(08-24-2014 04:10 PM)mikeinsec127 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 03:41 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 01:33 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 12:06 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Instead of UCF?
Good times, good times.

No, because that never happened. More BS from the C-USA call-ups...

And u weren't? Meatball wanted to bring us in with usf after Miami and fsu left but was torpedoed. So tired of this bs.
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First, that was a different era and a different commissioner. That was Mike Tranghese, not John Marinatto. Second, UMass was D1aa at that time. The OP doesn't seem to be talking about the original ACC raid when the BE took USF from CUSA and UCF moved up from the MAC to CUSA. He is talking about post 2010, so try again. BTW, when was FSU ever in the BE?

I meant When Miami left and joined the acc as did Fsu. You and I both know fsu was never a member. Tranghese and meatball wanted to add us then. I believe meatball came up with the original plan.
My post was in reference to Cali cat and the call ups remark. I was simply reminding him that cincy was a cusa call up as well and that we almost went in at the same time. Most of the conference was a cusa call up although his use of the phrase is implying some sort of supremacy because we were officially invited 5 to 6 years later.
Bottom line is I am tired of that phrase being used in a derogative manner as everyone in this conf outside of uconn and maybe temple (since they went back to the Mac) was a cusa call up.
Please note I quoted Cali cat directly and the op indirectly because it was part of the chain. If I was responding to the op I would have quoted the original post. Lastly we can do without the sarcasm.


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(08-24-2014 10:17 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I meant When Miami left and joined the acc as did Fsu. You and I both know fsu was never a member. Tranghese and meatball wanted to add us then. I believe meatball came up with the original plan.

Just to clarify this, and the meaing notes confirmed it, it was less that UCF was who was originally wanted, and more that of the two Florida schools considered, they had the initial highest ranking. Then when the vetting was done for all potential cnadidates, USF was ranked higher. I can't spoeak for UCF's position at the time, but bewteen the two, if only was to be chosen, because USF was in a conference with 4 other members that had already been chosen to join, and you had four presidents vouching for USF, and no one in the conference who was really familiar with UCF, it is pretty easy to see why they were chosen. Not to mention USF had just transitioned from 1AA was showing promise playing in a tougher conference.

Now from there, if you want to take issue with USF working to keep UCF out, well don't blame that on the other members. A unilateral vote was not required, but no team who had substantial resistance from a current member was going to be proactively added unless everyone else was completely adamant on their addition. There was no such team who existed while the Big East 2.0 was in operation, until TCU made their second BCS run. So UCF and Temple were never going to be added in a Big East voluntary expansion

(08-24-2014 04:51 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Don't recall UMass ever being considered by BE. Villanova, yes. UMass, no. And in hindsight, yes UCF, TCU, etc. Should have been brought in earlier, but no one knew conf would implode. There was serious discussion BE would raid remnants of B12 at one time.

Maybe that's what the OP is mis-remembering. Oh those 'Nova days we're weird. I still can't believe that Nova considered the invite, made us all wait around until they revealed their 'plan', and it was to play in an unexpanded 18K PPL Park. That was wholly the BB schools, as a 'compromise' to add TCU. Sent Pitt and WV into meltdown mode, IIRC.

In truth, I don't think any fb addition would have prevented the defections. But, it would have made us a bit more solid during the transition. Luckily, we got all the teams onboard and have this solid new conference to build up.

(08-25-2014 08:26 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 10:17 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I meant When Miami left and joined the acc as did Fsu. You and I both know fsu was never a member. Tranghese and meatball wanted to add us then. I believe meatball came up with the original plan.

Just to clarify this, and the meaing notes confirmed it, it was less that UCF was who was originally wanted, and more that of the two Florida schools considered, they had the initial highest ranking. Then when the vetting was done for all potential cnadidates, USF was ranked higher. I can't spoeak for UCF's position at the time, but bewteen the two, if only was to be chosen, because USF was in a conference with 4 other members that had already been chosen to join, and you had four presidents vouching for USF, and no one in the conference who was really familiar with UCF, it is pretty easy to see why they were chosen. Not to mention USF had just transitioned from 1AA was showing promise playing in a tougher conference.

Now from there, if you want to take issue with USF working to keep UCF out, well don't blame that on the other members. A unilateral vote was not required, but no team who had substantial resistance from a current member was going to be proactively added unless everyone else was completely adamant on their addition. There was no such team who existed while the Big East 2.0 was in operation, until TCU made their second BCS run. So UCF and Temple were never going to be added in a Big East voluntary expansion

USF deserved to get picked over UCF at the time. We played in an awful football stadium in an awful part of town. We played basketball in a gym. We called it an "arena", but it was gym. Our football was in the MAC while all of our other sports were in the Atlantic Sun. USF had a much better off-campus football stadium and an actual arena for basketball. They had also been playing basketball and other sports in a CUSA which was a very good basketball league.

What's the point of this thread? It seems like a poor attempt at a circlejerk.

Yes, my mistake. I got my low level northeastern 1-AA schools mixed up.

It was the dormant super powerhouse Villanova that the "esteemed" president from South Florida was so forcefully lobbying for, in Big East meetings, as a way to "expand" without having to give UCF an invite.

(08-25-2014 09:46 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Yes, my mistake. I got my low level northeastern 1-AA schools mixed up.

It was the dormant super powerhouse Villanova that the "esteemed" president from South Florida was so forcefully lobbying for, in Big East meetings, as a way to "expand" without having to give UCF an invite.

So we went on for three pages before you corrected yourself? Nice!

(08-25-2014 09:46 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Yes, my mistake. I got my low level northeastern 1-AA schools mixed up.

It was the dormant super powerhouse Villanova that the "esteemed" president from South Florida was so forcefully lobbying for, in Big East meetings, as a way to "expand" without having to give UCF an invite.

And you honestly think a new call up had that much power. I've said it before and I'll say it again. "You've got issues!"

(08-25-2014 08:26 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 10:17 PM)Knightbengal Wrote:  I meant When Miami left and joined the acc as did Fsu. You and I both know fsu was never a member. Tranghese and meatball wanted to add us then. I believe meatball came up with the original plan.

Just to clarify this, and the meaing notes confirmed it, it was less that UCF was who was originally wanted, and more that of the two Florida schools considered, they had the initial highest ranking. Then when the vetting was done for all potential cnadidates, USF was ranked higher. I can't spoeak for UCF's position at the time, but bewteen the two, if only was to be chosen, because USF was in a conference with 4 other members that had already been chosen to join, and you had four presidents vouching for USF, and no one in the conference who was really familiar with UCF, it is pretty easy to see why they were chosen. Not to mention USF had just transitioned from 1AA was showing promise playing in a tougher conference.

Now from there, if you want to take issue with USF working to keep UCF out, well don't blame that on the other members. A unilateral vote was not required, but no team who had substantial resistance from a current member was going to be proactively added unless everyone else was completely adamant on their addition. There was no such team who existed while the Big East 2.0 was in operation, until TCU made their second BCS run. So UCF and Temple were never going to be added in a Big East voluntary expansion

I don't disagree. My point was we were a candidate at the same time and that we were good enough for consideration then not to mention that most of us were cusa call ups. Tranghese even mentioned this when the conf fell apart. From what I remember the primary driver for not being included was our lack of bball arena and usf had the sun dome.


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