(09-02-2014 09:32 AM)Bull Wrote:  Cuban I recall some internet chatter/rumor (or total BS) about a year ago that USF was 'looking' at a spot west of campus near the VA. Wanted it visible from I275. I don't see anything though, the Wal Mart may have chewed up that location.

Are we absolutely certain that a relatively small portion of LLP cannot be used? Laws/restrictions can certainly be changed if enough people want it.

Certainly anything is possible. But from everyone that I have spoken at USF the plan is right next to the SunDome where players and coaches can walk to stadium from the Athletic Facility. Also the location you are asking it's not attached to the campus so defeats the purpose of an OCS.

I agree, just somethign I'd heard. Copy on Sun Dome location, thanks.

Just for fun, I dropped Papajohns Cardinals stadium on the USF campus map (same scale). There are actually several places along campus that the stadium would appear to fit, without demolishing anything existing. I don't think our situation is nearly as bad (with respect to space options) as everyone thinks. In fact, it could be dropped onto the south part of the golf course without encroaching at all onto LLP. There are certainly enough golf courses around Tampa, we could give that up if we had to... :-D

(09-02-2014 09:43 AM)Bull Wrote:  I agree, just somethign I'd heard. Copy on Sun Dome location, thanks.

Just for fun, I dropped Papajohns Cardinals stadium on the USF campus map (same scale). There are actually several places along campus that the stadium would appear to fit, without demolishing anything existing. I don't think our situation is nearly as bad (with respect to space options) as everyone thinks. In fact, it could be dropped onto the south part of the golf course without encroaching at all onto LLP. There are certainly enough golf courses around Tampa, we could give that up if we had to... :-D

Yes but the southeast section is what I have heard because it allows many different ways in and out. Directly to Fowler and down 30th street to Fletcher.
Also from what I have heard there could be a parking lot built between the Sun Dome and the stadium where the current parking lot is at. That location would allow lots of parking from nearby areas.
But nothing is set at this time. I'm sure if the Big12 came in and say you need to have an OCS for us to add you the plan would move fast.

(08-31-2014 10:15 PM)St. H. Gink Wrote:  I believe FAU was also built on an abandoned military airfield.

So was Camp Randall Stadium for Wisconsin.

I'd imagine USF would have a few options given their ample space, not sure if they've got as much as UCF, but both of our schools are lucky in that we are nowhere near as trapped as. Cincy or other schools like them. Hope you guys get it sooner rather than later, it changes a program.

Wait, if USF is next to a former AFB shouldn't they instead allow planes to fly in and have flygating or something like that?

(09-02-2014 11:13 AM)mlb Wrote:  Wait, if USF is next to a former AFB shouldn't they instead allow planes to fly in and have flygating or something like that?

The base no longer exist all of the land is now used by industrial sites

What is the major hurdle that is preventing USF from building a stadium? If you have the land is it just money? You guys dont seem to be as land locked as Pitt, Temple or GSU.

(09-02-2014 12:11 PM)panama Wrote:  What is the major hurdle that is preventing USF from building a stadium? If you have the land is it just money? You guys dont seem to be as land locked as Pitt, Temple or GSU.

Right now I would say that the administration feels that playing in RJS has advantages and that the money could be better used in other facets like coaching salaries and practice facilities.

If someone came in with a large donation towards it then maybe that would kick start it. Right now I will say that unless a Greedy 5 conference told USF without an OCS there is no invite there is no rush to build.

Having RJS has allowed us to get home and home with schools like FSU that would not play us in Tampa if we had a 40-50k stadium.

** Debbie downer post **

If the Autonomy 5 do as they've been hinting and only schedule each other OOC, we may all end up needing to drop down to FCS. A 40k+ capacity OCS would look like a really bad investment then.

(09-02-2014 12:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:11 PM)panama Wrote:  What is the major hurdle that is preventing USF from building a stadium? If you have the land is it just money? You guys dont seem to be as land locked as Pitt, Temple or GSU.

Right now I would say that the administration feels that playing in RJS has advantages and that the money could be better used in other facets like coaching salaries and practice facilities.

If someone came in with a large donation towards it then maybe that would kick start it. Right now I will say that unless a Greedy 5 conference told USF without an OCS there is no invite there is no rush to build.

Having RJS has allowed us to get home and home with schools like FSU that would not play us in Tampa if we had a 40-50k stadium.

I get it. Huge investment. But I think the consensus is that most city schools are moving to an OCS. I think Houston and Tulane did a great job in being proactive. Its likely that in 10 years maybe only 5 schools will be playing in NFL/municipal stadiums.

Money and institutional commitment at the point which is likely monitoring the college football landscape over the next few years before it shells out over $120-million to build a stadium.

Our old Asst Ad once told me that we can easily coming up with a plan for half the amount and revenues streams to pay for a stadium, the other half is contingent on uncertainties and ability to attract a couple big dollar donors and naming rights. USF's position on a stadium is that it wants to do it right from the start. That is no knock on anybody else but what the university feels it needs to do if we are going away from what we currently have at RJS. IMO, we should look at what Houston has built as that place is within our target budget and a very nice facilty all the way around.

(09-02-2014 12:20 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  ** Debbie downer post **

If the Autonomy 5 do as they've been hinting and only schedule each other OOC, we may all end up needing to drop down to FCS. A 40k+ capacity OCS would look like a really bad investment then.

That wont happen. The middle and lower tier P5 schools have to play G5, period. That is why they are still scheduling games going out 7 to 9 years as we speak.

(09-02-2014 12:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:11 PM)panama Wrote:  What is the major hurdle that is preventing USF from building a stadium? If you have the land is it just money? You guys dont seem to be as land locked as Pitt, Temple or GSU.

Right now I would say that the administration feels that playing in RJS has advantages and that the money could be better used in other facets like coaching salaries and practice facilities.

If someone came in with a large donation towards it then maybe that would kick start it. Right now I will say that unless a Greedy 5 conference told USF without an OCS there is no invite there is no rush to build.

Having RJS has allowed us to get home and home with schools like FSU that would not play us in Tampa if we had a 40-50k stadium.

I get it. Huge investment. But I think the consensus is that most city schools are moving to an OCS. I think Houston and Tulane did a great job in being proactive. Its likely that in 10 years maybe only 5 schools will be playing in NFL/municipal stadiums.

Pitt and Miami are not

(09-02-2014 12:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:11 PM)panama Wrote:  What is the major hurdle that is preventing USF from building a stadium? If you have the land is it just money? You guys dont seem to be as land locked as Pitt, Temple or GSU.

Right now I would say that the administration feels that playing in RJS has advantages and that the money could be better used in other facets like coaching salaries and practice facilities.

If someone came in with a large donation towards it then maybe that would kick start it. Right now I will say that unless a Greedy 5 conference told USF without an OCS there is no invite there is no rush to build.

Having RJS has allowed us to get home and home with schools like FSU that would not play us in Tampa if we had a 40-50k stadium.

I get it. Huge investment. But I think the consensus is that most city schools are moving to an OCS. I think Houston and Tulane did a great job in being proactive. Its likely that in 10 years maybe only 5 schools will be playing in NFL/municipal stadiums.

Pitt and Miami are not

Let's also see how college football,changes over the next 5-10 years. I the P5 aggressively assert their agenda a large 50K seat stadium and huge debt service would not be worth he expense.

BTW, I know that the old administration had a stadium on their radar per conversation with Bill McGillis and knowing the kind of administrator that is Harlan there has surely been some long term strategic planning.

IMO, USF needs to focus on winning and getting our fanbase engaged again. It was not that long ago where we averaging 40k plus butts in the seats while playing a very similar schedule.

(09-02-2014 12:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:11 PM)panama Wrote:  What is the major hurdle that is preventing USF from building a stadium? If you have the land is it just money? You guys dont seem to be as land locked as Pitt, Temple or GSU.

Right now I would say that the administration feels that playing in RJS has advantages and that the money could be better used in other facets like coaching salaries and practice facilities.

If someone came in with a large donation towards it then maybe that would kick start it. Right now I will say that unless a Greedy 5 conference told USF without an OCS there is no invite there is no rush to build.

Having RJS has allowed us to get home and home with schools like FSU that would not play us in Tampa if we had a 40-50k stadium.

I get it. Huge investment. But I think the consensus is that most city schools are moving to an OCS. I think Houston and Tulane did a great job in being proactive. Its likely that in 10 years maybe only 5 schools will be playing in NFL/municipal stadiums.

Pitt and Miami are not

Miami is in a worse situation that USF. They have nowhere to build on or near campus. Plus someone signed a billion year lease to play 20 miles away. LOL.

I dont think Pitt leaves Heinz field either. They are treated extremely well there.

(09-02-2014 12:45 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:11 PM)panama Wrote:  What is the major hurdle that is preventing USF from building a stadium? If you have the land is it just money? You guys dont seem to be as land locked as Pitt, Temple or GSU.

Right now I would say that the administration feels that playing in RJS has advantages and that the money could be better used in other facets like coaching salaries and practice facilities.

If someone came in with a large donation towards it then maybe that would kick start it. Right now I will say that unless a Greedy 5 conference told USF without an OCS there is no invite there is no rush to build.

Having RJS has allowed us to get home and home with schools like FSU that would not play us in Tampa if we had a 40-50k stadium.

I get it. Huge investment. But I think the consensus is that most city schools are moving to an OCS. I think Houston and Tulane did a great job in being proactive. Its likely that in 10 years maybe only 5 schools will be playing in NFL/municipal stadiums.

Pitt and Miami are not

Miami is in a worse situation that USF. They have nowhere to build on or near campus. Plus someone signed a billion year lease to play 20 miles away. LOL.

I dont think Pitt leaves Heinz field either. They are treated extremely well there.

As Cyber said above USF is going to wait and see how the new football landscape falls out for now RJS is fine. But as I said before if having an OCS is deemed necessary to move up, you will see USF building one fast.

(09-02-2014 12:32 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  Let's also see how college football,changes over the next 5-10 years. I the P5 aggressively assert their agenda a large 50K seat stadium and huge debt service would not be worth he expense.

BTW, I know that the old administration had a stadium on their radar per conversation with Bill McGillis and knowing the kind of administrator that is Harlan there has surely been some long term strategic planning.

IMO, USF needs to focus on winning and getting our fanbase engaged again. It was not that long ago where we averaging 40k plus butts in the seats while playing a very similar schedule.

No, more likely a 35k - 40k seat stadium with a boat load of amenities and relatively cheap concession is the future (present)

(09-02-2014 12:25 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:21 PM)panama Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:16 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(09-02-2014 12:11 PM)panama Wrote:  What is the major hurdle that is preventing USF from building a stadium? If you have the land is it just money? You guys dont seem to be as land locked as Pitt, Temple or GSU.

Right now I would say that the administration feels that playing in RJS has advantages and that the money could be better used in other facets like coaching salaries and practice facilities.

If someone came in with a large donation towards it then maybe that would kick start it. Right now I will say that unless a Greedy 5 conference told USF without an OCS there is no invite there is no rush to build.

Having RJS has allowed us to get home and home with schools like FSU that would not play us in Tampa if we had a 40-50k stadium.

I get it. Huge investment. But I think the consensus is that most city schools are moving to an OCS. I think Houston and Tulane did a great job in being proactive. Its likely that in 10 years maybe only 5 schools will be playing in NFL/municipal stadiums.

Pitt and Miami are not

Pitt yes, Miami I am so sure. They don;t have room in the immediate vicinity but have options to get considerably closer to campus than they are now. The situation right now is a major issue for that program.

Let's be honest here, RJS is awesome. If the seats were green, I doubt we'd be having this discussion so often. Most of the recent stadium construction was by schools who didn't have a posh NFL stadium a few miles away. Houston is the obvious exception... Don't get me wrong, I was at the TEDCU opener Friday, and I get the on campus atmosphere is cool... If it were up to me, I'd start construction tomorrow. I just don't see it happening anytime soon, USF seems confortable at RJS.

FWIW, I don't think we need to be winning to talk about an OCS. We were 'winning' before, and never heard much OCS chatter around USF.

Cuban I really doubt there will ever be a 'conditional' invite: Build the stadium and then you are in... That's why Houston et al are building their stadiums. We either peg our conference hopes on RJS, or we build an OCS first.