For some reason, these numbers are lower than I expected. ESPN has a table showing some of this weekend's payout$ to visiting teams.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ed-weekend

(08-29-2014 03:54 PM)Wedge Wrote:  For some reason, these numbers are lower than I expected. ESPN has a table showing some of this weekend's payout$ to visiting teams.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ed-weekend

Code:

PAYER      AMOUNT              PAYEE
Michigan    $1M         Appalachian St
Nebraska    $1M         FAU
Florida    $975K        Idaho
Texas       $875K       North Texas
Oklahoma    $800K       La Tech
NC State    $700K       Ga. Southern
Mich. St.    $620K      Jacksonville St
Illinois    $560K       Youngstown St
Iowa         $550K      No. Iowa
Purdue      $525K       W. Michigan
Oregon    $525K         South Dakota

FCS used to be 350-500k. So those are pretty high. FBS was 800k-1200k. Only newbie Georgia Southern and WMU are below 800k. Even newby Appalachian got a million. WMU may have done it for exposure. Purdue is pretty close to them.

I agree it is time for The Big Ten to get rid of these buy-out games and give fans a decent game to watch instead. Teams should shoot for 6 decent home games instead giving fans a bunch of crap to watch in a 7-home game season.

Or else it is time to call these buy-out games what they are. Pre-season games that don't mean anything. Might as well make them officially pre-season games and add a real 12th game to the schedule. Victories against FCS teams should not count in any officially records and should not be part of any season ticket package. Its a joke they make fans sit through these games.

Michigan paying App 1M to come beat them again? That's pretty generous.

(08-29-2014 04:32 PM)ncbeta Wrote:  Michigan paying App 1M to come beat them again? That's pretty generous.

If Appy beats 'em in Ann Arbor this year, Michigan will be paying a lot more than that... to buy out Hoke's contract.

Strangely enough, when App agreed to return, it was for much less but there was a clause in the contract that escalated the price to $1 million if App was FBS when the game was played.

I commend them for not ducking them. They should get payback in short order.

(08-29-2014 04:30 PM)goofus Wrote:  I agree it is time for The Big Ten to get rid of these buy-out games and give fans a decent game to watch instead. Teams should shoot for 6 decent home games instead giving fans a bunch of crap to watch in a 7-home game season.

Or else it is time to call these buy-out games what they are. Pre-season games that don't mean anything. Might as well make them officially pre-season games and add a real 12th game to the schedule. Victories against FCS teams should not count in any officially records and should not be part of any season ticket package. Its a joke they make fans sit through these games.

I don't blame the Big 10. There are a lot of G5 teams I wouldn't want to face regularly if I was a fan of several Big 10 schools.

(08-29-2014 05:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 04:30 PM)goofus Wrote:  I agree it is time for The Big Ten to get rid of these buy-out games and give fans a decent game to watch instead. Teams should shoot for 6 decent home games instead giving fans a bunch of crap to watch in a 7-home game season.

Or else it is time to call these buy-out games what they are. Pre-season games that don't mean anything. Might as well make them officially pre-season games and add a real 12th game to the schedule. Victories against FCS teams should not count in any officially records and should not be part of any season ticket package. Its a joke they make fans sit through these games.

I don't blame the Big 10. There are a lot of G5 teams I wouldn't want to face regularly if I was a fan of several Big 10 schools.

They should play their FCS games late like SEC teams do.
Almost every SEC team plays a FCS opponent for game ten or eleven. Less chance of an upset because of depth and less of a spotlight on FEB vs FCS games.

(08-30-2014 06:35 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 05:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 04:30 PM)goofus Wrote:  I agree it is time for The Big Ten to get rid of these buy-out games and give fans a decent game to watch instead. Teams should shoot for 6 decent home games instead giving fans a bunch of crap to watch in a 7-home game season.

Or else it is time to call these buy-out games what they are. Pre-season games that don't mean anything. Might as well make them officially pre-season games and add a real 12th game to the schedule. Victories against FCS teams should not count in any officially records and should not be part of any season ticket package. Its a joke they make fans sit through these games.

I don't blame the Big 10. There are a lot of G5 teams I wouldn't want to face regularly if I was a fan of several Big 10 schools.

They should play their FCS games late like SEC teams do.
Almost every SEC team plays a FCS opponent for game ten or eleven. Less chance of an upset because of depth and less of a spotlight on FEB vs FCS games.

Not sure if your suggestion was serious or not.

If teams need a break late in the season, just give them the week off. Especially in the Big Ten when the weather starts to be unpredictable in November. There are 2 bye weeks built into the season now. Ideally a team should get one bye in November.

(08-30-2014 06:35 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 05:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  [quote='goofus' pid='11043730' dateline='1409347807'] I don't blame the Big 10. There are a lot of G5 teams I wouldn't want to face regularly if I was a fan of several Big 10 schools.

They should play their FCS games late like SEC teams do.

Kind of hard to do, given that not all the Big Ten teams use the FCS exemption like the SEC teams do, and most of the Big Ten teams are phasing out new FCS contracts entirely.

Here are some one-off games that UC has sold:

$1.2 million - Michigan in 2017
Reportedly we also got between $3.8 million-$4.2 million to convert a home-and-home with Virginia Tech into two away games (our "home" game was played at Fedex Field in DC).

Reportedly we're getting $1 million for moving the 2010 home game with Ohio State to a 2014 game at Columbus. We're getting ripped off IMO, but Brian Kelly made that decision less than a month before he left for Notre Dame.

We also got about $1 million from Tennessee in 2011.

The reason that OSU and VT were converted is because they were going to back out of the contract if we didn't agree to it. It's unfortunate for us, but we want games against marquee opponents. Some of them (Miami, Oklahoma, Nebraska, BYU, Oregon State) are willing to do home-and-home games. But if the only way we can get a big-time opponent is to do a "buy" game, it's worth it.

(08-30-2014 09:34 AM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-30-2014 06:35 AM)MJG Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 05:25 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  [quote='goofus' pid='11043730' dateline='1409347807'] I don't blame the Big 10. There are a lot of G5 teams I wouldn't want to face regularly if I was a fan of several Big 10 schools.

They should play their FCS games late like SEC teams do.

Kind of hard to do, given that not all the Big Ten teams use the FCS exemption like the SEC teams do, and most of the Big Ten teams are phasing out new FCS contracts entirely.

So the ones who are playing an FCS play it late.

The SEC scheduling formula is usually two bad G5 and a late FCS. One P5 often neutral site except for the rivalry games.
Georgia Tech vs Georgia type games.

So, what happens now if the Idaho-Florida game can't be rescheduled? Are the vandals out the $975K plus what they spent traveling to Gainesville?

And if the game can be rescheduled, do they have to foot the bill to make a second trip to Florida, or will the Gators be magnanimous and help them with that?

Edit: FWIW, both schools appear to have a bye in week 9, so there shouldn't have to be a lot of horsetrading needed to reschedule the game.

(08-31-2014 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  So, what happens now if the Idaho-Florida game can't be rescheduled? Are the vandals out the $975K plus what they spent traveling to Gainesville?

And if the game can be rescheduled, do they have to foot the bill to make a second trip to Florida, or will the Gators be magnanimous and help them with that?

Answers are that Idaho and Florida will work all of that out this week. The teams do have a common bye week later in the season, and could reschedule for that date. That seems the most likely course given that Florida would lose a lot more money than Idaho by cancelling -- they'd likely be on the hook for at least Idaho's travel expenses this week and more importantly they'd have to refund a few million dollars to ticketholders.

IMO, because Florida would lose so much money by not rescheduling, Idaho has the leverage to insist on Florida paying Idaho's travel expenses (apparently $200,000) for the rescheduled date as well as for this week's trip.

See http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/au...ning-rain/

(08-29-2014 04:25 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 03:54 PM)Wedge Wrote:  For some reason, these numbers are lower than I expected. ESPN has a table showing some of this weekend's payout$ to visiting teams.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...ed-weekend

Code:

PAYER      AMOUNT              PAYEE
Michigan    $1M         Appalachian St
Nebraska    $1M         FAU
Florida    $975K        Idaho
Texas       $875K       North Texas
Oklahoma    $800K       La Tech
NC State    $700K       Ga. Southern
Mich. St.    $620K      Jacksonville St
Illinois    $560K       Youngstown St
Iowa         $550K      No. Iowa
Purdue      $525K       W. Michigan
Oregon    $525K         South Dakota

FCS used to be 350-500k. So those are pretty high. FBS was 800k-1200k. Only newbie Georgia Southern and WMU are below 800k. Even newby Appalachian got a million. WMU may have done it for exposure. Purdue is pretty close to them.

From the looks of the numbers, the bigger P5 pay around 1 million to play at their stadium while the smaller P5's will give a school around 500k.

If you are a power G5 like Cincinnati it sounds like the move for a school like that is to go to the highest bidder power programs since you've got a 35% chance of knocking those schools off and they will pay the $$$. Plus its a nice boost for recruiting to play mega programs in the non-conference.

For a G5 that is just starting to build like Western Michigan go for the lower priced payday against the second tier B1G school where you have a 50% of being competitive and a 25% chance at a win. A program like Cincinnati you know you are going to take out Purdue so what is the point and it doesn't do anything for recruiting.

(08-29-2014 04:30 PM)goofus Wrote:  I agree it is time for The Big Ten to get rid of these buy-out games and give fans a decent game to watch instead. Teams should shoot for 6 decent home games instead giving fans a bunch of crap to watch in a 7-home game season.

Or else it is time to call these buy-out games what they are. Pre-season games that don't mean anything. Might as well make them officially pre-season games and add a real 12th game to the schedule. Victories against FCS teams should not count in any officially records and should not be part of any season ticket package. Its a joke they make fans sit through these games.

Don't be bitter just because Northern Iowa beats the Hawkeyes every other year. Of course the fans aren't interested in watching Iowa routinely getting exposed.

(08-31-2014 12:35 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  So, what happens now if the Idaho-Florida game can't be rescheduled? Are the vandals out the $975K plus what they spent traveling to Gainesville?

And if the game can be rescheduled, do they have to foot the bill to make a second trip to Florida, or will the Gators be magnanimous and help them with that?

Answers are that Idaho and Florida will work all of that out this week. The teams do have a common bye week later in the season, and could reschedule for that date. That seems the most likely course given that Florida would lose a lot more money than Idaho by cancelling -- they'd likely be on the hook for at least Idaho's travel expenses this week and more importantly they'd have to refund a few million dollars to ticketholders.

IMO, because Florida would lose so much money by not rescheduling, Idaho has the leverage to insist on Florida paying Idaho's travel expenses (apparently $200,000) for the rescheduled date as well as for this week's trip.

See http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/au...ning-rain/

I'm surprised that Florida has apparently decided not to reschedule the game, preferring to keep their bye week before the Georgia game. They will pay Idaho the $975K anyway. That's a lot of money to leave on the table.

(09-04-2014 09:30 AM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 12:35 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-31-2014 12:14 PM)ken d Wrote:  So, what happens now if the Idaho-Florida game can't be rescheduled? Are the vandals out the $975K plus what they spent traveling to Gainesville?

And if the game can be rescheduled, do they have to foot the bill to make a second trip to Florida, or will the Gators be magnanimous and help them with that?

Answers are that Idaho and Florida will work all of that out this week. The teams do have a common bye week later in the season, and could reschedule for that date. That seems the most likely course given that Florida would lose a lot more money than Idaho by cancelling -- they'd likely be on the hook for at least Idaho's travel expenses this week and more importantly they'd have to refund a few million dollars to ticketholders.

IMO, because Florida would lose so much money by not rescheduling, Idaho has the leverage to insist on Florida paying Idaho's travel expenses (apparently $200,000) for the rescheduled date as well as for this week's trip.

See http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2014/au...ning-rain/

I'm surprised that Florida has apparently decided not to reschedule the game, preferring to keep their bye week before the Georgia game. They will pay Idaho the $975K anyway. That's a lot of money to leave on the table.

I don't think the Gator's are hurting for money. Ever heard of a thing called Gatorade? http://www.gatorsports.com/article/20090.../902090235

(08-31-2014 07:20 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 04:30 PM)goofus Wrote:  I agree it is time for The Big Ten to get rid of these buy-out games and give fans a decent game to watch instead. Teams should shoot for 6 decent home games instead giving fans a bunch of crap to watch in a 7-home game season.

Or else it is time to call these buy-out games what they are. Pre-season games that don't mean anything. Might as well make them officially pre-season games and add a real 12th game to the schedule. Victories against FCS teams should not count in any officially records and should not be part of any season ticket package. Its a joke they make fans sit through these games.

Don't be bitter just because Northern Iowa beats the Hawkeyes every other year. Of course the fans aren't interested in watching Iowa routinely getting exposed.

Well, since Iowa has not lost to northern iowa since 1896, and thats Iowa's only loss ever to UNI, I think you meant to write that Iowa loses to UNI about once every other century.

Idk, maybe Northern is due for their once every 200 years victory, but I would rather iowa play a team that competes at the same level as Iowa.