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Report: NHL Las Vegas franchise is a done deal
(08-28-2014 11:46 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  
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(08-28-2014 10:16 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Another question I have is why Salt Lake City isn't considered a good NHL market? Are they concerned about overlap with the Avs?

Salt Lake City is an iffy candidate for multiple pro franchises because its metro area is smaller. It's about one-third the population of Denver's metro area. (SLC 1.1 million, Denver 3.3 million.)

But the relocated the Thrashers to Edmonton which has an even smaller metro population than SLC.

Just as a point of clarification, the Thrashers were relocated to Winnipeg, not Edmonton. Atlanta's original NHL franchise, the Flames, were relocated to the province of Alberta, in Calgary.

Thanks for the correction. It's not that hard to keep up with relocated ATL NHL teams. Just look in western Canada.


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(08-28-2014 12:44 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  
(08-28-2014 09:57 AM)arkstfan Wrote:  
(08-27-2014 11:23 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  Houston's problem is the Rockets have a clause in their lease that they have the rights to a hockey team in the Toyota Center. So unless the Rockets owners bring NHL to Houston, you probably won't see hockey in Houston.

Kansas City's problem is they don't have an ownership group. I would look to Texas personally and see if any of the ones who bid on the Stars would be interested in Kansas City.

Toronto's problem is the Maple Leafs. Hamilton's problem is Buffalo Sabres/Maple Leafs.

Essentially you are looking at Seattle, Las Vegas and Quebec. The team that I'm surprised didn't get moved was the Islanders. Barclays move was nice, but that facility doesn't scream hockey to me.

Kansas City was used by the Pens and Islanders as arena bait. As for ownership, there has been some speculation (whether wild or not I don't know) that the group that owns Sporting KC has contemplated adding one or two rich friends who regret saying no to being part of the MLS ownership group and would consider pursuing an NHL or NBA team.

The Cerner boys are looking at making a play for the Royals. That is what has been floating around Kansas City. Them going for a NHL or NBA team would make sense, they could combine sponsorships with Sporting and have a year round marketing plan.

The Sprint Center would be a great home for an NBA or NHL team. The problem is AEG has no interest in allowing one to move in. They've got a sweetheart deal from the city that guarantees them a minimum profit while the city is on the hook for all construction debt. They made a some attempts at luring a team when the arena first opened, but now that they've realized how profitable the deal is (profitable to AEG, not the taxpayers), they have no desire to alter the arrangement.
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(08-28-2014 11:41 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Now, if the Bucks do you leave for Las Vegas or somewhere else, then I would be all in on the Milwaukee/NHL express. However, I do not see it happening. Also, the NHL team would have the same problem as the Bucks - a lack of a first class facility full of modern amenities including luxury boxes.

I truly believe that Milwaukee would be best served by having NHL team rather than an NBA team. I also think that would improve Marquette's men's basketball attendance. However, I do not believe the NHL is in the cards for Milwaukee.

Bradley Center has 63 boxes, I believe. Sacramento's new arena will have 34. I was at MSG last spring. The BC is significantly nicer, even though MSG just underwent a $1 billion remodel. No surprise, everything in New York is worn and dirty within months after opening.

In any event, the problem with the BC is: 1) it was built for hockey since the building was intended for an NHL expansion franchise; 2) it lacks VIP and premium seating; 3) the lower bowl holds only 9000, which is a direct result of the hockey configuration of the building and which minimizes revenue; 4) the footprint of the building is small so there is little opportunity for non-basketball related revenue; and 5) the building is 25 years old so there is some internal maintenance issues.

The Bucks moving would have little effect on MU attendance. MU draws 15,000+ per games. It regularly finishes first or second (lately second after Memphis) for schools in NBA towns and first or second in attendance for non-football schools (battling Creighton for that honor). Big games sell out (18,000+). The thing that drags down MU attendance is the early season dregs. I don't think the exciting MU-Prairie View game is going to attract more fans simply because the Bucks are gone.
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RE: Report: NHL Las Vegas franchise is a done deal
(08-28-2014 10:33 AM)Wedge Wrote:  
(08-28-2014 10:16 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  Another question I have is why Salt Lake City isn't considered a good NHL market? Are they concerned about overlap with the Avs?

Salt Lake City is an iffy candidate for multiple pro franchises because its metro area is smaller. It's about one-third the population of Denver's metro area. (SLC 1.1 million, Denver 3.3 million.)

The SLC market is actually much bigger when you account for Ogden (home of Utah State University) and Provo (home of BYU and less than 50 miles from SLC) having their own MSA's. That almost doubles the amount of people who could realistically use season tickets.

(08-28-2014 11:30 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  I don't think the Knicks or Nets would willingly allow a third team in the NY area. You might be able to get a third team signed off on in Anaheim or slightly east , as there is legitimately a second large metro area just east of there that is a 4.5 million person CSA in it's own right. But I don't think they will put a third one in Jersey, even though an arena is already there.

You mean legitimately large extension to metro LA. I was born and partially raised there in the Inland Empire/San Bernardino-Riverside and it is just a collection of suburbs in the desert that sprawls away (and is still connected to) LA and Orange Counties. Without traffic (huh, yeah right) and while speeding, I bet you can you get to most parts of LA in less than an hour or in 30 minutes depending on where you are.

(08-28-2014 11:59 AM)Dr. Isaly von Yinzer Wrote:  Also, I'm not sure I would agree with you that there is no cross pollination between the areas. I think that is true between Oakland and San Francisco but I do not believe it is as true between San Francisco and Silicon Valley. I say that because San Jose is hosting an outdoor game this coming winter and the game will be played at AT&T Park in downtown San Francisco. Also the 49ers' new stadium is located in Santa Clara – a stone's throw from the Sharks' HP Pavilion. In other words, I believe there is more cross pollination than you are acknowledging or are aware of.

I never said there was no cross pollination (to the contrary, many fans in multi-team metro areas support both/all teams) but I was saying that there is a civic pride at stake, especially when there are multiple teams. For example, the Knicks were unabashedly the number one NBA team in their area and many in New York and SW Connecticut didn't even give the Nets the time of day because of the stigma of playing in New Jersey. Many in the Bay Area will support the Giants but not the A's even though, like the Knicks/Nets, they are less than 20 miles from each other. Same with the Dodgers and Angels (some OC types can't stand anything LA).

So that's all I'm saying, that there is actually some civic pride and that it's not as simple as lumping everyone in an MSA and CSA together.
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My 4 new cities would be: (2 new, relocate Islanders, Coyotes)
Milwaukee
Seattle
Quebec City
Kansas City

I'd also list Baltimore, Hartford, Cleveland, 2nd Texas team, and a few other cities before I'd go with a 2nd Toronto or a Las Vegas team.
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The problem with Seattle as they seem dead set on getting an NBA team first and then they will focus on attracting an NHL team.

I believe this would all be done if Donald Sterling hadn't put his foot in his mouth with his concubine. Steve Ballmer was the money man behind Seattle's NHL expansion flirtation and once he got the Clippers, Seattle's NHL bid kind of fell apart.
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(08-28-2014 05:48 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  My 4 new cities would be: (2 new, relocate Islanders, Coyotes)
Milwaukee
Seattle
Quebec City
Kansas City

I'd also list Baltimore, Hartford, Cleveland, 2nd Texas team, and a few other cities before I'd go with a 2nd Toronto or a Las Vegas team.

No to Milwaukee for the same reason as Salt Lake City. Milwaukee CSA has 2.0 million people. The two smallest markets with both NBA and NHL teams are Minneapolis (3.8 million) and Denver (3.3 million).

Seattle has the market size to support both NBA and NHL if they get both -- it's a CSA of 4.5 million people.

(Source for population data)
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Hasn't Hamilton long been considered? Anyway, I would like to see the Nordiques come back, classic team.
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Did any of you read my post on page 2? The NHL is not expanding now, nor in the immediate future. They may expand within the next 20 years, but I find it unlikely.
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(08-29-2014 12:25 AM)Rube Dali Wrote:  Did any of you read my post on page 2?

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(08-28-2014 05:48 PM)msu_bears Wrote:  My 4 new cities would be: (2 new, relocate Islanders, Coyotes)
Milwaukee
Seattle
Quebec City
Kansas City

I'd also list Baltimore, Hartford, Cleveland, 2nd Texas team, and a few other cities before I'd go with a 2nd Toronto or a Las Vegas team.

A second Toronto team would be a high demand ticket in a major metro. No different than the Devils in the NY market, but Toronto has probably five times the prevalence of hockey fans. A second and even a third Toronto team would have sellouts for every game. Hamilton could be the second "Toronto" tean, as well as Markham or other suburbs.

Montreal and Vancouver could easily support second teams as well.

Austin could well be a handicap choice if a new arena was built. Coumbus and Austin are fixated on college sports, and the NHL could find success in demographics that make up Austin.
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I always thought Buffalo Sabres was essentially Hamilton/Golden Horseshoe hockey team.
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(08-29-2014 12:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  Hasn't Hamilton long been considered? Anyway, I would like to see the Nordiques come back, classic team.

There was a plan in place to put one in Hamilton but the NHL said it was too close to Toronto and especially much smaller Buffalo.

(08-29-2014 12:40 AM)NoDak Wrote:  A second Toronto team would be a high demand ticket in a major metro. No different than the Devils in the NY market, but Toronto has probably five times the prevalence of hockey fans. A second and even a third Toronto team would have sellouts for every game. Hamilton could be the second "Toronto" tean [sic], as well as Markham or other suburbs.

They ought to put one in Mississauga, Ontario. It's bigger than most major cities.
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(08-26-2014 11:47 PM)NoDak Wrote:  SI is reporting the NHL will expand by four teams in by 2017: Las Vegas, Seattle, Quebec City, and a second Toronto team.

http://www.si.com/nhl/2014/08/26/report-...-expansion

Up in Canada, they are reporting that a new team in la capitale nationale (Quebec City) is a given.
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I can see the NHL expanding to 32, but 34 teams may be a bit problematic unless if the intent is to go to 36 shortly thereafter.
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In commenting on the market game....I still can't figure out how Raleigh got a relocating Hartford Whalers down here...I would have figured Charlotte as they had gotten the Panthers just a few years earlier AND the Hornets in the late 80s.

That said, the Canes, with being fairly successful and even winning a cup, have really developed a good following in North Carolina. I love to go to games and watch them on tv.
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(08-29-2014 10:27 PM)PirateTreasureNC Wrote:  In commenting on the market game....I still can't figure out how Raleigh got a relocating Hartford Whalers down here...I would have figured Charlotte as they had gotten the Panthers just a few years earlier AND the Hornets in the late 80s.

That said, the Canes, with being fairly successful and even winning a cup, have really developed a good following in North Carolina. I love to go to games and watch them on tv.

Well from digging around, looks like it came down to Columbus and Raleigh. The Raleigh folks had been kicking around the idea of an arena for about 15 years and had finally put the money together for an arena and had done an application for an NHL expansion team then withdrew the application and were just going to be a basketball centric arena.

While they were working out the final plans for the arena, the Whalers owner was shopping around because the state wouldn't help fund a new arena because they were busy trying to get the Pats to build a new stadium in the state. Looks like while he is generally regarded as an ogre by Whaler fans the deal he proposed to the government was a better deal for the state than the one Raleigh cut with him.

Owner had backed out of pursuing expansion in Tampa because of the size of the fee, tried and failed to buy the Red Wings and then bought Hartford and started shopping them right off the bat, presumably to get the state to do something about the old arena. Looked as Las Vegas which was likely a non-starter before settling on Raleigh
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(08-29-2014 07:55 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 12:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  Hasn't Hamilton long been considered? Anyway, I would like to see the Nordiques come back, classic team.

There was a plan in place to put one in Hamilton but the NHL said it was too close to Toronto and especially much smaller Buffalo.

(08-29-2014 12:40 AM)NoDak Wrote:  A second Toronto team would be a high demand ticket in a major metro. No different than the Devils in the NY market, but Toronto has probably five times the prevalence of hockey fans. A second and even a third Toronto team would have sellouts for every game. Hamilton could be the second "Toronto" tean [sic], as well as Markham or other suburbs.

They ought to put one in Mississauga, Ontario. It's bigger than most major cities.

I think that Toronto can support two teams. The real problem is to give hockey fans any reason to not support the Maple Leafs and support the new team. Its likely any new team will suck initially. I'm not sure Mississauga has an identity like Brooklyn does in NY. Or Long Island does in NY.

I suppose Mississauga makes sense because it could be marketed as the Hamiliton/Mississauga team.
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(08-29-2014 11:59 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 07:55 AM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(08-29-2014 12:23 AM)esayem Wrote:  Hasn't Hamilton long been considered? Anyway, I would like to see the Nordiques come back, classic team.

There was a plan in place to put one in Hamilton but the NHL said it was too close to Toronto and especially much smaller Buffalo.

(08-29-2014 12:40 AM)NoDak Wrote:  A second Toronto team would be a high demand ticket in a major metro. No different than the Devils in the NY market, but Toronto has probably five times the prevalence of hockey fans. A second and even a third Toronto team would have sellouts for every game. Hamilton could be the second "Toronto" tean [sic], as well as Markham or other suburbs.

They ought to put one in Mississauga, Ontario. It's bigger than most major cities.

I think that Toronto can support two teams. The real problem is to give hockey fans any reason to not support the Maple Leafs and support the new team. Its likely any new team will suck initially. I'm not sure Mississauga has an identity like Brooklyn does in NY. Or Long Island does in NY.

I suppose Mississauga makes sense because it could be marketed as the Hamiliton/Mississauga team.

Im sure any Detroit or Montreal fans living in the Toronto area will give a little bit of support to a 2nd Toronto team, specially against the Maple Leafs.

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