If Texas runs off to join the Pac. It may happen. It may not but, if it did happen. The B1G Would most likely take Missouri and Kansas. That is if Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahom and Oklahoma State all went to the Pac.

The SEC would take WVU, Kansas State and Possibly Iowa State or Baylor. This would leave TCU and either Iowa State or Baylor left out.

I would suggest that the AAC forgo taking any of those and instead add, NIU (Illinoise), Old Dominion (Virginia), Army (New York) and AFA (Colorado).

Adding those states with Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Tenn, Oklahoma, N. Carolina, Ohio, Maryland and Conn, would give the AAC a Conference Footprint with approximately 140 million people in it.

The B1G would be the next closest Conference with 115 million people in it's footprint after adding Missouri and Kansas. Next would be the ACC with about 108 million People and then the SEC with 107 million people with the Pac left with around 98 million people. The ACC will go up depending on whom they invite. They were not given credit for N.D. as it's only an associate member. However the ACC could become the second largest in population footprint but could not overtake the AAC without adding the state of Texas or California.

I'm thinking that the networks care more about the conferences footprint and how many states they can get cable rights in mor ethen they do performance on the field.

Just some food for thought in this mixed up world where Footprint matters.

The Naval Academy is in Colorado?

If the PAC did take the Texoma 4. Then I agree the Big10 might take Missouri and KU "IF" KU could seperate from KSU. That is a big if. And the SEC would likely take WVU to replace Missouri. But IMO that is where you plan ends.

If all of that happens the remainder of the Big12..Iowa State, K-State, Baylor, TCU would cherry pick the AAC and the MWC and retain the Big12 name and probably many of their contracts for bowls etc.

Probably pick all or six from Houston, SMU, Cincy, Memphis, New Mexico, AFA, Boise and BYU.

Fresno, SDSU, UConn, East Carolina, Central Florida and South Florida are all possibles but likely too far out of the footprint.

(08-24-2014 05:02 PM)chargeradio Wrote:  The Naval Academy is in Colorado?

Right? And the big 10 is going to raid the sec for Mizzou? This is completely incoherent.

(08-24-2014 03:25 PM)USFRamenu Wrote:  If Texas runs off to join the Pac. It may happen. It may not but, if it did happen. The B1G Would most likely take Missouri and Kansas. That is if Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahom and Oklahoma State all went to the Pac.

The SEC would take WVU, Kansas State and Possibly Iowa State or Baylor. This would leave TCU and either Iowa State or Baylor left out.

I would suggest that the AAC forgo taking any of those and instead add, NIU (Illinoise), Old Dominion (Virginia), Army (New York) and Navy (Colorado).

Adding those states with Texas, Florida, Louisiana, Tenn, Oklahoma, N. Carolina, Ohio, Maryland and Conn, would give the AAC a Conference Footprint with approximately 140 million people in it.

The B1G would be the next closest Conference with 115 million people in it's footprint after adding Missouri and Kansas. Next would be the ACC with about 108 million People and then the SEC with 107 million people with the Pac left with around 98 million people. The ACC will go up depending on whom they invite. They were not given credit for N.D. as it's only an associate member. However the ACC could become the second largest in population footprint but could not overtake the AAC without adding the state of Texas or California.

I'm thinking that the networks care more about the conferences footprint and how many states they can get cable rights in mor ethen they do performance on the field.

Just some food for thought in this mixed up world where Footprint matters.

The networks care about how many people tune in to those schools (the imprint), not how many people are in the 'footprint'.

If the big 12 is splitting up, I can almost guarantee that all 10 schools would find a P5 home just to avoid lawsuits from schools like Baylor.

With that said, it is hard to imagine all 10 schools finding a P5 home, so I think the big 12 is stuck.

(08-24-2014 05:05 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  If the PAC did take the Texoma 4. Then I agree the Big10 might take Missouri and KU "IF" KU could seperate from KSU. That is a big if. And the SEC would likely take WVU to replace Missouri. But IMO that is where you plan ends.

If all of that happens the remainder of the Big12..Iowa State, K-State, Baylor, TCU would cherry pick the AAC and the MWC and retain the Big12 name and probably many of their contracts for bowls etc.

Probably pick all or six from Houston, SMU, Cincy, Memphis, New Mexico, AFA, Boise and BYU.

Fresno, SDSU, UConn, East Carolina, Central Florida and South Florida are all possibles but likely too far out of the footprint.

If crap hits the fan, KU will be able to separate. Better for the state to have 1 school in a power conference than none. KU's president has said before that we are not tied to KSU. We just prefer to remain together, if possible.

(08-24-2014 05:18 PM)goofus Wrote:  If the big 12 is splitting up, I can almost guarantee that all 10 schools would find a P5 home just to avoid lawsuits from schools like Baylor.

With that said, it is hard to imagine all 10 schools finding a P5 home, so I think the big 12 is stuck.

If the B12 splits up -and it's not likely to happen- I could easily see as many as 6 schools landing in the PAC12 (making it the PAC18), with the remaining schools winding up in the AAC. If the B12 splits up, I think that the AAC will be the one who feeds and not the one who is eaten.

We would add TCU, Iowa State, WVU and Baylor.

(08-24-2014 09:49 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:18 PM)goofus Wrote:  If the big 12 is splitting up, I can almost guarantee that all 10 schools would find a P5 home just to avoid lawsuits from schools like Baylor.

With that said, it is hard to imagine all 10 schools finding a P5 home, so I think the big 12 is stuck.

If the B12 splits up -and it's not likely to happen- I could easily see as many as 6 schools landing in the PAC12 (making it the PAC18), with the remaining schools winding up in the AAC. If the B12 splits up, I think that the AAC will be the one who feeds and not the one who is eaten.

We would add TCU, Iowa State, WVU and Baylor.

The leftovers of the B12 would be Iowa St,kansas st,Baylor and tcu for the AAC.

(08-24-2014 09:05 PM)jhawkmvp Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:05 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  If the PAC did take the Texoma 4. Then I agree the Big10 might take Missouri and KU "IF" KU could seperate from KSU. That is a big if. And the SEC would likely take WVU to replace Missouri. But IMO that is where you plan ends.

If all of that happens the remainder of the Big12..Iowa State, K-State, Baylor, TCU would cherry pick the AAC and the MWC and retain the Big12 name and probably many of their contracts for bowls etc.

Probably pick all or six from Houston, SMU, Cincy, Memphis, New Mexico, AFA, Boise and BYU.

Fresno, SDSU, UConn, East Carolina, Central Florida and South Florida are all possibles but likely too far out of the footprint.

If crap hits the fan, KU will be able to separate. Better for the state to have 1 school in a power conference than none. KU's president has said before that we are not tied to KSU. We just prefer to remain together, if possible.

And I seriously doubt Missouri would be leaving the SEC, unless the SEC needed room for a threesome, and then it would happen only if Missouri wanted it too. But for all of you people outside of the SEC circle who keep positing W.V.U. to replace Missouri, please hold your breath!

The SEC would grow again with a North Carolina school, a Virginia School, Oklahoma, or Texas. Outside possibilities might be Oklahoma State for a bigger piece of the DFW area, Florida State under the right conditions, but West Virginia would only creep into the discussion at 24 schools, and then only if things broke the right way.

The SEC enhanced it's academics with A&M and Missouri (both being AAU). It was a compromise on the expansion committee that we seek new markets, decent athletics, and academic enhancement.

West Virginia doesn't play the requisite number of sports, would have to enhance facilities, drop beer sales (prohibited in the SEC) and drastically improve their academic standing in order to move up the prospects list.

Now to the main point. The only way Texas heads to the PAC is if the PACN sells a % of itself to ESPN. Texas is tied to the Mouse until 2031 and even for 40 year olds that's a long time. For me it is an eternity.

So the premise of this thread is a non-starter. Then the usual assumptions that make posters look foolish begins. Missouri may not be signed to a grant of rights with the SEC per se, but I'm sure that ESPN has one for the SECN. And remember why the Big 10 didn't take them anyway. The Big 10 wanted Eastern markets and the Big 10 already carries St.Louis and Kansas City so why should they pay Mizzou? But if you want to have fantasies about how the ACC is going to catch up financially then just talk about the ACCN. And if the point is to talk about how the AAC is going to catch up then that only happens if the Big 12 and ACC are absorbed and a 4th conference is constructed out of remnants. Otherwise back-filling to keep one of those alive would further erode the AAC.

(08-24-2014 10:10 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 09:49 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:18 PM)goofus Wrote:  If the big 12 is splitting up, I can almost guarantee that all 10 schools would find a P5 home just to avoid lawsuits from schools like Baylor.

With that said, it is hard to imagine all 10 schools finding a P5 home, so I think the big 12 is stuck.

If the B12 splits up -and it's not likely to happen- I could easily see as many as 6 schools landing in the PAC12 (making it the PAC18), with the remaining schools winding up in the AAC. If the B12 splits up, I think that the AAC will be the one who feeds and not the one who is eaten.

We would add TCU, Iowa State, WVU and Baylor.

The leftovers of the B12 would be Iowa St,kansas st,Baylor and tcu for the AAC.

I believe you guys have that backwards. The remaining Big12 schools would cherry pick the AAC and MWC, and retain the Big12 name and most of it contracts for bowl games etc. .

The MAC plays football in primetime on nights when there are no other teams in the country playing. Their market is the whole danged country.

(08-24-2014 10:36 PM)SMUmustangs Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 10:10 PM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 09:49 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:18 PM)goofus Wrote:  

I believe you have that backwards. The remaining Big12 schools would cherry pick the AAC and MWC, and retain the Big12 name and most of it contracts for bowl games etc. .

Exactly right, The B12 first off won't lose everyone a once, they like the AAC last time will fill in from below. The top of AAC and MWC would get called up and maybe BYU. They currently have their bowl deals locked up, depending on how they are written, they wouldn't lose them short term.

(08-24-2014 05:18 PM)goofus Wrote:  If the big 12 is splitting up, I can almost guarantee that all 10 schools would find a P5 home just to avoid lawsuits from schools like Baylor.

I would only point out that there are currently three schools who were in the BCS who were left out of the power leagues and they apparently don't have grounds to sue. Not saying this would or would not happen, but I don't think the threat of a lawsuit is going to force a conference to take a school they otherwise don't want.

(08-24-2014 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Now to the main point. The only way Texas heads to the PAC is if the PACN sells a % of itself to ESPN. Texas is tied to the Mouse until 2031 and even for 40 year olds that's a long time. For me it is an eternity.

Just a point to note: there is an out-clause with the LHN if Texas were to join a conference. The LHN isn't keeping them where the are contractually. It is keeping them there because it is what they want.

(08-25-2014 09:33 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 05:18 PM)goofus Wrote:  If the big 12 is splitting up, I can almost guarantee that all 10 schools would find a P5 home just to avoid lawsuits from schools like Baylor.

I would only point out that there are currently three schools who were in the BCS who were left out of the power leagues and they apparently don't have grounds to sue. Not saying this would or would not happen, but I don't think the threat of a lawsuit is going to force a conference to take a school they otherwise don't want.

(08-24-2014 10:34 PM)JRsec Wrote:  Now to the main point. The only way Texas heads to the PAC is if the PACN sells a % of itself to ESPN. Texas is tied to the Mouse until 2031 and even for 40 year olds that's a long time. For me it is an eternity.

Just a point to note: there is an out-clause with the LHN if Texas were to join a conference. The LHN isn't keeping them where the are contractually. It is keeping them there because it is what they want.

While the out clause for the joining of another conference is interesting, there is also one said to exist based upon the economic performance of the network. But in any event the 15 million a year is a gentle tether designed to keep Bevo grazing in the right pasture. But I agree that the LHN is keeping them where they want to be, for now.

(08-24-2014 11:23 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  The MAC plays football in primetime on nights when there are no other teams in the country playing. Their market is the whole danged country.

Is their market really the whole country? My guess is the Sunbelt could do the same numbers on Tuesday nights when theres no competition. I'd say those weeknight slots with no competition are the real key. The fact that the MAC gives up little in the way attendance by playing on Tuesdays makes the MAC a perfect fit for those slots. Sunbelt and CUSA schools might not be as happy with those slots as I think their attendance would be more impacted. To be fair, I think the Army-Navy game time slot has a similar dynamic.

That said, the early week night broadcast slots are working for the MAC and the conference has begun to carve out a niche in the market with their willingness to fill a sports void on those nights.

LMAO!!!! Sorry guys. I was talking with some Navy friends when I wrote this. I've since corrected it. I meant AFA in Colorado.

Texas has no interest in the PAC 12 and their fans have no interest in the PAC 12

The Big 10 is done with MU after MU leaked word that they were talking to the Big 10 which is what set Nebraska into a panic and spoiled the plans by the Big 10 to get the teams they really wanted.....unless you really believe their plan was to get Rutgers and Maryland all along

The Big 10 will never forgive MU for that

(08-25-2014 04:55 PM)TodgeRodge Wrote:  Texas has no interest in the PAC 12 and their fans have no interest in the PAC 12

The Big 10 is done with MU after MU leaked word that they were talking to the Big 10 which is what set Nebraska into a panic and spoiled the plans by the Big 10 to get the teams they really wanted.....unless you really believe their plan was to get Rutgers and Maryland all along

The Big 10 will never forgive MU for that

And you're in their board room while this is being discussed?

Listen up, if there is money to be made by the move, it will be done.

This is just a thought anyway. Don't get overly worked up about it.

(08-24-2014 05:18 PM)goofus Wrote:  If the big 12 is splitting up, I can almost guarantee that all 10 schools would find a P5 home just to avoid lawsuits from schools like Baylor.

With that said, it is hard to imagine all 10 schools finding a P5 home, so I think the big 12 is stuck.

If the people in charge want "The Plan" to happen sooner rather than a decade and a half from now, they will place every single Big 12 team in one of the other Major conferences.

With every single change that has come down the pipe so far, we have seen major increases in profitability. Look at the difference in cost for a ticket to the new Playoff Championship game versus the BCS Championship game. Everything that is coming is all about profitability and so is "The Big Plan".

These people don't want to wait 15 years for it. The Networks will pay and the amount of money they make in the next decade due to these upcoming changes will more than pay for what it takes to make it all happen.

ESPN has basically taken over ownership of the College Playoff. They know the money is in tournaments.

It is all about expanding the Playoff AND conference postseasons. Expect changes that appear to be somewhat like what the NFL does. That is because College football is replacing much of what the NFL took from the likes of ESPN, CBS and Fox. Expect NBC Sports to get into the fray as well. The AAC championship tournament on NBC Sports is a possibility.