On a related note, I was listening to Moe Egger on the radio while I drove out to Higher Ground last night. He had talked about Miller's injury and some unfortunately rather inarticulate guy called complaining that he didn't want to hear about any tO$U players on a Cincinnati radio station, but rather wanted to hear about the Bearcats and Moe's response was that he's had several UC football guests on recently and got no calls so stop kvetching about it. Do these guys seriously think there is some direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show? Nowadays the dwindling number of radio listeners out there usually listen in the car, and I for one am loathe to talk on the phone while driving. Who the hell listens to AM radio at home and likes to waste time sitting on hold on the telephone?

(08-20-2014 11:58 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  On a related note, I was listening to Mo Egger on the radio while I drove out to Higher Ground last night. He had talked about Miller's injury and some unfortunately rather inarticulate guy called complaining that he didn't want to hear about any tO$U players on a Cincinnati radio station, but rather wanted to hear about the Bearcats and Mo's response was that he's had several UC football guests on recently and got no calls so stop kvetching about it. Do these guys seriously think there is some direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show? Nowadays the dwindling number of radio listeners out there usually listen in the car, and I for one am loathe to talk on the phone while driving. Who the hell listens to AM radio at home and likes to waste time sitting on hold on the telephone?

Yes, there is a direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show. Your follow up points are valid, but calls are one of the only real, direct ways that hosts and producers can see that a topic is having an impact on their listening audience. As much as we want to hear the Bearcats talked about more and how strongly people say they will never listen or call in, our local hosts aren't paid to be cheerleaders for any particular team. They're paid to get listeners which the stations can then monetize in the form of paid advertising. It's not fun to hear, but it's the truth. Mo, Lance, all the others WANT to talk about UC sports but when they get little reaction they have to move to topics with a broader appeal like the Reds or Bengals. AGAIN, I know no one wants to hear this but it's the brutal reality of the situation. Do what you will with this information, just trying to give some insight.

UC fans would rather talk about Ohio State, the Bengals, Mike Brown, the Reds, maybe even Xavier before talking about our very own Bearcats!!!

(08-20-2014 01:19 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:58 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  On a related note, I was listening to Mo Egger on the radio while I drove out to Higher Ground last night. He had talked about Miller's injury and some unfortunately rather inarticulate guy called complaining that he didn't want to hear about any tO$U players on a Cincinnati radio station, but rather wanted to hear about the Bearcats and Mo's response was that he's had several UC football guests on recently and got no calls so stop kvetching about it. Do these guys seriously think there is some direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show? Nowadays the dwindling number of radio listeners out there usually listen in the car, and I for one am loathe to talk on the phone while driving. Who the hell listens to AM radio at home and likes to waste time sitting on hold on the telephone?

Yes, there is a direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show. Your follow up points are valid, but calls are one of the only real, direct ways that hosts and producers can see that a topic is having an impact on their listening audience. As much as we want to hear the Bearcats talked about more and how strongly people say they will never listen or call in, our local hosts aren't paid to be cheerleaders for any particular team. They're paid to get listeners which the stations can then monetize in the form of paid advertising. It's not fun to hear, but it's the truth. Mo, Lance, all the others WANT to talk about UC sports but when they get little reaction they have to move to topics with a broader appeal like the Reds or Bengals. AGAIN, I know no one wants to hear this but it's the brutal reality of the situation. Do what you will with this information, just trying to give some insight.

Don't radio stations get ratings much like television? That would seem to be a much better way to determine what topic is having an influence on their audience (not that it would necessarily demonstrate that UC deserves more coverage).

(08-20-2014 01:23 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  UC fans would rather talk about Ohio State, the Bengals, Mike Brown, the Reds, maybe even Xavier before talking about our very own Bearcats!!!

Complete and utter bullsh!t. Don't even come here with that stuff.

(08-20-2014 01:25 PM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:19 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:58 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  On a related note, I was listening to Mo Egger on the radio while I drove out to Higher Ground last night. He had talked about Miller's injury and some unfortunately rather inarticulate guy called complaining that he didn't want to hear about any tO$U players on a Cincinnati radio station, but rather wanted to hear about the Bearcats and Mo's response was that he's had several UC football guests on recently and got no calls so stop kvetching about it. Do these guys seriously think there is some direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show? Nowadays the dwindling number of radio listeners out there usually listen in the car, and I for one am loathe to talk on the phone while driving. Who the hell listens to AM radio at home and likes to waste time sitting on hold on the telephone?

Yes, there is a direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show. Your follow up points are valid, but calls are one of the only real, direct ways that hosts and producers can see that a topic is having an impact on their listening audience. As much as we want to hear the Bearcats talked about more and how strongly people say they will never listen or call in, our local hosts aren't paid to be cheerleaders for any particular team. They're paid to get listeners which the stations can then monetize in the form of paid advertising. It's not fun to hear, but it's the truth. Mo, Lance, all the others WANT to talk about UC sports but when they get little reaction they have to move to topics with a broader appeal like the Reds or Bengals. AGAIN, I know no one wants to hear this but it's the brutal reality of the situation. Do what you will with this information, just trying to give some insight.

Don't radio stations get ratings much like television? That would seem to be a much better way to determine what topic is having an influence on their audience (not that it would necessarily demonstrate that UC deserves more coverage).

They do get ratings but it's hard to tell when you're bouncing around from topic to topic over the course of a 3 hour show. I would say this though, what's a better way to tell right away if a TV show has a big impact or not: overnight ratings or people blowing up Twitter and other social media instantly? It's all part of creating buzz and interest.

(08-20-2014 01:29 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:25 PM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:19 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:58 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  On a related note, I was listening to Mo Egger on the radio while I drove out to Higher Ground last night. He had talked about Miller's injury and some unfortunately rather inarticulate guy called complaining that he didn't want to hear about any tO$U players on a Cincinnati radio station, but rather wanted to hear about the Bearcats and Mo's response was that he's had several UC football guests on recently and got no calls so stop kvetching about it. Do these guys seriously think there is some direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show? Nowadays the dwindling number of radio listeners out there usually listen in the car, and I for one am loathe to talk on the phone while driving. Who the hell listens to AM radio at home and likes to waste time sitting on hold on the telephone?

Yes, there is a direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show. Your follow up points are valid, but calls are one of the only real, direct ways that hosts and producers can see that a topic is having an impact on their listening audience. As much as we want to hear the Bearcats talked about more and how strongly people say they will never listen or call in, our local hosts aren't paid to be cheerleaders for any particular team. They're paid to get listeners which the stations can then monetize in the form of paid advertising. It's not fun to hear, but it's the truth. Mo, Lance, all the others WANT to talk about UC sports but when they get little reaction they have to move to topics with a broader appeal like the Reds or Bengals. AGAIN, I know no one wants to hear this but it's the brutal reality of the situation. Do what you will with this information, just trying to give some insight.

Don't radio stations get ratings much like television? That would seem to be a much better way to determine what topic is having an influence on their audience (not that it would necessarily demonstrate that UC deserves more coverage).

They do get ratings but it's hard to tell when you're bouncing around from topic to topic over the course of a 3 hour show. I would say this though, what's a better way to tell right away if a TV show has a big impact or not: overnight ratings or people blowing up Twitter and other social media instantly? It's all part of creating buzz and interest.

I agree with Jchuges7. If you want more coverage of UC sports on talk shows, call in to talk shows about UC sports. No offense to any individuals but complaining about lack of coverage in this forum, "boycotts", or telling us about the one time you tried to call a few years ago but didn't get on or whatever accomplishes nothing. They want listeners/viewers to attract advertisers. The cheapest, easiest and most obvious way to determine the topics that attract listeners/viewers is by those that call in. It's not a trick and it's not that complicated.

(08-20-2014 01:29 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:25 PM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:19 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:58 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  On a related note, I was listening to Mo Egger on the radio while I drove out to Higher Ground last night. He had talked about Miller's injury and some unfortunately rather inarticulate guy called complaining that he didn't want to hear about any tO$U players on a Cincinnati radio station, but rather wanted to hear about the Bearcats and Mo's response was that he's had several UC football guests on recently and got no calls so stop kvetching about it. Do these guys seriously think there is some direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show? Nowadays the dwindling number of radio listeners out there usually listen in the car, and I for one am loathe to talk on the phone while driving. Who the hell listens to AM radio at home and likes to waste time sitting on hold on the telephone?

Yes, there is a direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show. Your follow up points are valid, but calls are one of the only real, direct ways that hosts and producers can see that a topic is having an impact on their listening audience. As much as we want to hear the Bearcats talked about more and how strongly people say they will never listen or call in, our local hosts aren't paid to be cheerleaders for any particular team. They're paid to get listeners which the stations can then monetize in the form of paid advertising. It's not fun to hear, but it's the truth. Mo, Lance, all the others WANT to talk about UC sports but when they get little reaction they have to move to topics with a broader appeal like the Reds or Bengals. AGAIN, I know no one wants to hear this but it's the brutal reality of the situation. Do what you will with this information, just trying to give some insight.

Don't radio stations get ratings much like television? That would seem to be a much better way to determine what topic is having an influence on their audience (not that it would necessarily demonstrate that UC deserves more coverage).

They do get ratings but it's hard to tell when you're bouncing around from topic to topic over the course of a 3 hour show. I would say this though, what's a better way to tell right away if a TV show has a big impact or not: overnight ratings or people blowing up Twitter and other social media instantly? It's all part of creating buzz and interest.

I think a lot of local radio people think like this, but I can't help but believe this is outdated thinking. Listen to most the best national shows and they take very few calls and when they do the calls are all over the place. Cowherd talks repeatedly on the different ways he measures interest in topics and how he caters his show to those interests, I've never heard him talk about callers. I think talking callers is a limited way of looking at it, there are just too many better outlets for educated listeners to talk about sports and share their sports takes. Calling takes up time, often when someone is at their job and you don't always even get through. I and I think a ton of other listeners like sports talk radio for the interviews with people with knowledge about the sports and teams I am interested in. Radio shows that continue to depend on what a small, self selected, cross section of their audience wants to talk about when they call in are missing that point.

(08-20-2014 01:23 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  UC fans would rather talk about Ohio State, the Bengals, Mike Brown, the Reds, maybe even Xavier before talking about our very own Bearcats!!!

1. You continue to post total bs in this forum.
2. You end 90% of your posts with multiple exclamation points for some reason.
3. Dont inmail me and ask me to stop harassing you again.

(08-20-2014 01:29 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  I would say this though, what's a better way to tell right away if a TV show has a big impact or not: overnight ratings or people blowing up Twitter and other social media instantly? It's all part of creating buzz and interest.

So what does that have to do with radio callers? If Mo had said, I had UC guests on and no one made any mention of it on twitter or facebook, then you would have a point.

What percentage or listeners even try to call in to a radio show? Gotta be really low.

(08-20-2014 02:52 PM)levydl Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:29 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  I would say this though, what's a better way to tell right away if a TV show has a big impact or not: overnight ratings or people blowing up Twitter and other social media instantly? It's all part of creating buzz and interest.

So what does that have to do with radio callers? If Mo had said, I had UC guests on and no one made any mention of it on twitter or facebook, then you would have a point.

What percentage or listeners even try to call in to a radio show? Gotta be really low.

It's an analogy, that's all. I'm done trying to educate people on this. Keep thinking what you want to think, keep complaining about lack of coverage. Having worked for ESPN Radio in Bristol and in local radio for Clear Channel Cincinnati I thought I might be able to give some insight to the way the industry works. If you don't like what I have to say or you just can't accept it then that's your problem. There's just no pleasing some people... Go Bearcats.

(08-20-2014 02:26 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:29 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:25 PM)qsilvr2531 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:19 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:58 AM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  On a related note, I was listening to Mo Egger on the radio while I drove out to Higher Ground last night. He had talked about Miller's injury and some unfortunately rather inarticulate guy called complaining that he didn't want to hear about any tO$U players on a Cincinnati radio station, but rather wanted to hear about the Bearcats and Mo's response was that he's had several UC football guests on recently and got no calls so stop kvetching about it. Do these guys seriously think there is some direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show? Nowadays the dwindling number of radio listeners out there usually listen in the car, and I for one am loathe to talk on the phone while driving. Who the hell listens to AM radio at home and likes to waste time sitting on hold on the telephone?

Yes, there is a direct correlation between interest in a topic and how many people call their show. Your follow up points are valid, but calls are one of the only real, direct ways that hosts and producers can see that a topic is having an impact on their listening audience. As much as we want to hear the Bearcats talked about more and how strongly people say they will never listen or call in, our local hosts aren't paid to be cheerleaders for any particular team. They're paid to get listeners which the stations can then monetize in the form of paid advertising. It's not fun to hear, but it's the truth. Mo, Lance, all the others WANT to talk about UC sports but when they get little reaction they have to move to topics with a broader appeal like the Reds or Bengals. AGAIN, I know no one wants to hear this but it's the brutal reality of the situation. Do what you will with this information, just trying to give some insight.

Don't radio stations get ratings much like television? That would seem to be a much better way to determine what topic is having an influence on their audience (not that it would necessarily demonstrate that UC deserves more coverage).

They do get ratings but it's hard to tell when you're bouncing around from topic to topic over the course of a 3 hour show. I would say this though, what's a better way to tell right away if a TV show has a big impact or not: overnight ratings or people blowing up Twitter and other social media instantly? It's all part of creating buzz and interest.

I think a lot of local radio people think like this, but I can't help but believe this is outdated thinking. Listen to most the best national shows and they take very few calls and when they do the calls are all over the place. Cowherd talks repeatedly on the different ways he measures interest in topics and how he caters his show to those interests, I've never heard him talk about callers. I think talking callers is a limited way of looking at it, there are just too many better outlets for educated listeners to talk about sports and share their sports takes. Calling takes up time, often when someone is at their job and you don't always even get through. I and I think a ton of other listeners like sports talk radio for the interviews with people with knowledge about the sports and teams I am interested in. Radio shows that continue to depend on what a small, self selected, cross section of their audience wants to talk about when they call in are missing that point.

I think Mark just did a better job of summing up what I was trying to say earlier. If I'm listening to one of these shows, I often turn it off when they start taking callers because it quickly becomes tedious and boring. I listen to get more info, not to hear some guy who often seems to know less factually than I do. Listening to the one millionth guy call in saying that Pete Rose should be in the Hall of Fame or Joey Votto gets paid too much is like fingernails on a chalkboard.
These rambling lecture/monologues by a single host sitting alone in a studio are also painful to listen to as well. Personally, I would prefer a show where they have well informed guests on a topic and then have two or more hosts who have done their homework discuss it. Maybe the format is the way it is because it's too expensive to have more than one host? I guess ads for boner pills and testosterone tests don't add up to much revenue.
Notice how we all post on here when there's a guest coming up on one of these radio shows with a UC connection? People will listen if they're given something to listen to which interests them.

I'm with Mark. I think that the programming directors are woefully out of touch with their listeners. That is why Cincinnati sports talk radio can't compete with national shows... they worry too much about phone calls than having interesting local talk.

I think we've now identified our disconnect on this issue. I've been speaking as to the way things are, many of you are speaking of the way you want things to be. I understand now. Are changes in programming philosophy needed? Absolutely. Will they come? Who knows. Thank you all for explaining yourselves, it certainly clears things up for me.

BTW mlb, locals sports talk radio doesn't and usually shouldn't try to compete with national shows. It's an apples and oranges comparison of the products. That being said, many elements can be borrowed from one another to make both products better but that's another topic for another thread.

(08-20-2014 03:33 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  BTW mlb, locals sports talk radio doesn't and usually shouldn't try to compete with national shows. It's an apples and oranges comparison of the products. That being said, many elements can be borrowed from one another to make both products better but that's another topic for another thread.

I understand that, the problem is that they talk too much non-local talk on local radio.

For example, I know that Lance loves to talk Ohio State. I know there are some local OSU fans... but guess what? Most of the listeners that truly care about Ohio State are listening to Columbus stations (at least in my opinion). If I were wanting to get the real scoop on OSU sports, I'm certainly not listening to WLW or 1530. I'm going to go to a Columbus station either over the air or through IHeartRadio. I always thought the Enquirer was dumb for covering OSU as much as they did too... after the internet became widespread people could go to the Dispatch site and get all the OSU info they wanted, and it would be better and more timely than on the Enquirer site.

Local sports talk should be local sports talk.

Drop this Notre Dame garbage. Drop this OSU garbage. Drop this UK garbage.

It should go in this order...

1. Reds
2. Bengals
3. Bearcats
4. Xavier
5. Miami
5. Whatever big national thing is going on, but it should be the lowest priority

They should talk about the local happenings, and have guests related to each of those. In November and December the Reds shouldn't have any talk except Reds Fest.

From February through March there should be no Bengals talk. Talk Bengals in April during the draft, some in May with the OTAs and such, then shut up until camp starts. They should be talking UC and Miami from August through April, then shut up. They should be talking Xavier from November through April, then shut up. Cover the in season LOCAL sports teams.

Remember when they tried to simulcast Lance in Dayton about 10 years back? It was a disaster. The ratings for 980 tanked big time compared to their local talk that covered Dayton and Wright State because:

1. He didn't talk about them enough
2. When he did, he talked about stuff that was a week old

980 dropped him after a few months and now they have a local show again... talking local sports.

Have you seen the number 1 station during the 3-6 hour? Eddie and Tracy. Why are they number 1? They almost always talk LOCAL talk, very little non-greater Cincinnati talk.

(08-20-2014 03:47 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 03:33 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  BTW mlb, locals sports talk radio doesn't and usually shouldn't try to compete with national shows. It's an apples and oranges comparison of the products. That being said, many elements can be borrowed from one another to make both products better but that's another topic for another thread.

I understand that, the problem is that they talk too much non-local talk on local radio.

For example, I know that Lance loves to talk Ohio State. I know there are some local OSU fans... but guess what? Most of the listeners that truly care about Ohio State are listening to Columbus stations (at least in my opinion). If I were wanting to get the real scoop on OSU sports, I'm certainly not listening to WLW or 1530. I'm going to go to a Columbus station either over the air or through IHeartRadio. I always thought the Enquirer was dumb for covering OSU as much as they did too... after the internet became widespread people could go to the Dispatch site and get all the OSU info they wanted, and it would be better and more timely than on the Enquirer site.

Local sports talk should be local sports talk.

Drop this Notre Dame garbage. Drop this OSU garbage. Drop this UK garbage.

It should go in this order...

1. Reds
2. Bengals
3. Bearcats
4. Xavier
5. Miami
5. Whatever big national thing is going on, but it should be the lowest priority

They should talk about the local happenings, and have guests related to each of those. In November and December the Reds shouldn't have any talk except Reds Fest.

From February through March there should be no Bengals talk. Talk Bengals in April during the draft, some in May with the OTAs and such, then shut up until camp starts. They should be talking UC and Miami from August through April, then shut up. They should be talking Xavier from November through April, then shut up. Cover the in season LOCAL sports teams.

Remember when they tried to simulcast Lance in Dayton about 10 years back? It was a disaster. The ratings for 980 tanked big time compared to their local talk that covered Dayton and Wright State because:

1. He didn't talk about them enough
2. When he did, he talked about stuff that was a week old

980 dropped him after a few months and now they have a local show again... talking local sports.

Have you seen the number 1 station during the 3-6 hour? Eddie and Tracy. Why are they number 1? They almost always talk LOCAL talk, very little non-greater Cincinnati talk.

Well Said

I rarely listen to local sports talk and never listen to Lance.
I can only take so much Reds talk and get tired of all the o$U, ND and UK talk

The local media hurts UC in developing the fan base. All the attention they give to schools outside of the area.

(08-20-2014 03:47 PM)mlb Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 03:33 PM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  BTW mlb, locals sports talk radio doesn't and usually shouldn't try to compete with national shows. It's an apples and oranges comparison of the products. That being said, many elements can be borrowed from one another to make both products better but that's another topic for another thread.

I understand that, the problem is that they talk too much non-local talk on local radio.

For example, I know that Lance loves to talk Ohio State. I know there are some local OSU fans... but guess what? Most of the listeners that truly care about Ohio State are listening to Columbus stations (at least in my opinion). If I were wanting to get the real scoop on OSU sports, I'm certainly not listening to WLW or 1530. I'm going to go to a Columbus station either over the air or through IHeartRadio. I always thought the Enquirer was dumb for covering OSU as much as they did too... after the internet became widespread people could go to the Dispatch site and get all the OSU info they wanted, and it would be better and more timely than on the Enquirer site.

Local sports talk should be local sports talk.

Drop this Notre Dame garbage. Drop this OSU garbage. Drop this UK garbage.

It should go in this order...

1. Reds
2. Bengals
3. Bearcats
4. Xavier
5. Miami
5. Whatever big national thing is going on, but it should be the lowest priority

They should talk about the local happenings, and have guests related to each of those. In November and December the Reds shouldn't have any talk except Reds Fest.

From February through March there should be no Bengals talk. Talk Bengals in April during the draft, some in May with the OTAs and such, then shut up until camp starts. They should be talking UC and Miami from August through April, then shut up. They should be talking Xavier from November through April, then shut up. Cover the in season LOCAL sports teams.

Remember when they tried to simulcast Lance in Dayton about 10 years back? It was a disaster. The ratings for 980 tanked big time compared to their local talk that covered Dayton and Wright State because:

1. He didn't talk about them enough
2. When he did, he talked about stuff that was a week old

980 dropped him after a few months and now they have a local show again... talking local sports.

Have you seen the number 1 station during the 3-6 hour? Eddie and Tracy. Why are they number 1? They almost always talk LOCAL talk, very little non-greater Cincinnati talk.

I agree with everything you said 100%. But why is there OSU, UK or ND coverage? Because fans of those schools are vocal and have demanded it. Sad but true reality. If we want more UC coverage, to the point where it pushes out other schools and topics, we need to stand up and force those who make decisions to do so. Unfortunately, this fan base doesn't do that or expects it to be done just because.

Believe me, I want more UC coverage and little to none on other schools, but WE have to stand up and prove that we're going to make it worth a company's while to make us a priority. Same things that WE need to do in order to look more appealing to a better conference.

Pitt has a local radio program dedicated to Pitt for set time, not sure why we cant do that

(08-20-2014 04:47 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Pitt has a local radio program dedicated to Pitt for set time, not sure why we cant do that

link?

(08-20-2014 05:26 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 04:47 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Pitt has a local radio program dedicated to Pitt for set time, not sure why we cant do that

link?

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEV7u6L...j0KhjcoWw-



Pitt has a three hour pre-game show-- UC gets half an hour. They also do a post game show, which includes the coaches press conference.

Pat Bostick has a two hour show each day dedicated to college football.

http://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0LEV7u6L...j0KhjcoWw-