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CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
Quote:A leader for the Texas branch of the Council on American Islamic Relations has told a crowd at a rally for Islam that members of the faith really shouldn’t be bound by American law.

“If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land,” said Mustafa Carroll, the executive director of the Dallas-Fort Worth CAIR branch, a keynote speaker as the recent rally.

The event was a rally in Austin, a part of the nationwide effort to hold “Muslim Capitol Day” events.

CAIR itself has been under investigation for its documented ties to terrorist organizations in the past. Some details revealed by Daniel Pipes are that:

CAIR funded the Holy Land Foundation, which was used to funnel money to Hamas. President Bush shut down Holy Land Foundation, which CAIR called “unjust” and “disturbing.”
CAIR denied Osama Bin Laden was behind 9/11, even though Bin Laden said so on camera.
CAIR demanded removal of a billboard in Los Angeles in 1998 that described Osama bin Laden as “the sworn enemy,” saying that this description was “offensive to Muslims.” [Osama had by this point released his Declaration of War on the United States.]
CAIR called the conviction of the 1993 WTC bombers “a travesty of justice.”
CAIR called the conviction of Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh who planned to blow up New York City landmarks, a “hate crime.”
CAIR labeled the extradition order for suspected Hamas terrorist Mousa Abu Marook “anti-Islamic” and “anti-American.”

CAIR also had on its advisory board Siraj Wahhaj, an unindicted co-conspirator in the attempted 1993 WTC bombings. It was the same Siraj Wahhaj who was asked to deliver the “Juma,” or invocation at the Democratic National Convention for President Obama. He also once remarked, “It is my duty and our duty as Muslims to replace the U.S. Constitution with the Quran.”

According to the website about the event, Muslims from around Texas went to the Capitol in Austin to “promote civic and political activism throughout the wider Muslim community.”

The organization reported, “One major issue discussed was the recent House and Senate bill proposals involving the implementation of “˜anti-Shariah” legislation, where the First Amendment rights and freedoms of Muslims would ultimately be hindered.”

Critics allege that Shariah prohibits other faiths from free exercise when enforced, and would actually invalidate the American First Amendment, unless practitioners were Muslim.

Carroll’s statement was similar to a statement made by CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad, who is on record saying, “Islam isn’t in America to be equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Quran”¦should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only accepted religion on earth.”

Carroll began joking about the widespread concern surrounding Shariah, the religious code that governs all Muslim civil and political life, saying, “We tried to downplay Shariah, because we didn’t want to give the other side any excitement for being here.”

He dismissed critics who express concern about Shariah as simply “anti-foreign,” telling the audience, “When you even say the word Shariah, people get nervous. We are not advocating for Shariah. We are not trying to make Shariah the law of the land.”

Carroll claimed that all Muslims want is the “right to practice our faith.”

But he also said, “If you understand Shariah, the foundation of our faith”¦how we treat our neighbor, how we treat our parents”¦how we participate in society, all of that is part of Shariah.”

Carroll is on record defending Hamas, considered by many to be a terrorist group.

“I think you can only blame Hamas for so long. It takes two to tango. And I think, you know, that what we've heard for a number of years is this terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, terrorist, Hamas, Hamas, Hamas, was not just Hamas,” he’s said.

And at CAIR”s Dallas banquet in 2007, Carroll said, “Look at the true cause of the terrorism. It’s not somebody is reading a book, reading a Quran, and then go out and say, “˜Well, the Quran told me to blow this up. I'm gonna blow it up.” The cause, the root cause of terrorism is oppression. The root cause of terrorism is oppression.”…


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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
Quote:If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land,” said Mustafa Carroll,

Sounds like liberals
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
(08-24-2014 04:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....

I have to give credit where credit is due, you manage to get your agenda into situations that I didn't think was possible.

The problem with what you're thinking is that people with religious views would rather do nothing than bake a cake for something they disagree with. In their scenario, they're the ones taking the action/inaction, in other words, they're passive to the situation.

Do you think Muslims will let you get away with being passive to their religion?
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CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
All members of CAIR should be tried for treason.
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
So how long are we going to tolerate this organization?
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
(08-24-2014 04:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 04:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....

I have to give credit where credit is due, you manage to get your agenda into situations that I didn't think was possible.

The problem with what you're thinking is that people with religious views would rather do nothing than bake a cake for something they disagree with. In their scenario, they're the ones taking the action/inaction, in other words, they're passive to the situation.

Do you think Muslims will let you get away with being passive to their religion?

Again, I see no difference between Islamists saying that they should be exempt from laws because they feel that complying with the law would compromise their religious beliefs and when evangelical Christians do the same exact thing.

The solution...a secular set of laws.
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
(08-24-2014 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 04:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 04:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....

I have to give credit where credit is due, you manage to get your agenda into situations that I didn't think was possible.

The problem with what you're thinking is that people with religious views would rather do nothing than bake a cake for something they disagree with. In their scenario, they're the ones taking the action/inaction, in other words, they're passive to the situation.

Do you think Muslims will let you get away with being passive to their religion?

Again, I see no difference between Islamists saying that they should be exempt from laws because they feel that complying with the law would compromise their religious beliefs and when evangelical Christians do the same exact thing.

The solution...a secular set of laws.

Christians don't want laws telling them what to do. Muslims want laws telling you what to do.
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
(08-24-2014 06:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 04:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 04:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....

I have to give credit where credit is due, you manage to get your agenda into situations that I didn't think was possible.

The problem with what you're thinking is that people with religious views would rather do nothing than bake a cake for something they disagree with. In their scenario, they're the ones taking the action/inaction, in other words, they're passive to the situation.

Do you think Muslims will let you get away with being passive to their religion?

Again, I see no difference between Islamists saying that they should be exempt from laws because they feel that complying with the law would compromise their religious beliefs and when evangelical Christians do the same exact thing.

The solution...a secular set of laws.

Christians don't want laws telling them what to do. Muslims want laws telling you what to do.

Christians have a long history of supporting laws telling others what to do (even those that don't support their religion)
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
(08-24-2014 06:32 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 06:23 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 04:21 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 04:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....

I have to give credit where credit is due, you manage to get your agenda into situations that I didn't think was possible.

The problem with what you're thinking is that people with religious views would rather do nothing than bake a cake for something they disagree with. In their scenario, they're the ones taking the action/inaction, in other words, they're passive to the situation.

Do you think Muslims will let you get away with being passive to their religion?

Again, I see no difference between Islamists saying that they should be exempt from laws because they feel that complying with the law would compromise their religious beliefs and when evangelical Christians do the same exact thing.

The solution...a secular set of laws.

Christians don't want laws telling them what to do. Muslims want laws telling you what to do.

You are wasting your time. Tom thinks Christians are a hate group...unless they go against the gospel of Christ and accept homosexuality. He thinks the government should force you to go against your faith because he wants a gay wedding cake and won't either accept a plain wedding cake or go to one of the hundreds of other bakers willing to bake him a gay wedding cake.
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
(08-24-2014 04:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....

Im opposed to any legislation regarding religious non compliance with laws as long as those following that faith practice the axiom of non violence. That is not the case here.
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(08-24-2014 04:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  So how long are we going to tolerate this organization?

I have zero tolerance for violent people...regardless of their faith.

Usher their asses out of the country.
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
He must be a muslim too. Anyway, he thinks like one.
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Re: RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
(08-24-2014 04:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....

So then you would endorse Islamic extremists murdering Christians in the streets because their religion tells them to even though murder is against the law? Gotcha.

You see, your logic fails because in your haste to try to turn this into an attack on conservatives and Christians you don't realize your reference to Obamacare mandating an action that violates religious beliefs is in completely different than allowing an action that violates a law because a religion mandates it.

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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
(08-24-2014 10:16 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  
(08-24-2014 04:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....

So then you would endorse Islamic extremists murdering Christians in the streets because their religion tells them to even though murder is against the law? Gotcha.

You see, your logic fails because in your haste to try to turn this into an attack on conservatives and Christians you don't realize your reference to Obamacare mandating an action that violates religious beliefs is in completely different than allowing an action that violates a law because a religion mandates it.

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200, Tom was going to take this down the path of Christians imposing their views on the gay agenda.
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RE: CAIR Leader: If we are practicing Muslims, we are above the law of the land”
(08-24-2014 04:11 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Ok...so I guess you'd be opposed to legislation allowing persons to ignore laws simply because they believe their interpretation of their religion tells them they can....

Of course... And when the law goes too far to squash peoples liberty I hope the court steps in and restores the proper balance..

You know, like they did with Hobby Lobby...
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