http://online.wsj.com/articles/how-colle...1408489524

Stoops & Shaw are impressive. Edsall and Bielema not so much.

I dont know why they are picking on Beliema. Most of the coaches on that list had losing records against the top 25.

.500 vs the top 25 looks pretty good, considering that there are several coaches generally considered to be really good who are below .500.

OTOH if you coach a powerhouse program and you are way under .500 against the top 25, one might question why you are still coaching a powerhouse program. Yes, I'm talking about you, Will Muschamp. (4-11 vs. top 25 teams.)

(08-22-2014 10:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  .500 vs the top 25 looks pretty good, considering that there are several coaches generally considered to be really good who are below .500.

OTOH if you coach a powerhouse program and you are way under .500 against the top 25, one might question why you are still coaching a powerhouse program. Yes, I'm talking about you, Will Muschamp. (4-11 vs. top 25 teams.)

I respect what you are saying Wedge, but I think each situation is different. Meyer has only played seven teams in his time at Ohio State, but 15 games against top 25 teams in the SEC -- as in the Muschamp example -- is just a couple of seasons. A poor two year record while a team is rebuilding in a difficult conference is different in my mind than a poor record over more years whether the number of games played is high or not.

This is why if they do go to a play P5 only system, by today's standard there are going to be a lot of unemployed coaches.

(08-23-2014 06:50 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  .500 vs the top 25 looks pretty good, considering that there are several coaches generally considered to be really good who are below .500.

OTOH if you coach a powerhouse program and you are way under .500 against the top 25, one might question why you are still coaching a powerhouse program. Yes, I'm talking about you, Will Muschamp. (4-11 vs. top 25 teams.)

I respect what you are saying Wedge, but I think each situation is different. Meyer has only played seven teams in his time at Ohio State, but 15 games against top 25 teams in the SEC -- as in the Muschamp example -- is just a couple of seasons. A poor two year record while a team is rebuilding in a difficult conference is different in my mind than a poor record over more years whether the number of games played is high or not.

He's not coaching at Miss. State, he's coaching at Florida. And he's already had three years there; this will be his fourth season at Florida.

(08-23-2014 10:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-23-2014 06:50 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  .500 vs the top 25 looks pretty good, considering that there are several coaches generally considered to be really good who are below .500.

OTOH if you coach a powerhouse program and you are way under .500 against the top 25, one might question why you are still coaching a powerhouse program. Yes, I'm talking about you, Will Muschamp. (4-11 vs. top 25 teams.)

I respect what you are saying Wedge, but I think each situation is different. Meyer has only played seven teams in his time at Ohio State, but 15 games against top 25 teams in the SEC -- as in the Muschamp example -- is just a couple of seasons. A poor two year record while a team is rebuilding in a difficult conference is different in my mind than a poor record over more years whether the number of games played is high or not.

He's not coaching at Miss. State, he's coaching at Florida. And he's already had three years there; this will be his fourth season at Florida.

PSU paid 5 million for Franklin who is 1-8.???

(08-23-2014 11:47 AM)Rich52c Wrote:  

(08-23-2014 10:59 AM)Wedge Wrote:  

(08-23-2014 06:50 AM)Zombiewoof Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:30 PM)Wedge Wrote:  .500 vs the top 25 looks pretty good, considering that there are several coaches generally considered to be really good who are below .500.

OTOH if you coach a powerhouse program and you are way under .500 against the top 25, one might question why you are still coaching a powerhouse program. Yes, I'm talking about you, Will Muschamp. (4-11 vs. top 25 teams.)

I respect what you are saying Wedge, but I think each situation is different. Meyer has only played seven teams in his time at Ohio State, but 15 games against top 25 teams in the SEC -- as in the Muschamp example -- is just a couple of seasons. A poor two year record while a team is rebuilding in a difficult conference is different in my mind than a poor record over more years whether the number of games played is high or not.

He's not coaching at Miss. State, he's coaching at Florida. And he's already had three years there; this will be his fourth season at Florida.

PSU paid 5 million for Franklin who is 1-8.???

Yeah, but that is Vanderbilt. Before Franklin they would be happy by simply scoring against many of the SEC teams. Franklin made them competitive.

Muschamp came in to a team that was full of studs and he underachieved. Franklin had to build his teams and even then they did better than Florida.