(08-20-2014 09:28 AM)JMad03 Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:05 AM)Potomac Wrote:  Yeah, they clearly bought this USA today article. Don't tell me someone chose to cover this without some bribe along the way.

That was my first thought as well. Of all the schools to say are ready to move, they focus on a school that was already ready but got the stiff arm from the only conference that was willing to consider them. Their money is a huge plus for them, but their agenda is a huge minus, not to mention they haven't done anything at the FCS level.
If they were such a great school to get, why are they stuck in the Big South? They can't even upgrade in the FCS.

Would saying we "upgraded in the FCS" a rationalization to get through the night like saying "we have the best facilities in FCS?"

(08-20-2014 09:50 AM)jmad1son Wrote:  Yeah let's keep telling ourselves that Liberty is not ready or a conference will never take them. And then poof, Liberty becomes FBS and we remain FCS. Then the JMU administration will be scurrying again to respond to the uproar.

+ 1, It's clear that those that are the first to defend the JMU administration are also the first to attack the administration at other schools for making a move or trying to make a move.

Many of them work at JMU. They are probably busy writing USA Today asking that the paper be closed.

Request for Mod; out the posters that PMd asking for the closure of the conference thread. I bet half the board could accurately name several of them...

I chuckle every weekend I drive by Liberty's tiny little staduim. big brick structure but no seating in site. They may want FBS but they are far from ready.

Curious question ... has Carr ever done a feasibility study that concluded that the school was far from ready or do they just tell everyone what they want to hear?

(08-20-2014 11:39 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  I chuckle every weekend I drive by Liberty's tiny little staduim. big brick structure but no seating in site. They may want FBS but they are far from ready.

Liberty's tiny little stadium???



With capacity just under 20,000 and plans to expand to over 30,000, I think there are a few FBS schools that wouldn't mind having Liberty's "tiny little stadium."

"Tiny little stadium" should be reserved for New Hampshire...

...and Rhode Island

...and Elon

...and Stony Brook

...and Richmond

...and Villanova

...and almost every other CAA school that is apparently our athletic peer.

Alger/King/Bourne need to head to Liberty and take a class from Jerry Falwell Jr on vision. Liberty may have issues shaking off Falwell Sr, but the dude has vision and is willing to take risks/action. Falwell Jr has a sac --- the same cannot be said for Alger/King/Bourne.

(08-20-2014 01:06 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:39 AM)JMUsince89 Wrote:  I chuckle every weekend I drive by Liberty's tiny little staduim. big brick structure but no seating in site. They may want FBS but they are far from ready.

Liberty's tiny little stadium???



With capacity just under 20,000 and plans to expand to over 30,000, I think there are a few FBS schools that wouldn't mind having Liberty's "tiny little stadium."

"Tiny little stadium" should be reserved for New Hampshire...

...and Rhode Island

...and Elon

...and Stony Brook

...and Richmond

...and Villanova

...and almost every other CAA school that is apparently our athletic peer.

Go ahead and make fun of Liberty is it makes you feel better but I have attended a couple of games at their upgraded stadium and it is very nice. A tad smaller than BFS but same amenities.

Let's see some of the school posters on here like to make fun of (guess it makes them feel better) -- I don't get it.

- Liberty -- clearly state their goal to go FBS
- Richmond -- In A10 except for football (no desire to move up)
- Mason --In A10
- ODU -- In CUSA, came from nothing and went FBS
- GaState - from nothing to FBS
- AppState - moved up to FBS

Why do so many posters here hate on the efforts and actions of other schools just b/c we wish the JMU leadership had their vision. This lack of movement is a JMU problem that has an office in Wilson Hall.

At least he could get the Starbucks beverage truck experiment on campus (but the other 2 schools are Penn State and Coastal Carolina). I am surprised Alger did not pull the plug on that b/c that has the potential to associate JMU with Jerry Sandusky or the academics of Coastal Carolina.

(08-20-2014 01:06 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Alger/King/Bourne need to head to Liberty and take a class from Jerry Falwell Jr on vision. Liberty may have issues shaking off Falwell Sr, but the dude has vision and is willing to take risks/action. Falwell Jr has a sac --- the same cannot be said for Alger/King/Bourne.

A new candidate for worst post the board has ever seen! The day JMU administration starts running my school the way Liberty runs theirs is the last day they get a dime from me.

It's not the football argument with Liberty per say, its what they fundamentally promote and how that plays into what lies behind the veil of FBS football. It's an OT really.

(08-20-2014 01:20 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:06 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Alger/King/Bourne need to head to Liberty and take a class from Jerry Falwell Jr on vision. Liberty may have issues shaking off Falwell Sr, but the dude has vision and is willing to take risks/action. Falwell Jr has a sac --- the same cannot be said for Alger/King/Bourne.

A new candidate for worst post the board has ever seen! The day JMU administration starts running my school the way Liberty runs theirs is the last day they get a dime from me.

Whatever --- I think the focus of the post was with regards to FBS movement and athletics. Do you really have an issue with what Fallwell has done with regards to that at Liberty; if you say yes you have your head and the sand and should head to Lynchburg and check them out.

Football Stadium - on par with BFS
Baseball Stadium - best in the state (better than Davenport Field at UVA)
Basketball - better than JMU
All the other facilities are on par or better than JMU.

You may not like the religious side of Liberty but don't let that cloud your mind. Sure they have embraced the online side of education (ala University of Phoenix) but there that is a whole different discussion with pros/cons.

Yet another poster who would prefer to riducule in this instance Liberty for having vision and going for it. Like it or not they announce their goals and Liberty -- have a plan for acheiving them and go for it. I never said I want JMU run like Liberty but yes I would like to have a well communicated vision, plan for getting there communicated, goals for getting there ---- all things Liberty has done.

Yeah, and Pablo Escobar gave back to the community. Get informed on their overall, non-football related agenda then come back with an eval on that vision.

(08-20-2014 01:14 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  ...At least he could get the Starbucks beverage truck experiment on campus (but the other 2 schools are Penn State and Coastal Carolina). I am surprised Alger did not pull the plug on that b/c that has the potential to associate JMU with Jerry Sandusky or the academics of Coastal Carolina.

I think it was Arizona State rather than Penn State. Starbucks

(08-20-2014 01:20 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:06 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Alger/King/Bourne need to head to Liberty and take a class from Jerry Falwell Jr on vision. Liberty may have issues shaking off Falwell Sr, but the dude has vision and is willing to take risks/action. Falwell Jr has a sac --- the same cannot be said for Alger/King/Bourne.

A new candidate for worst post the board has ever seen! The day JMU administration starts running my school the way Liberty runs theirs is the last day they get a dime from me.

This is not about the politics and beliefs of Liberty. Its the fact that the school started just over 40 years ago and today has an athletic program with great facilities, a fan base that equals most MAC/Sun Belt/CUSA schools, and a defined vision for the direction they want to take their program.

I agree with Shady...I wish our athletic program had similar leadership to that of Liberty

(08-20-2014 01:36 PM)boozeANDammo Wrote:  Yeah, and Pablo Escobar gave back to the community. Get informed on their overall, non-football related agenda then come back with an eval on that vision.

Hey I get that not everyone is on board with Liberty with regard to it being a Christian academic community. I get that faith based education is not your thing, but that is a personal choice. I assume you also hate on Eastern Mennonite, Notre Dame, Baylor, BYU, TCU, SMU, and any other faith based insitution of higher learning.

I also assume you hate on LCA (Liberty Christian Academy) b/c it is the private secondary school under the Liberty umbrella although it offers one of the better educations you can get in the state of VA.

It is also not that different from VMI if you really think about it. It takes someone that really wants to go to LU or VMI to get the most out of their time there.....these are not places to go just b/c they offered a scholarship.

(08-20-2014 01:43 PM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:14 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  ...At least he could get the Starbucks beverage truck experiment on campus (but the other 2 schools are Penn State and Coastal Carolina). I am surprised Alger did not pull the plug on that b/c that has the potential to associate JMU with Jerry Sandusky or the academics of Coastal Carolina.

I think it was Arizona State rather than Penn State. Starbucks

My bad --- but that is actually worse --- JMU may then be associated with the Devil (Arizona State Sun Devils)!!!

(08-20-2014 01:43 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:20 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:06 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Alger/King/Bourne need to head to Liberty and take a class from Jerry Falwell Jr on vision. Liberty may have issues shaking off Falwell Sr, but the dude has vision and is willing to take risks/action. Falwell Jr has a sac --- the same cannot be said for Alger/King/Bourne.

A new candidate for worst post the board has ever seen! The day JMU administration starts running my school the way Liberty runs theirs is the last day they get a dime from me.

This is not about the politics and beliefs of Liberty. Its the fact that the school started just over 40 years ago and today has an athletic program with great facilities, a fan base that equals most MAC/Sun Belt/CUSA schools, and a defined vision for the direction they want to take their program.

I agree with Shady...I wish our athletic program had similar leadership to that of Liberty

Exactly, the point being made --- glad to see some posters on this board actually have the skill of reading comprehension.

I agree on some level but I just don't think their goals meet the 'A' part of the whole SMART thing. They're reaching but I'm just not sure that Liberty moves the needle for any conference at all. I think if the Sun Belt could have added App. State, GSU, and JMU they'd look back two years ago and say "Wow, we really improved our conference". Of course we had to be the negative nancies to screw that up thinking we were gonna get a MAC invite counting on UMass to not screw us.

1. Don't underestimate Liberty's ambition, they'll make it happen.

1A. Don't underestimate JMU's complacency, who knows what they'll do.

All I'm saying is that Liberty is missing is on-field greatness. Yes, they have won several shares of Big South titles, yet, they have never went to the playoffs. If I'm not mistaken, they have only beat two ranked opponents in school history (both in-conference and at home). Their on field success holds them back. Anyone who thinks religion and politics holds them back, they are crazy. BYU has a far more checkered past with racism within the Mormon religion, yet the MWC took them and begged them to stay when they left to be an Independent. Why, because of the schools performance on the field and their national title in the 1980s.


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(08-20-2014 01:43 PM)DolleyMadison Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:20 PM)jmuwyhamhgawd Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 01:06 PM)ShadyP Wrote:  Alger/King/Bourne need to head to Liberty and take a class from Jerry Falwell Jr on vision. Liberty may have issues shaking off Falwell Sr, but the dude has vision and is willing to take risks/action. Falwell Jr has a sac --- the same cannot be said for Alger/King/Bourne.

A new candidate for worst post the board has ever seen! The day JMU administration starts running my school the way Liberty runs theirs is the last day they get a dime from me.

This is not about the politics and beliefs of Liberty. Its the fact that the school started just over 40 years ago and today has an athletic program with great facilities, a fan base that equals most MAC/Sun Belt/CUSA schools, and a defined vision for the direction they want to take their program.

I agree with Shady...I wish our athletic program had similar leadership to that of Liberty

There students show up and stay for the games too.

I went to the last 2 jmu games at liberty and had a great time


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