(08-24-2014 02:57 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:41 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:05 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Yeah...I always find it funny to reread some of my posts and find missing words. But, I think, in the end, everyone gets the gist of your argument

As to your generalization, I disagree. I think for people that are sensitive about race, this might happen. But, most people do not have this inherent hangup based on the race of a person. Most people base their assumptions on there person's overall body of work. Black man in a business suit is going to be seen in a better light than a white thug looking like a skinhead.

As to your crim justice prof, it is almost never an issue of competence, but an issue of time. Nevertheless, for a small portion of criminal defendants, counsel with a smaller caseloads would make a difference...but, just a marginal one. Most of these defendants are guilty of a crime -- everyone kinda knows that. The question for many Defendants is (1) whether they get the plea deal they are hoping for (or something close) and/or (2) can they affect the witnesses before trial. If the witnesses are showing up and they get a good deal, they take it.

Most of my interactions with white people have been positive. However, it's like the scene in "The Matrix" where Morpheus explains to Neo about the nature of agents in the Matrix: they are everyone and they are no one.

Fact is, you generally don't know who is racist and who hides it because they know they will lose their livelihood if they say how they feel. Even as rational and fair as I think I am, I was ready to accuse someone of racism just a couple days ago at a restaurant before the manager explained to me why a certain policy was the way it was and it made perfect sense. Because of the past and because racist whites have to hide their attitudes, you really don't know when racism is occurring, which leads to much misunderstanding.

I think you need to understand that we are all racists. Racism simply means identifying with a race. You are a racist and I am racist.

The word has been hijacked to mean something other than what we know it is. I understand his meaning in the context of his comments.

(08-24-2014 03:36 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:57 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:41 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:05 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Yeah...I always find it funny to reread some of my posts and find missing words. But, I think, in the end, everyone gets the gist of your argument

As to your generalization, I disagree. I think for people that are sensitive about race, this might happen. But, most people do not have this inherent hangup based on the race of a person. Most people base their assumptions on there person's overall body of work. Black man in a business suit is going to be seen in a better light than a white thug looking like a skinhead.

As to your crim justice prof, it is almost never an issue of competence, but an issue of time. Nevertheless, for a small portion of criminal defendants, counsel with a smaller caseloads would make a difference...but, just a marginal one. Most of these defendants are guilty of a crime -- everyone kinda knows that. The question for many Defendants is (1) whether they get the plea deal they are hoping for (or something close) and/or (2) can they affect the witnesses before trial. If the witnesses are showing up and they get a good deal, they take it.

Most of my interactions with white people have been positive. However, it's like the scene in "The Matrix" where Morpheus explains to Neo about the nature of agents in the Matrix: they are everyone and they are no one.

Fact is, you generally don't know who is racist and who hides it because they know they will lose their livelihood if they say how they feel. Even as rational and fair as I think I am, I was ready to accuse someone of racism just a couple days ago at a restaurant before the manager explained to me why a certain policy was the way it was and it made perfect sense. Because of the past and because racist whites have to hide their attitudes, you really don't know when racism is occurring, which leads to much misunderstanding.

I think you need to understand that we are all racists. Racism simply means identifying with a race. You are a racist and I am racist.

The word has been hijacked to mean something other than what we know it is. I understand his meaning in the context of his comments.

I know you do and so do I. I just want him to know. When words get hijacked they become less powerful. Had he used the word "bigot" it would hold more validity.

(08-24-2014 02:41 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:05 PM)pharaoh0 Wrote:  Yeah...I always find it funny to reread some of my posts and find missing words. But, I think, in the end, everyone gets the gist of your argument

As to your generalization, I disagree. I think for people that are sensitive about race, this might happen. But, most people do not have this inherent hangup based on the race of a person. Most people base their assumptions on there person's overall body of work. Black man in a business suit is going to be seen in a better light than a white thug looking like a skinhead.

As to your crim justice prof, it is almost never an issue of competence, but an issue of time. Nevertheless, for a small portion of criminal defendants, counsel with a smaller caseloads would make a difference...but, just a marginal one. Most of these defendants are guilty of a crime -- everyone kinda knows that. The question for many Defendants is (1) whether they get the plea deal they are hoping for (or something close) and/or (2) can they affect the witnesses before trial. If the witnesses are showing up and they get a good deal, they take it.

Most of my interactions with white people have been positive. However, it's like the scene in "The Matrix" where Morpheus explains to Neo about the nature of agents in the Matrix: they are everyone and they are no one.

Fact is, you generally don't know who is racist and who hides it because they know they will lose their livelihood if they say how they feel. Even as rational and fair as I think I am, I was ready to accuse someone of racism just a couple days ago at a restaurant before the manager explained to me why a certain policy was the way it was and it made perfect sense. Because of the past and because racist whites have to hide their attitudes, you really don't know when racism is occurring, which leads to much misunderstanding.

I understand that sentiment. Kinda like the way I see cops. I know the vast majority of them are decent folks. I know however there are bad cops among us. When I make contact with them now...I have to fight the urge to think that this guy is bad.

(08-24-2014 02:57 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think you need to understand that we are all racists. Racism simply means identifying with a race. You are a racist and I am racist.

Wow. I've never seen nor heard of that definition of racist. I've always understood it to be someone who believes one race is superior to another or, hatred or intolerance of another race.

60-70 years ago, there were many who may have felt one race was superior to another but today that number is infinitesimally small.

Then again, since we're all one race, humanity, I guess I am racist because I think humans are superior to chimpanzees.

I'm wondering how many felonies you can cram into your last 5 minutes of life. he had a robbery and two assaults - one of them on a cop.

not a bad track record as you cash out of the game.

(08-24-2014 02:57 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think you need to understand that we are all racists. Racism simply means identifying with a race. You are a racist and I am racist.

I think it's fair to say I'm not racist, I find it deplorable coming from anyone and I was pretty livid at the reaction of black people in general after the George Zimmerman verdict.

That said, I am black so rather than guessing what it's like, I know how it is to be black and how blacks generally think as well as how they can come to some of the conclusions they do but also avoid overreacting at every time a perceived incident occurs.

And you're wrong on the definition, here's what it says on the page after a quick Google search.

Quote:[sic] the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

[sic] prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Racism is believing that one race is better than another based on inherent traits. Your definition is closer to the British definition of nationalism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism

Quote:[sic] a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics that binds a population and often produces a policy of national independence or separatism

The word nation originally referred to a particular tribe more than anything else, so that's where it originally came from.

(08-24-2014 07:09 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:57 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I think you need to understand that we are all racists. Racism simply means identifying with a race. You are a racist and I am racist.

I think it's fair to say I'm not racist, I find it deplorable coming from anyone and I was pretty livid at the reaction of black people in general after the George Zimmerman verdict.

That said, I am black so rather than guessing what it's like, I know how it is to be black and how blacks generally think as well as how they can come to some of the conclusions they do but also avoid overreacting at every time a perceived incident occurs.

And you're wrong on the definition, here's what it says on the page after a quick Google search.

Quote:[sic] the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

[sic] prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Racism is believing that one race is better than another based on inherent traits. Your definition is closer to the British definition of nationalism.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/nationalism

Quote:[sic] a sentiment based on common cultural characteristics that binds a population and often produces a policy of national independence or separatism

The word nation originally referred to a particular tribe more than anything else, so that's where it originally came from.

Huh? You couldn't be more wrong. This has nothing to do with nationalism.

The term racism simply means identifying with a set characteristics identifying with one race. The term has been bastardize over the years to mean something else.

If you know you are black, you are practicing racism. Prejudice and bigotry are the terms that mean what you are implying.

(08-24-2014 02:31 PM)wahoowa Wrote:  

I glommed this onto my Facebook page where I'm sure it will upset my liberal friends

(08-24-2014 07:35 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Huh? You couldn't be more wrong. This has nothing to do with nationalism.

The term racism simply means identifying with a set characteristics identifying with one race. The term has been bastardize over the years to mean something else.

If you know you are black, you are practicing racism. Prejudice and bigotry are the terms that mean what you are implying.

No, being black is simply a state of being. Racism could be me thinking blacks are better than others, either at something in particular or overall. And again, the word "nation" is a term that has changed over time. It now generally refers to a large scale political body that governs over certain territory but it emerged from the definition above, as evidenced by the fact that the terms "Nation of Islam" and "Nation of Israel" do not refer to actual republics but groups of people with a common belief system and cultural lineage.

You're right that it has nothing to do with nationalism as we use the term but I was merely stating, for lack of a better term, a better suited term for how you are trying to define racism.

(08-24-2014 08:38 PM)smn1256 Wrote:  

(08-24-2014 02:31 PM)wahoowa Wrote:  

I glommed this onto my Facebook page where I'm sure it will upset my liberal friends

Pant's up...Don't loot.