
UCF 4
ECU 3
Houston 3
USF 3
UConn 2
Memphis 1

LMAO, are we really gonna go down this road. Sorry Bull but your homerism is really starting to show because this is a talking point that respectable journalists NEVER make.

1. quality of schedule dummy. SU played in a BCS/P5 conference whereas 100% of the time whereas those teams played in the BCS/P5 conference only a fraction of the time.

2. that was SU's worst decade.

3. SU is known to play tough schedules and never cupcakes their way through their OOC. They play P5/BCS programs OOC as frequently as they play g5/non BCS programs.

Ok how about this
Since 2000 Cuse's record vs CURRENT AAC schools is 17-23
In the past 4 years Cuse's record vs CURRENT AAC schools 5-5

Would you say that's head and shoulders over the AAC?

It's funny how you like to keep using the "since 2000s" knowing full well that that decade is the worst in our program history.

of the 5 losses that SU had to a current AAC school, three of them came in 2010, the year we finished 5-7. Face it, your argument is a total joke.

(09-02-2014 01:12 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:08 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:58 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:54 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)john01992 Wrote:  I think where UCONN fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "yeah UCONN beat SU during the BE days" but they casually (and conveniently) omit that that was SU's worst decade in program history. I mean seriously, do you really think UCONN had a chance against SU last year? Football cycles guys, only a UCONN fan thinks the mid 2000s is the typical expectation for SU football.

I think where Syracuse fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "football cycles guys" when it comes to Syracuse improving after a down period. Yet that same logic apparently doesn't apply to UConn.

UCONN literally has no standard to compare to. Now correct me if I'm wrong...

but isn't UCONNs all time winning percentage .485???

They don't have a high standard in the same manner that SU does.

So, since I proved you wrong with data on your market/fanbase argument, you go to all time win percentage.

True, UConn does have a .485 all time win percentage. Syracuse has a .580 all time win percentage. Whoopty-do. For every 10 games played, UConn won almost five and Syracuse won almost six. In a 12 game season, that translates to a whopping 1.14 more wins per season for Cuse. Wow. I am so impressed! I guess the difference makes Cuse a powerhouse!

I forgot how entertaining arguing with John is. Everytime someone makes a point contrary to his he either calls it stupid, flawed, a turn down stupid road, or just changes the topic all together.

Dude, he posted what is arguably the dumbest & most hated link measuring CFB fanbase size. It is so flawed that no one takes it seriously. He only proved his own stupidity when he posted that link, he did nothing to forward his own argument.

(09-02-2014 01:12 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:07 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:51 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:23 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:19 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  ^THIS!

Also, apart from Rutgers in the old Big East, UConn fans really enjoyed (and now still enjoy) playing USF. There were a lot of games between UConn and USF with a lot of amazing plays and unexpected outcomes.

We also enjoyed playing WVU for the challenge (UConn lost all except for one) and playing Louisville due to their bowl success (we still almost split all wins evenly with them). Cincy was (and still is) less enjoyable as we have historically not matched up well with them.

As for Cuse and Pitt, both teams weren't that much of a football rival since they weren't that much of a challenge. We owned Cuse 6-3 and Pitt was unpredictable (either terrible or mid-pack in the conference, and they always underperformed in their bowl games).

I think what it comes down is UCONN fans inability to comprehend that football existed before the year 2000 and that market/fanbase matters as well.

No, I think that what is comes down to is Syracuse fans' inability to comprehend that football CONTINUED past 1998. While Syracuse had a fine history last century, Donovan McNabb isn’t walking through that door.

As for media market/fanbase, UConn has more football fans following them in NYC than Syracuse does:
http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09...ent-chaos/

Also, at least one-third of Connecticut's population is actually living IN the NYC television market (see actual NYC television market map below). None of Syracuse is located in that market (Cuse is 250 miles north of NYC).




The other two-thirds of Connecticut NOT living in the NYC media market are in the Hartford-New Haven market (the 30th largest in the country and a market that is larger than Kansas City, Salt Lake City, Milwaukee, Cincinnati, and San Antonio):
http://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/corpo...-Ranks.pdf

Cuse fans have a lot of negative opinions on UConn. Thankfully, none of those opinions are rooted in facts.

yet UCONN fans can't seem to comprehend that football continued after 2010

I mean seriously your argument is comparing a private school located 4 hrs from NYC to a public located 2 hrs from NYC and using that as the area to measure fans which is a joke in itself, but on top of that you use hilariously flawed data to make a hilariously flawed argument.

Then give me data to back your arguments, John. Go ahead. Prove my "flawed data" wrong with your own data (be sure to provide links as your opinion alone is worthless in this argument)

Typical Cuse fan - a lot of swagger, but nothing to back it up.

Your link says auburn has a bigger fanbase than bama

I think that is really all that needs to be said.

And just an FYI THAT SAME LINK says SU's total fanbase is larger than UCONNs and yet you completely omitted that and changed it to "just NYC" because that is the only argument you had.

further proof that you are just a troll, using selective information and intentionally blotting on the truth in favor of your own inaccurate talking points.

(09-02-2014 01:13 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:55 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:50 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:47 PM)john01992 Wrote:  well they have 3 bowl wins over P5 teams in the past four years. I'd say their athletic program isn't anywhere near as bad as you claim it is.

Against mediocre teams.
Last time Cuse had 9 or more wins was 2001
You know how many AAC schools have reached that since that time?
UC 6 times
Tulsa 5
UCF 4
ECU 3
Houston 3
USF 3
UConn 2
Memphis 1

LMAO, are we really gonna go down this road. Sorry Bull but your homerism is really starting to show because this is a talking point that respectable journalists NEVER make.

1. quality of schedule dummy. SU played in a BCS/P5 conference whereas 100% of the time whereas those teams played in the BCS/P5 conference only a fraction of the time.

2. that was SU's worst decade.

3. SU is known to play tough schedules and never cupcakes their way through their OOC. They play P5/BCS programs OOC as frequently as they play g5/non BCS programs.

Ok how about this
Since 2000 Cuse's record vs CURRENT AAC schools is 17-23
In the past 4 years Cuse's record vs CURRENT AAC schools 5-5

Would you say that's head and shoulders over the AAC?

It's funny how you like to keep using the "since 2000s" knowing full well that that decade is the worst in our program history.

of the 5 losses that SU had to a current AAC school, three of them came in 2010, the year we finished 5-7. Face it, your argument is a total joke.

I'm done, yes Cuse has been awesome recently.

(09-02-2014 01:14 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:12 PM)Hank Schrader Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 01:08 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:58 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:54 PM)UConnHusky Wrote:  I think where Syracuse fans take a turn down the stupid road is this notion that "football cycles guys" when it comes to Syracuse improving after a down period. Yet that same logic apparently doesn't apply to UConn.

UCONN literally has no standard to compare to. Now correct me if I'm wrong...

but isn't UCONNs all time winning percentage .485???

They don't have a high standard in the same manner that SU does.

So, since I proved you wrong with data on your market/fanbase argument, you go to all time win percentage.

True, UConn does have a .485 all time win percentage. Syracuse has a .580 all time win percentage. Whoopty-do. For every 10 games played, UConn won almost five and Syracuse won almost six. In a 12 game season, that translates to a whopping 1.14 more wins per season for Cuse. Wow. I am so impressed! I guess the difference makes Cuse a powerhouse!

I forgot how entertaining arguing with John is. Everytime someone makes a point contrary to his he either calls it stupid, flawed, a turn down stupid road, or just changes the topic all together.

Dude, he posted what is arguably the dumbest & most hated link measuring CFB fanbase size. It is so flawed that no one takes it seriously. He only proved his own stupidity when he posted that link, he did nothing to forward his own argument.

Admittedly, the fanbase size link is slightly flawed (however, they are no other MORE accurate ones out there either). However, that link aside, I still OWN you with my other arguments (as they are factual). The reality is that in 2014, Syracuse football is just not important on a national scale. 1998 was a LONG time ago.

So, can you back up a point with anything other than "you're stupid" or "nah-nah-nah-nah-NAH-nah"? Nope, you can't. You are as full of hot air as Jim Boeheim is come NCAA Tournament time! All hat, no cattle!!!