(08-28-2014 09:09 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  CeMic looks awful.

They were very bad the 1st half, but finished strong.

Not you in particular, but MAC fans make me laugh due to hypocrisy. They seem to group the FCS division as a whole. You know, just like #23 CMU was "just a MAC team" in 2009 and NIU Orange Bowl team was "just a MAC team" in 2012. People need to realize these top FCS teams can play. Just like last year New Hampshire made it to the FCS semis and 6-6 CMU beat them on a last second field goal. Hell, in 2007 CMU won the MAC and was THROTTLED by NDSU 41-14 or something like that. NDSU last year would have either won or been a top 2-3 MAC team, people just hate to admit it. Not saying UTC will win it all, but they were 8-4 last year and returned many award winning players. They will likely make a deep playoff run. Not every MAC team schedules cupcake FCS opponents.

(08-29-2014 09:16 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(08-28-2014 09:09 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  CeMic looks awful.

They were very bad the 1st half, but finished strong.

Not you in particular, but MAC fans make me laugh due to hypocrisy. They seem to group the FCS division as a whole. You know, just like #23 CMU was "just a MAC team" in 2009 and NIU Orange Bowl team was "just a MAC team" in 2012. People need to realize these top FCS teams can play. Just like last year New Hampshire made it to the FCS semis and 6-6 CMU beat them on a last second field goal. Hell, in 2007 CMU won the MAC and was THROTTLED by NDSU 41-14 or something like that. NDSU last year would have either won or been a top 2-3 MAC team, people just hate to admit it. Not saying UTC will win it all, but they were 8-4 last year and returned many award winning players. They will likely make a deep playoff run. Not every MAC team schedules cupcake FCS opponents.

I think people tend to group tyhe FCS schools together because they're grouped together...it's a differnent division with different scholarship limits. They max at 65, we max at 85. That's a huge difference that normally manifests itself on the field.

(08-29-2014 09:20 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  I think people tend to group tyhe FCS schools together because they're grouped together...it's a differnent division with different scholarship limits. They max at 65, we max at 85. That's a huge difference that normally manifests itself on the field.

And the MAC is grouped together as a poor conference. Yes, FCS has fewer schollys but that isn't my point at all. My point is who can play and who can't. I don't know if you watch a ton of football, but every year FCS wins more games (or so it seems) and the gap is closing. An average FBS team will/should beat an average FCS team. But what I am saying is the top FCS teams can play. Don't group a top FCS team with "all of FCS" just like you don't group the top MAC teams with the entire MAC. It's a short cut.

Purdue wasn't MSU last year, but they are both in the BIG10. MAC fans are hypocrites when it comes to this. As a conference we struggle for respect then we go an do something like this.

(08-29-2014 09:38 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 09:20 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  I think people tend to group tyhe FCS schools together because they're grouped together...it's a differnent division with different scholarship limits. They max at 65, we max at 85. That's a huge difference that normally manifests itself on the field.

And the MAC is grouped together as a poor conference. Yes, FCS has fewer schollys but that isn't my point at all. My point is who can play and who can't. I don't know if you watch a ton of football, but every year FCS wins more games (or so it seems) and the gap is closing. An average FBS team will/should beat an average FCS team. But what I am saying is the top FCS teams can play. Don't group a top FCS team with "all of FCS" just like you don't group the top MAC teams with the entire MAC. It's a short cut.

Purdue wasn't MSU last year, but they are both in the BIG10. MAC fans are hypocrites when it comes to this. As a conference we struggle for respect then we go an do something like this.

Well NIU fans at least should know the difference. We barely beat Eastern Illinois last year. They were one of the top FCS teams as well.

^^ Exactly my point.

I'm not trying to be an apologist but it's ridiculous as a MAC fan to do this. It makes us look pathetic. NIU was closing in on another BCS bid yet they squeak by an FCS team. If you can play you can play, regardless of division.

(08-29-2014 10:02 AM)george14 Wrote:  ^^ Exactly my point.

I'm not trying to be an apologist but it's ridiculous as a MAC fan to do this. It makes us look pathetic. NIU was closing in on another BCS bid yet they squeak by an FCS team. If you can play you can play, regardless of division.

I don't have a problem with the MAC being lumped in with other non P5 conferences as a "poorer" division...we are. We don't have the $$$ to consistently compete with the upper reaches of the P5...hell, we typically don't compete all that well with the middle and lower rung teams either. Here at BG we were the MAC champs last year and Indiana smoked us like a blunt. Sure...we occasionally score a win here and there, but we usually lose and often get our asses kicked. Jus t as the FCS teams usually lose and often get their asses kicked. To get all pissy about it when someone points that simple reality out seems incredibly childish.

(08-29-2014 10:43 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 10:02 AM)george14 Wrote:  ^^ Exactly my point.

I'm not trying to be an apologist but it's ridiculous as a MAC fan to do this. It makes us look pathetic. NIU was closing in on another BCS bid yet they squeak by an FCS team. If you can play you can play, regardless of division.

I don't have a problem with the MAC being lumped in with other non P5 conferences as a "poorer" division...we are. We don't have the $$$ to consistently compete with the upper reaches of the P5...hell, we typically don't compete all that well with the middle and lower rung teams either. Here at BG we were the MAC champs last year and Indiana smoked us like a blunt. Sure...we occasionally score a win here and there, but we usually lose and often get our asses kicked. Jus t as the FCS teams usually lose and often get their asses kicked. To get all pissy about it when someone points that simple reality out seems incredibly childish.

I'm pointing out hypocrisy, calm down.

I'm sure you "called it" and knew BGSU was going to get smoked by Indiana, right? No you just got a reality check and probably did your fair share of pissing and moaning.

(08-29-2014 10:49 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 10:43 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 10:02 AM)george14 Wrote:  ^^ Exactly my point.

I'm not trying to be an apologist but it's ridiculous as a MAC fan to do this. It makes us look pathetic. NIU was closing in on another BCS bid yet they squeak by an FCS team. If you can play you can play, regardless of division.

I don't have a problem with the MAC being lumped in with other non P5 conferences as a "poorer" division...we are. We don't have the $$$ to consistently compete with the upper reaches of the P5...hell, we typically don't compete all that well with the middle and lower rung teams either. Here at BG we were the MAC champs last year and Indiana smoked us like a blunt. Sure...we occasionally score a win here and there, but we usually lose and often get our asses kicked. Jus t as the FCS teams usually lose and often get their asses kicked. To get all pissy about it when someone points that simple reality out seems incredibly childish.

I'm pointing out hypocrisy, calm down.

I'm sure you "called it" and knew BGSU was going to get smoked by Indiana, right? No you just got a reality check and probably did your fair share of pissing and moaning.

I'm sorry...but WTF are you talking about? The FCS is a LOWER division by definition. Therefore..it is entirely fair to assume that a team from there will not be as good as a team from the FBS. The MAC is considered a poorer conference than the B1G..the same comparative rules apply. why you feel that this si ssome cosmic injustice that you need to take to the internet to correct is beyond me....

(08-29-2014 10:55 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  I'm sorry...but WTF are you talking about? The FCS is a LOWER division by definition. Therefore..it is entirely fair to assume that a team from there will not be as good as a team from the FBS. The MAC is considered a poorer conference than the B1G..the same comparative rules apply. why you feel that this si ssome cosmic injustice that you need to take to the internet to correct is beyond me....

I cannot make my point any more clear. You are literally illustrating the logic I am pointing out.

My point is to NOT GROUP THEM ALL TOGETHER. For the love of God read what I am saying. The FCS top teams will beat the lower to middle FBS teams. You take it as a game by game basis. As stated in the other thread, did Purdue expect to beat NIU last year? They are in the MAC, so by money and nature it's for for every BIG10 team to think they will beat every MAC team. No, obviously not which is why NIU was favored and blew them out.

Here is my point again in case you missed it the first 4 times; Stop grouping FCS together and realize the top FCS teams and very good an capable of beating many FBS teams.

(08-29-2014 11:01 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 10:55 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  I'm sorry...but WTF are you talking about? The FCS is a LOWER division by definition. Therefore..it is entirely fair to assume that a team from there will not be as good as a team from the FBS. The MAC is considered a poorer conference than the B1G..the same comparative rules apply. why you feel that this si ssome cosmic injustice that you need to take to the internet to correct is beyond me....

I cannot make my point any more clear. You are literally illustrating the logic I am pointing out.

My point is to NOT GROUP THEM ALL TOGETHER. For the love of God read what I am saying. The FCS top teams will beat the lower to middle FBS teams. You take it as a game by game basis. As stated in the other thread, did Purdue expect to beat NIU last year? They are in the MAC, so by money and nature it's for for every BIG10 team to think they will beat every MAC team. No, obviously not which is why NIU was favored and blew them out.

Here is my point again in case you missed it the first 4 times; Stop grouping FCS together and realize the top FCS teams and very good an capable of beating many FBS teams.

Are you really this f**king stupid? the FCS is A LOWER DIVISION...they have fewer scholarships, smaller budgets, less exposure nationally...less everything. The fact that a few of their top teams can compete with a few of the teams from the FBS doesn't change the fact that the FCS is A LOWER DIVISION

(08-29-2014 11:08 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  Are you really this f**king stupid? the FCS is A LOWER DIVISION...they have fewer scholarships, smaller budgets, less exposure nationally...less everything. The fact that a few of their top teams can compete with a few of the teams from the FBS doesn't change the fact that the FCS is A LOWER DIVISION

Someone is getting their jimmies rustled.

When did I argue FCS isn't a lower division? Here for the 5th time, actually you even stated my point, the top teams should not be grouped with all of FCS.

I think you get it now, but take some time off to calm down and it will sink in.

No...you have no "point"...the MAC is an FBS school..we have more scholarships, more resources more everything....we should feel that we can beat ANY FCS school becase you are grouped together in a lower division...a division that is beneath...below..not a s good..of a lower quality..than ours.

You are complaining that we lump all of you together when you are...by definition..lumped together. Lumped together in a division of schools who's football programs are inferior...

FBS is one bell normal curve. FCS is another bell normal curve distribution.

There is significant overlap between the the two curves.

(08-29-2014 12:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  FBS is one bell normal curve. FCS is another bell normal curve distribution.

There is significant overlap between the the two curves.

Exactly, and this is not hard to understand. And it's the same with P5 vs. G5, two bell curves with some overlap.

That said, BG had a pretty inexperienced QB when they played Indiana at the beginning of the year, kind of like Lynch's first start against Iowa. By the end of the year he was playing better and BG could score more points.

If CMU beat a lower level SEC team I bet the O.P. would lump them together with the rest of the SEC. Just sayin.

(08-29-2014 09:16 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(08-28-2014 09:09 PM)niubrad00 Wrote:  CeMic looks awful.

They were very bad the 1st half, but finished strong.

Not you in particular, but MAC fans make me laugh due to hypocrisy. They seem to group the FCS division as a whole. You know, just like #23 CMU was "just a MAC team" in 2009 and NIU Orange Bowl team was "just a MAC team" in 2012. People need to realize these top FCS teams can play. Just like last year New Hampshire made it to the FCS semis and 6-6 CMU beat them on a last second field goal. Hell, in 2007 CMU won the MAC and was THROTTLED by NDSU 41-14 or something like that. NDSU last year would have either won or been a top 2-3 MAC team, people just hate to admit it. Not saying UTC will win it all, but they were 8-4 last year and returned many award winning players. They will likely make a deep playoff run. Not every MAC team schedules cupcake FCS opponents.

People - you miss the point of "NoIll"Brad00's post.

It isn't about FCS vs G5 conferences - or any of that. "NoIll"Brad00's comment was a jab. A protest against the way I refer to Northern Illinois as "NoIll" for short. It's an old back and forth between us. I don't think he means it as a commentary of the FCS (or "CeMic" either).

(08-29-2014 07:36 PM)AkronTailgateGuy Wrote:  If CMU beat a lower level SEC team I bet the O.P. would lump them together with the rest of the SEC. Just sayin.

The "O.P." (which was me if we are referring to the whole thread, but I didn't make the comment that spurred this discussion) is happy about CMU winning and the defense playing well and never made any derogatory comments about UChatt, the FCS or anything else in this thread. And no - having lived in Tennessee, I wouldn't lump Vanderbilt in with the rest of the SEC in football - or in academics.

Sorry, Nert. I meant George.

(08-29-2014 07:36 PM)AkronTailgateGuy Wrote:  If CMU beat a lower level SEC team I bet the O.P. would lump them together with the rest of the SEC. Just sayin.

No I would absolutely not.

(08-30-2014 10:34 AM)george14 Wrote:  

(08-29-2014 07:36 PM)AkronTailgateGuy Wrote:  If CMU beat a lower level SEC team I bet the O.P. would lump them together with the rest of the SEC. Just sayin.

No I would absolutely not.

If Central beat Kentucky, you would never crow about beating an SEC team? I call bull$hit.