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EMU hoops press release
Dennis and 79 can finally breathe easy:

http://emueagles.com/news/2014/8/21/MBB_0821143329.aspx
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(08-21-2014 11:44 AM)EagleSam Wrote:  Dennis and 79 can finally breathe easy:

http://emueagles.com/news/2014/8/21/MBB_0821143329.aspx

:) and S&P set an all-time high this morning. Good day on all counts.

I wonder if the release was timed to be at the end of a summer session?

KPJ: Did a summer session just end?

Like everyone graduated from high school or JUCO or their 4-year institution and got cleared by the NCAA and also got on campus and completed some EMU academic work and NCAA-approved workouts...

Ready for fall semester. I'm ready for August 30 and November 14.
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I'm surprised that Hunter only had one year left but as it stands we will have at least 4 scholarships for the 2015 class.

It appears they've been clearinghouse approved which is great.
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We are gonna be a pretty big team again. Ajayi and Samuels have some big shoes to fill defensively with the departure or Riley, but I really like our front court depth. That shouldn't be an issue.

Backcourt depth, as has been discussed quite a bit on here, will be an issue. We will have little choice but to play Bond and Alvano immediately, which may not be a bad thing, but there may be some struggles early on. Personally, I'd play Talley 32 minutes a game if his legs can hold up. Same with Lee, although I could see Price playing guard as well.

I'm curious to see how Murphy uses rotations. Lots potentially different combos to throw out there.
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(08-21-2014 12:32 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  We are gonna be a pretty big team again. Ajayi and Samuels have some big shoes to fill defensively with the departure or Riley, but I really like our front court depth. That shouldn't be an issue.

Backcourt depth, as has been discussed quite a bit on here, will be an issue. We will have little choice but to play Bond and Alvano immediately, which may not be a bad thing, but there may be some struggles early on. Personally, I'd play Talley 32 minutes a game if his legs can hold up. Same with Lee, although I could see Price playing guard as well.

I'm curious to see how Murphy uses rotations. Lots potentially different combos to throw out there.

Except the ? is Lee's status, is he suspended and if so for how long?

Somehow I thought a 20 plus win team's recruiting would look different than this but it is what is.
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(08-21-2014 12:36 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:32 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  We are gonna be a pretty big team again. Ajayi and Samuels have some big shoes to fill defensively with the departure or Riley, but I really like our front court depth. That shouldn't be an issue.

Backcourt depth, as has been discussed quite a bit on here, will be an issue. We will have little choice but to play Bond and Alvano immediately, which may not be a bad thing, but there may be some struggles early on. Personally, I'd play Talley 32 minutes a game if his legs can hold up. Same with Lee, although I could see Price playing guard as well.

I'm curious to see how Murphy uses rotations. Lots potentially different combos to throw out there.

Except the ? is Lee's status, is he suspended and if so for how long?

Somehow I thought a 20 plus win team's recruiting would look different than this but it is what is.

Let's not be naive, Murphy doesn't have time to develop high school talent. He keeps getting all these one and two year guys hoping for another 20+ season with this crappy schedule and in my opinion a ticket out of Ypsi.
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Again, one decent season won't change much. Putting together strings of decent seasons will make people start to notice. If those decent seasons turn into good seasons with an NIT or (gasp) an NCAA bid, then you'll see differences.
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(08-21-2014 12:57 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:36 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:32 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  We are gonna be a pretty big team again. Ajayi and Samuels have some big shoes to fill defensively with the departure or Riley, but I really like our front court depth. That shouldn't be an issue.

Backcourt depth, as has been discussed quite a bit on here, will be an issue. We will have little choice but to play Bond and Alvano immediately, which may not be a bad thing, but there may be some struggles early on. Personally, I'd play Talley 32 minutes a game if his legs can hold up. Same with Lee, although I could see Price playing guard as well.

I'm curious to see how Murphy uses rotations. Lots potentially different combos to throw out there.

Except the ? is Lee's status, is he suspended and if so for how long?

Somehow I thought a 20 plus win team's recruiting would look different than this but it is what is.

Let's not be naive, Murphy doesn't have time to develop high school talent. He keeps getting all these one and two year guys hoping for another 20+ season with this crappy schedule and in my opinion a ticket out of Ypsi.

Ticket to where? No BCS school will take him unless he makes the NCAA tourney. So if that happens, then I understand (not to mention how thrilled I'd be if we got back to the dance). We are a stepping stone conference...it is what it is.

Somehow, I think some people would still hate Murphy even if he got us to the NCAA tourney. Oh well. Can't please everyone.
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(08-21-2014 01:12 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:57 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:36 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:32 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  We are gonna be a pretty big team again. Ajayi and Samuels have some big shoes to fill defensively with the departure or Riley, but I really like our front court depth. That shouldn't be an issue.

Backcourt depth, as has been discussed quite a bit on here, will be an issue. We will have little choice but to play Bond and Alvano immediately, which may not be a bad thing, but there may be some struggles early on. Personally, I'd play Talley 32 minutes a game if his legs can hold up. Same with Lee, although I could see Price playing guard as well.

I'm curious to see how Murphy uses rotations. Lots potentially different combos to throw out there.

Except the ? is Lee's status, is he suspended and if so for how long?

Somehow I thought a 20 plus win team's recruiting would look different than this but it is what is.

Let's not be naive, Murphy doesn't have time to develop high school talent. He keeps getting all these one and two year guys hoping for another 20+ season with this crappy schedule and in my opinion a ticket out of Ypsi.

Ticket to where? No BCS school will take him unless he makes the NCAA tourney. So if that happens, then I understand (not to mention how thrilled I'd be if we got back to the dance). We are a stepping stone conference...it is what it is.

Somehow, I think some people would still hate Murphy even if he got us to the NCAA tourney. Oh well. Can't please everyone.

If he gets a 20+ season this year I think he will have offers on the table. Maybe Dukes and UNCs won't be knocking on the doors but he will be able to advance to a better instiution than EMU.
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EagleSam,

I don't hate Murphy, I actually do not mind him. Do I think he loves it here and is very enthusiastic about the job like CC - No, but not everyone can be like that.

That was just my conclusion for getting all these transfers. I mean most of his guys show up, play a year or two and are gone... can you give me any other explanation other than he is just trying to put together a team of guys who seem to be above MAC level (Bryant, Riley, Harrison for exmple), win a good amount of games on hope that an offer from a better school shows up on a table.
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I wish we had a men's basketball coach more similar to CC. Murphy leaves an impression is all about Murphy and not the school. His marketing of the program is non existent although recently the team appeared in a Ypsilanti parade. I don't think anyone forgets that he was off to Orlando after his first season until someone mentioned the contract buyout money he would have to pay. I don't think that made a favorable impression. Then you have the James Still situation, then Glenn Bryant and maybe or maybe not something happening with Raven Lee. Again we're talking about outsiders impressions of the program. There is zero buzz about the EMU men's basketball team under Murphy, Creighton hasn't even coached ONE game and has put more buzz in several months than Murphy has going into year 4 despite a solid win season last year. I don't hate Murphy but there's something missing and I don't feel good about the program or not as good as I would like to even after a 20 win plus season.
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(08-21-2014 01:21 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 01:12 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:57 PM)realistEagle Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:36 PM)emu79 Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:32 PM)EagleSam Wrote:  We are gonna be a pretty big team again. Ajayi and Samuels have some big shoes to fill defensively with the departure or Riley, but I really like our front court depth. That shouldn't be an issue.

Backcourt depth, as has been discussed quite a bit on here, will be an issue. We will have little choice but to play Bond and Alvano immediately, which may not be a bad thing, but there may be some struggles early on. Personally, I'd play Talley 32 minutes a game if his legs can hold up. Same with Lee, although I could see Price playing guard as well.

I'm curious to see how Murphy uses rotations. Lots potentially different combos to throw out there.

Except the ? is Lee's status, is he suspended and if so for how long?

Somehow I thought a 20 plus win team's recruiting would look different than this but it is what is.

Let's not be naive, Murphy doesn't have time to develop high school talent. He keeps getting all these one and two year guys hoping for another 20+ season with this crappy schedule and in my opinion a ticket out of Ypsi.

Ticket to where? No BCS school will take him unless he makes the NCAA tourney. So if that happens, then I understand (not to mention how thrilled I'd be if we got back to the dance). We are a stepping stone conference...it is what it is.

Somehow, I think some people would still hate Murphy even if he got us to the NCAA tourney. Oh well. Can't please everyone.

If he gets a 20+ season this year I think he will have offers on the table. Maybe Dukes and UNCs won't be knocking on the doors but he will be able to advance to a better instiution than EMU.

If he gets a better job offer from a school that will pay him more, I don't blame him for leaving. Coaching a postseason game in front of 372 people has to be a nightmare.

And you're correct, the recruitment of transfers and JUCOs is a quick fix type deal, but has also made us more competitive quickly. Do I wish he recruited more 4 year guys? Yes. Do I think it's probably difficult for him to recruit high school kids to a school with a recent history of losing and an attendance problem? Yes. Even one 20+ win season won't change that (much to 79's chagrin). Hell, two or three seasons like that may not be enough. He wants to coach at the highest level possible. Everyone does.

That goes for Creighton as well. He says all the right things to fire people up, but if he gets us to a bowl, he's totally gone. That's life in the MAC.
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(08-21-2014 01:37 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I wish we had a men's basketball coach more similar to CC. Murphy leaves an impression is all about Murphy and not the school. His marketing of the program is non existent although recently the team appeared in a Ypsilanti parade. I don't think anyone forgets that he was off to Orlando after his first season until someone mentioned the contract buyout money he would have to pay. I don't think that made a favorable impression. Then you have the James Still situation, then Glenn Bryant and maybe or maybe not something happening with Raven Lee. Again we're talking about outsiders impressions of the program. There is zero buzz about the EMU men's basketball team under Murphy, Creighton hasn't even coached ONE game and has put more buzz in several months than Murphy has going into year 4 despite a solid win season last year. I don't hate Murphy but there's something missing and I don't feel good about the program or not as good as I would like to even after a 20 win plus season.

Comparing football to basketball is ridiculous. Football will always win the popularity and marketing contest, unless you are Duke or UCLA.
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We aren't comparing football with basketball Sam, we're comparing the ADMINISTRATION and MARKETING of a DIV 1 sport program by the respective head coaches and the perception of the programs are they moving forward or backwards or treading water?

Yes having 327 students at a playoff game is horrible, but you have to ask yourself would attendance be better if they're were more local recruits on the team? I mean you can have a team march in a local Ypsi community parade but you haven't offered make the local high school Div I player an offer when several MAC teams have? Again its a perception issue. I think maybe if Murphy had the same energy he uses to market himself to market the men's hoop program maybe the fans would show more interest.

Murphy is a good coach with the Xs and Os. I'll leave it at that.
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I just got in the mail a large post card thanking me for my support hand addressed and signed by a FB player.

EMU marketing, etc. is ramping up big time. No doubt about it. They are trying to raise more levels of giving as well as attendance.

These are new folks working for a relatively new AD who appears to be very strong on marketing and fund raising.

We are seeing this NOW in football, but as Eagle Sam reminds us this IS football season (and off season for hoops).

Let's see come mid-October and November what basketball marketing will look like.

And yes most (most means 'most' and is not a synonym for 'all'. A small number of folks will follow recruiting say 52 weeks a year but that might be 1 or 2% of college sports fans) folks interest in sports follow the season and schedules for those sports (INCLUDING things like free agency signing periods for say NFL, NFL draft, NBA draft and NBA free agency, etc.)

As Sam and I have been trying to say in college hoops, once the last recruit is signed (usually April) there is literally five months of off season.

For me hoops has been in off season since we got word of our last signee. I don't follow recruiting 52 x 7, don't follow summer AAU ball (unless I know a kid in it), and I certainly don't follow 'open gyms', etc.

College football mostly only has three plus months of off season (mid-April to say July 31). College football has fall drills, three month season, bowl season, recruiting signing period (and then a dead period from mid-Feb to the start of spring ball and then goes dead after the spring game until say Aug 1.).
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(08-22-2014 06:15 AM)emu79 Wrote:  We aren't comparing football with basketball Sam, we're comparing the ADMINISTRATION and MARKETING of a DIV 1 sport program by the respective head coaches and the perception of the programs are they moving forward or backwards or treading water?

Yes having 327 students at a playoff game is horrible, but you have to ask yourself would attendance be better if they're were more local recruits on the team? I mean you can have a team march in a local Ypsi community parade but you haven't offered make the local high school Div I player an offer when several MAC teams have? Again its a perception issue. I think maybe if Murphy had the same energy he uses to market himself to market the men's hoop program maybe the fans would show more interest.

Murphy is a good coach with the Xs and Os. I'll leave it at that.

You are comparing football and basketball when you bring the "buzz the football coach is creating" into this thread. And again, it's the same with administration and marketing. The football team will always be superior in both to basketball.

We have had plenty of Michigan kids every year, even under Ramsey, and attendance was still bad. It has very little, if anything, to do with local recruiting. It has everything to do with our perception as a perennial loser, and that isn't going to change overnight like you expect it to, especially after just a decent season.

Could Murphy do better at hyping the team up? Absolutely. But I much rather have him as a quiet guy that puts a competitive product on the court, like he has, than a hype man who puts a bad team on the court. If the team wins consistently, no one will care where these players are from.
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(08-21-2014 12:15 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I'm surprised that Hunter only had one year left but as it stands we will have at least 4 scholarships for the 2015 class.

It appears they've been clearinghouse approved which is great.

Are you confusing Hunter with Strickland?

Hunter is a graduate-eligible transfer and was in the 2010 high school class.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...ter-107204

The press release isn't clear as to what he did between high school to Alabama A&M.

Strickland's case is crazy as he should (supposedly) get 2 medical redshirts for the same injury.

Strickland should be able to earn a graduate degree from EMU: 18 hours during fall/spring this year and additional needed credits in '15/'16.

Most graduate degrees (masters level) can't be completed in one year (esp. for an athlete who would only take 9 hours per semester).
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(08-22-2014 08:57 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:15 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I'm surprised that Hunter only had one year left but as it stands we will have at least 4 scholarships for the 2015 class.

It appears they've been clearinghouse approved which is great.

Are you confusing Hunter with Strickland?

Hunter is a graduate-eligible transfer and was in the 2010 high school class.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...ter-107204

The press release isn't clear as to what he did between high school to Alabama A&M.

Strickland's case is crazy as he should (supposedly) get 2 medical redshirts for the same injury.

Strickland should be able to earn a graduate degree from EMU: 18 hours during fall/spring this year and additional needed credits in '15/'16.

Most graduate degrees (masters level) can't be completed in one year (esp. for an athlete who would only take 9 hours per semester).

You probably mean Samuels, not Strickland...
Strickland finished last year.
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(08-22-2014 11:15 AM)KPJ Wrote:  
(08-22-2014 08:57 AM)emu steve Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:15 PM)emu79 Wrote:  I'm surprised that Hunter only had one year left but as it stands we will have at least 4 scholarships for the 2015 class.

It appears they've been clearinghouse approved which is great.

Are you confusing Hunter with Strickland?

Hunter is a graduate-eligible transfer and was in the 2010 high school class.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/...ter-107204

The press release isn't clear as to what he did between high school to Alabama A&M.

Strickland's case is crazy as he should (supposedly) get 2 medical redshirts for the same injury.

Strickland should be able to earn a graduate degree from EMU: 18 hours during fall/spring this year and additional needed credits in '15/'16.

Most graduate degrees (masters level) can't be completed in one year (esp. for an athlete who would only take 9 hours per semester).

You probably mean Samuels, not Strickland...
Strickland finished last year.

Yes, you are right. I'm showing my off season rust.

I'm out-of-season for basketball. 03-lmfao

For me this week it has been Tigs, Nats, Little League WS (and MoNe Davis), NFL football, EMU FB talk, etc.

Pretty cluttered sports calendar.
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