(08-22-2014 10:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  doesn't matter, my point still stands. Landmass is a factor but not the total picture. Looking at the religious, cultural, population, and resource value of land is what matters most. Israel to the arabic world is like NYC to the US. Only idiots downplay that in the manner that the OP is trying to do.

Given the OP's signature..."**DISCLAIMER**Posts may be laced, nay loaded, with sarcasm. Please think carefully about that before reacting angrily or snarky." I find your responses to his single post quite fun.

(08-22-2014 10:34 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  doesn't matter, my point still stands. Landmass is a factor but not the total picture. Looking at the religious, cultural, population, and resource value of land is what matters most. Israel to the arabic world is like NYC to the US. Only idiots downplay that in the manner that the OP is trying to do.

Given the OP's signature..."**DISCLAIMER**Posts may be laced, nay loaded, with sarcasm. Please think carefully about that before reacting angrily or snarky." I find your responses to his single post quite fun.

you can pull the sig card all you want, but the fact is a considerable amount of conservatives do use the exact same argument the OP used.

(08-22-2014 10:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:34 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  doesn't matter, my point still stands. Landmass is a factor but not the total picture. Looking at the religious, cultural, population, and resource value of land is what matters most. Israel to the arabic world is like NYC to the US. Only idiots downplay that in the manner that the OP is trying to do.

Given the OP's signature..."**DISCLAIMER**Posts may be laced, nay loaded, with sarcasm. Please think carefully about that before reacting angrily or snarky." I find your responses to his single post quite fun.

you can pull the sig card all you want, but the fact is a considerable amount of conservatives do use the exact same argument the OP used.

Granted, I've not had this type of discussion with "a considerable amount(?) of conservatives" but of the ones I've discussed the Israel issue with, they've all argued the historical and cultural ties of Jews to the land and I've never heard a conservative try to argue that "well, the muslims have enough land already, what's the big deal with giving a sliver to the Jews?"

(08-22-2014 10:56 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:34 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  doesn't matter, my point still stands. Landmass is a factor but not the total picture. Looking at the religious, cultural, population, and resource value of land is what matters most. Israel to the arabic world is like NYC to the US. Only idiots downplay that in the manner that the OP is trying to do.

Given the OP's signature..."**DISCLAIMER**Posts may be laced, nay loaded, with sarcasm. Please think carefully about that before reacting angrily or snarky." I find your responses to his single post quite fun.

you can pull the sig card all you want, but the fact is a considerable amount of conservatives do use the exact same argument the OP used.

Granted, I've not had this type of discussion with "a considerable amount(?) of conservatives" but of the ones I've discussed the Israel issue with, they've all argued the historical and cultural ties of Jews to the land and I've never heard a conservative try to argue that "well, the muslims have enough land already, what's the big deal with giving a sliver to the Jews?"

well wiggle your head around this....

Your claim is that you have never seen this argued before, then what the he.ll is your interpretation of the picture in the OP? Clearly someone took the time to make an image addressing this very point, in which the OP posted it to csnbbs, and you don't think it's a topic that comes up often?

(08-22-2014 10:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  doesn't matter, my point still stands. Landmass is a factor but not the total picture. Looking at the religious, cultural, population, and resource value of land is what matters most. Israel to the arabic world is like NYC to the US. Only idiots downplay that in the manner that the OP is trying to do.

I agree to an extent with regards to the landmass comparison. It's interesting trivia, but not very significant. At the same time, I can't see people in the midwest sending in suicide bombers and proclaiming they love death more than colonists in New York love life.

You allude to the dogmatic and cultural influence on what has become the culture of death, and I'd agree that is probably the most significant factor in the conflict. Land matters more than human life... in particular, the idea of losing land that was dar al Islam is worth more than human life to the Palestinians and their supporters.

(08-22-2014 11:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:56 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:34 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:24 PM)john01992 Wrote:  doesn't matter, my point still stands. Landmass is a factor but not the total picture. Looking at the religious, cultural, population, and resource value of land is what matters most. Israel to the arabic world is like NYC to the US. Only idiots downplay that in the manner that the OP is trying to do.

Given the OP's signature..."**DISCLAIMER**Posts may be laced, nay loaded, with sarcasm. Please think carefully about that before reacting angrily or snarky." I find your responses to his single post quite fun.

you can pull the sig card all you want, but the fact is a considerable amount of conservatives do use the exact same argument the OP used.

Granted, I've not had this type of discussion with "a considerable amount(?) of conservatives" but of the ones I've discussed the Israel issue with, they've all argued the historical and cultural ties of Jews to the land and I've never heard a conservative try to argue that "well, the muslims have enough land already, what's the big deal with giving a sliver to the Jews?"

well wiggle your head around this....

Your claim is that you have never seen this argued before, then what the he.ll is your interpretation of the picture in the OP? Clearly someone took the time to make an image addressing this very point, in which the OP posted it to csnbbs, and you don't think it's a topic that comes up often?

I stated that I'd personally never heard that argument. I didn't state that it didn't exist, obviously evidenced by the OP's posting and the creator of the image. You imply it's a widespread argument. I merely pointed out that my experience had been that that wasn't the prevailing argument.

(08-22-2014 11:13 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 11:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:56 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:34 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Given the OP's signature..."**DISCLAIMER**Posts may be laced, nay loaded, with sarcasm. Please think carefully about that before reacting angrily or snarky." I find your responses to his single post quite fun.

you can pull the sig card all you want, but the fact is a considerable amount of conservatives do use the exact same argument the OP used.

Granted, I've not had this type of discussion with "a considerable amount(?) of conservatives" but of the ones I've discussed the Israel issue with, they've all argued the historical and cultural ties of Jews to the land and I've never heard a conservative try to argue that "well, the muslims have enough land already, what's the big deal with giving a sliver to the Jews?"

well wiggle your head around this....

Your claim is that you have never seen this argued before, then what the he.ll is your interpretation of the picture in the OP? Clearly someone took the time to make an image addressing this very point, in which the OP posted it to csnbbs, and you don't think it's a topic that comes up often?

I stated that I'd personally never heard that argument. I didn't state that it didn't exist, obviously evidenced by the OP's posting and the creator of the image. You imply it's a widespread argument. I merely pointed out that my experience had been that that wasn't the prevailing argument.

Just for future reference, I first came across this argument when prager university used it. So it clearly is a widespread argument.

(08-22-2014 11:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 11:13 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 11:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:56 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:48 PM)john01992 Wrote:  you can pull the sig card all you want, but the fact is a considerable amount of conservatives do use the exact same argument the OP used.

Granted, I've not had this type of discussion with "a considerable amount(?) of conservatives" but of the ones I've discussed the Israel issue with, they've all argued the historical and cultural ties of Jews to the land and I've never heard a conservative try to argue that "well, the muslims have enough land already, what's the big deal with giving a sliver to the Jews?"

well wiggle your head around this....

Your claim is that you have never seen this argued before, then what the he.ll is your interpretation of the picture in the OP? Clearly someone took the time to make an image addressing this very point, in which the OP posted it to csnbbs, and you don't think it's a topic that comes up often?

I stated that I'd personally never heard that argument. I didn't state that it didn't exist, obviously evidenced by the OP's posting and the creator of the image. You imply it's a widespread argument. I merely pointed out that my experience had been that that wasn't the prevailing argument.

Just for future reference, I first came across this argument when prager university used it. So it clearly is a widespread argument.

All apologies to Prager University, but I've never heard of that university. Are they in the P5 or G5?

(08-22-2014 11:21 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 11:15 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 11:13 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 11:01 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 10:56 PM)WKUApollo Wrote:  Granted, I've not had this type of discussion with "a considerable amount(?) of conservatives" but of the ones I've discussed the Israel issue with, they've all argued the historical and cultural ties of Jews to the land and I've never heard a conservative try to argue that "well, the muslims have enough land already, what's the big deal with giving a sliver to the Jews?"

well wiggle your head around this....

Your claim is that you have never seen this argued before, then what the he.ll is your interpretation of the picture in the OP? Clearly someone took the time to make an image addressing this very point, in which the OP posted it to csnbbs, and you don't think it's a topic that comes up often?

I stated that I'd personally never heard that argument. I didn't state that it didn't exist, obviously evidenced by the OP's posting and the creator of the image. You imply it's a widespread argument. I merely pointed out that my experience had been that that wasn't the prevailing argument.

Just for future reference, I first came across this argument when prager university used it. So it clearly is a widespread argument.

All apologies to Prager University, but I've never heard of that university. Are they in the P5 or G5?

they call themselves "university" just to sound smarter LOL. they are literally a website + youtube channel and nothing more, but they do have a serious following.

(08-22-2014 08:55 PM)Crebman Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 08:20 PM)john01992 Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 08:06 PM)MileHighBronco Wrote:  

(08-22-2014 05:53 PM)john01992 Wrote:  my reading comp is just fine, my only mistake is debating a bunch of idiots all the time...

I think you vastly overestimate yourself. If you look around and all you see are idiots, that ought to be a clue......

if someone takes what I said in this thread and walks away thinking I have a reading comp problem rather than agreeing that Israel landmass is a stupid argument ==> then thats on them for being idiots not me.

What is your take on NO Muslim countries wanting the Palestinians (you know-religious brethren) in their countries? Do you think the Israelis have an ancestral claim to the land as well?

This is curious.

In today's world the 'Ancestral Claim' that is of any relevance is May 14, 1948. That's the day the UN voted to recognize a modern State of Israel. Since that time they have defended themselves in several major conflicts resulting in those enemies being vanquished and the State of Israel gaining more land. It is one THEIR land. In these conflicts, ask yourseves which side the Palestinians took? And by taking that side what did the Palestinians gain or forfeit?