From AP Sports:

Violation #1:

Quote:Vanderbilt's new uniforms already are creating confusion — and not just because the gray lettering on black jerseys is difficult to read.

Violation #2:

Quote:The Commodores had their team slogan, "Anchor Down" written on the back of their jerseys. NCAA rules say a jersey may only contain a player's name, the school name, the NCAA logo, sleeve stripes, an American flag, a state flag or a logo for a school, conference, mascot, postseason game, memorial or the military.

What the referees did:

Quote:During Vanderbilt's game with Temple on Thursday, officials said Vanderbilt would be charged one timeout each quarter the jerseys were worn because they were impermissible, but the officials later reversed themselves and said the Commodores wouldn't be penalized.

Why wasn't Vandy punished?

Quote:Vanderbilt athletic department spokesman Larry Leathers said the jerseys were approved by the Southeastern Conference.

Since when can the SEC override NCAA rules? Bogus!

On the other thread on this, it was pointed out that the SEC said the jerseys were not approved, and they should have been doc'd the TO.

It sounds like the football schools want this to be the talking point today, not that a middling SEC team got b-slapped by a bottom AAC team.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BwOS2ZaIQAAwnor.jpg:large

It would appear that Vanderbilt asked for approval of the uniform jersey that had the Commodores' slogan on the back instead of the players' names. The NCAA approved the uniform design, and Vandy took that approval to mean the use of the slogan was approved (even though that point was not made explicit) since it was on the pre-production sample submitted for approval.

This is just a case of a misunderstanding, and in the future Vandy will not be allowed to use the slogan on their uniforms. There is nothing sinister going on here.

(08-29-2014 01:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  This is just a case of a misunderstanding, and in the future Vandy will not be allowed to use the slogan on their uniforms. There is nothing sinister going on here.

Well, aside from officials having no idea how to enforce this rule, maybe.

Quote:middling

Since when is "picked second to last" = "middling"

Soon you G5ers will be saying Temple upset the pre-season favorite to win the East.

(08-29-2014 01:34 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

Quote:middling

Since when is "picked second to last" = "middling"

Soon you G5ers will be saying Temple upset the pre-season favorite to win the East.

10th, we've been told all Spring and Summer long about how the schools outside of the top 5 conferences are not as good as the lower schools within the top 5 (from things like the declaration from the SEC and ACC that a win against BYU, for instance, is not as prestigious as a win against Wake Forest or Vanderbilt), so of course there's going to be chest-thumping when an AAC school coming off a 2 or 3 win season beats (handily - I might add) ANY school from the SEC or ACC.

If Temple had won by 1 score, as was the case of ULM over Wake Forest, I doubt there'd be this much bravado from my AAC crowd.

Oh, and P.S., I wish your boys from A&M hadn't dismantled South Carolina so badly. Now they're going to be angry when my Pirates roll into town next week.

This is just another example of why the P5 is going to leave the stupid leadership of the NCAA soon. I mean black jerseys with numbers on them versus white jerseys with number on them, what was so confusing to the NCAA?

(08-29-2014 01:10 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  From AP Sports:

Violation #1:

Quote:Vanderbilt's new uniforms already are creating confusion — and not just because the gray lettering on black jerseys is difficult to read.

Violation #2:

Quote:The Commodores had their team slogan, "Anchor Down" written on the back of their jerseys. NCAA rules say a jersey may only contain a player's name, the school name, the NCAA logo, sleeve stripes, an American flag, a state flag or a logo for a school, conference, mascot, postseason game, memorial or the military.

What the referees did:

Quote:During Vanderbilt's game with Temple on Thursday, officials said Vanderbilt would be charged one timeout each quarter the jerseys were worn because they were impermissible, but the officials later reversed themselves and said the Commodores wouldn't be penalized.

Why wasn't Vandy punished?

Quote:Vanderbilt athletic department spokesman Larry Leathers said the jerseys were approved by the Southeastern Conference.

Since when can the SEC override NCAA rules? Bogus!

Since when has the SEC ever obeyed NCAA rules?

(08-29-2014 01:48 PM)Chappy Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 01:34 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  

Quote:middling

Since when is "picked second to last" = "middling"

Soon you G5ers will be saying Temple upset the pre-season favorite to win the East.

10th, we've been told all Spring and Summer long about how the schools outside of the top 5 conferences are not as good as the lower schools within the p5 (from things like the declaration from the SEC and ACC that a win against BYU, for instance, is not as prestigious as a win against Wake Forest or Vanderbilt), so of course there's going to be chest-thumping when an AAC school coming off a 2 or 3 win season beats (handily - I might add) ANY school from the SEC or ACC.

If Temple had won by 1 score, as was the case of ULM over Wake Forest, I doubt there'd be this much bravado from my AAC crowd.

Oh, and P.S., I wish your boys from A&M hadn't dismantled South Carolina so badly. Now they're going to be angry when my Pirates roll into town next week.

I thought we've been hearing all summer that the top teams in G5 conferences are as good as the bottom teams in the P5. The difference is that the G5 doesn't have teams at the top that compare with the top of the P5.

The NCAA did not assign the officials to the game. The officials are the ones who interpreted the rule.

The NCAA effs up plenty without blaming this on them.

(08-29-2014 02:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The NCAA did not assign the officials to the game. The officials are the ones who interpreted the rule.

The NCAA effs up plenty without blaming this on them.

I'm not sure I'd blame the officials, either. They made their initial ruling based on what seems to be a correct interpretation of the rule about uniforms. It wasn't until they were presented with evidence that the NCAA had pre-approved an exception to that rule that they changed their decision.

I think reasonableness dictates that if this were just a snafu where the offending team had made a good faith effort to be sure they were compliant, then such a draconian penalty would be patently unfair.

The uniform rules are enforced inconsistently.

Last year, Arizona's FB jerseys had multi-colored numbers in violation of an NCAA rule that says the numbers must be monochromatic. Arizona hemmed and hawed and said, gee, we're sorry, we won't do it again, and the NCAA permitted them to keep those uniforms for the 2013 season. UA's (unattractive) 2014 jerseys comply with the rule.

But this year, Michigan has striped numbers on their alternate jerseys, in violation of the same rule.

(08-29-2014 01:31 PM)ken d Wrote:  It would appear that Vanderbilt asked for approval of the uniform jersey that had the Commodores' slogan on the back instead of the players' names. The NCAA approved the uniform design, and Vandy took that approval to mean the use of the slogan was approved (even though that point was not made explicit) since it was on the pre-production sample submitted for approval.

This is just a case of a misunderstanding, and in the future Vandy will not be allowed to use the slogan on their uniforms. There is nothing sinister going on here.

Correct.

http://espn.go.com/college-football/stor...wed-future

Quote:Vanderbilt's "Anchor Down" jerseys, which were the subject of controversy during the Commodores' season-opening game against Temple on Thursday night, will not be returning to the field.

That's the word from the NCAA, which has ruled that all schools, except the military service academies, may not put slogans on the back of their players' jerseys.

Chuck Dunlap, communications director for the SEC, issued a statement Friday confirming that the Vanderbilt jerseys with "Anchor Down" on the back "are not permissible under the NCAA football uniform regulations" and were worn against Temple because of "a miscommunication."

"Vanderbilt has been notified it cannot wear the slogan on its jersey for future games and has agreed to comply," Dunlap said.

(08-29-2014 02:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The NCAA did not assign the officials to the game. The officials are the ones who interpreted the rule.

The NCAA effs up plenty without blaming this on them.

Sounds like Big 10 officials.

(08-29-2014 02:43 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 02:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The NCAA did not assign the officials to the game. The officials are the ones who interpreted the rule.

The NCAA effs up plenty without blaming this on them.

I'm not sure I'd blame the officials, either. They made their initial ruling based on what seems to be a correct interpretation of the rule about uniforms. It wasn't until they were presented with evidence that the NCAA had pre-approved an exception to that rule that they changed their decision.

I think reasonableness dictates that if this were just a snafu where the offending team had made a good faith effort to be sure they were compliant, then such a draconian penalty would be patently unfair.

Unless the rule changed since last year....

The rule provides (or provided) that non-conforming could be worn if the schools agreed and the conference of the home team agreed and all of that had to be writing done in advance. NCAA had the rule but deferred enforcement to the game officials and the conference.

It gets stranger.

In many contracts in non-conference (generally not "buy" games) the visiting team's conference assigns the officials but the home team's conference has to make the ruling which may or may get communicated.

Last year Sun Belt assigned officials for AState at Mizzou, there were no issues but SEC would have had to have made sure to communicate with the SBC supervisor of officials to communicate the situation to his people.

Now next year when Mizzou travels to AState if someone wants to do something hinky with uniforms the Sun Belt will have to make the ruling tell the SEC supervisor of officials to pass that on. Except the line of communication ought to be clearer since the Sun Belt has hired the SEC supervisor to handle their assignments as well.

(08-29-2014 03:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 02:34 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  The NCAA did not assign the officials to the game. The officials are the ones who interpreted the rule.

The NCAA effs up plenty without blaming this on them.

Sounds like Big 10 officials.

In the early days of the I-AA playoffs, the NCAA would assign major conference officials to do the playoff games (changed because some of the I-AA commissioners complained their guys should be rewarded for grading out well).

Our first playoff game we had a Big 10 crew and they freaking rocked. They signaled big and made noise but before kickoff they were looking around like how the hell did we end up here (we had 18,000 seats at the time, not that our 30K or so now would impress them). But those guys had voices, but they were used to 10X more people making noise in the stands.

Also got to see most of the crew from the Colorado fifth down game one time. They ended up working a game don't remember if it was for the Big West or if it was when we were independent.

Not relevant to the thread.

The Majors will regularly be pushing the rules and continuing to maintain that black eye upon the face of the NCAA. That was very nice of Vandy to agree to be the possible sacrificial pawn. They knew what they were doing and they tipped their hat by saying the SEC approved the maneuver.

(08-29-2014 06:55 PM)He1nousOne Wrote:  The Majors will regularly be pushing the rules and continuing to maintain that black eye upon the face of the NCAA. That was very nice of Vandy to agree to be the possible sacrificial pawn. They knew what they were doing and they tipped their hat by saying the SEC approved the maneuver.

The rule requires league to approve. No scandal here.


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