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Larry Flynt was born just down the road from EKU. Just throwing that out there.

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(08-20-2014 03:52 PM)GoApps70 Wrote:  That wasn't the point at all. It was in attacking the financial credibility of other schools.

There was plenty in that article for both of us to hate. Truth hurts sometimes. Seemed like a pretty frank assessment though.

There are a lot of public universities out there competing for students. If the government backed student loan business dries up so will students. So will some FBS schools. No one knows which ones will struggle. I personally don't think it will be APP State.

The Liberty's, Baylors, BYU's, ND's serve a "unique niche" and are no where near their peak. The future looks bright for these institutions.

So I can understand why some public school supporters don't want to contribute to the success of private schools by playing sports with them. Doesn't mean I think it's right. Lately that kind of logic is on display throughout our country?
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I truly believe that the "insider source" was probably Ark State's AD. He has made the comment before about having his doubts on whether Liberty and its 'Christian brand' could compete in FBS... Meanwhile schools like BYU, ND and Baylor have adjusted very well with their religion-based roots.

As far as the article is concerned, it is what it is. The part that caught my attention, was the comments insinuating that people wouldn't know who Liberty is if they moved up to the SBC and the SBC wanting a school that people will recognize. App State and Georgia Southern fit the bill due to not only their success in winning FCS championships, but to recently beating 'name-brand' teams in Michigan and Florida respectfully...

However, if the SBC is looking for a 'name-brand' team that people will recognize, they will not find it in the current remaining pool of FCS level schools due to the SBC's desire to stay within the conference's footprint.

Case in point...
NDSU's name holds some clout, but they are not in your footprint.
YSU does, but have not been a 'name-brand' team since Tressel.
EKU have not been in the championship game since '82.
Some of the core schools of the current or formerly of the CAA schools that have had FCS success in the 2000s (e.g. JMU, Delaware, Towson, Richmond, and even UMass (in 2006 they lost to App State), they either do not want to come or in UMass' case they do not fit in the SBC's footprint.

In conclusion, to me this 'name-brand' talk is just talk. It quite obvious that the SBC is just waiting for another school not named Liberty to get ready and join. And if that's the case, which I believe it is, the SBC heads needs to man up and just say it.
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RE: Liberty article
(08-20-2014 11:36 AM)AtlantaJag Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 11:25 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 10:55 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 08:03 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Who wants ITT Tech or University of Phoenix to join the Sun Belt? That's basically what Liberty University is to me. Liberty is NOT a peer institution of the University of South Alabama. It is a peer of University of Phoenix. 89% of Liberty students are online only. With 95,000 online-only students it's easy to have an abundance of wealth. But it doesn't make them a peer institute to my alma mater or any current Sun Belt institution.

Yet....we're both fully accredited by the same exact accrediting association...We have 13,200 students ON CAMPUS here in Lynchburg...law school, med school, film school, and 200+ majors and so forth...You have just about 2,000 more on campus students than we do...and in a few years we're going to 20,000....

So take out the online programs... 15,300 students to 13,200 students. Fully accredited by the same association. Similar programs of study.

Not a peer institution?

Wait for it......here is the site that Maroo doesn't want you to see -

http://www.southalabama.edu/ecampus/prospective.html

USA has what....an......online school??????? *Crickets*

........ In addition to over 250 online courses each semester, we offer a growing number of fully online graduate degrees and upper division (junior-senior) programs of interest to community college graduates and returning students who want to complete their degrees online......

Any good school will have an online component. We aren't a diploma mill with 95,000 online students to bolster our coffers though. Having a vision for FBS and bigger and better things is great, but I disagree with the method being used to gain the financial capacity to get there. By the way, USA is a NATIONAL university. Liberty is a REGIONAL university. I stand by my comments.

I stand by Skull's comments, too.
Liberty is a computer-generated diploma mill with a large majority of online students. USA's online component is a supplement to traditional college education.

I find it interesting that only Baylor has scheduled Liberty. It appears BYU, Baylor, Boston College, SMU, TCU , Wake Forest have not offered to schedule games with Liberty.
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(08-21-2014 08:01 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I find it interesting that only Baylor has scheduled Liberty. It appears BYU, Baylor, Boston College, SMU, TCU , Wake Forest have not offered to schedule games with Liberty.

We lost to Wake Forest two years ago 20-17. They beat us on a late pick returned for TD.
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(08-20-2014 08:03 AM)SkullyMaroo Wrote:  Who wants ITT Tech or University of Phoenix to join the Sun Belt? That's basically what Liberty University is to me. Liberty is NOT a peer institution of the University of South Alabama. It is a peer of University of Phoenix. 89% of Liberty students are online only. With 95,000 online-only students it's easy to have an abundance of wealth. But it doesn't make them a peer institute to my alma mater or any current Sun Belt institution.

Unfortunately, this is the truth.

If Liberty were beginning to transition more to a normal setup then I'd feel differently.

As an athletic institution I think they would be fine, and I think they could greatly benefit the Belt in that way, especially by bringing a shitload of fans with online degrees around the nations.

Still, at 90% online enrollment handing out internet degree there is a red-flag.
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(08-21-2014 08:54 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 08:01 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I find it interesting that only Baylor has scheduled Liberty. It appears BYU, Baylor, Boston College, SMU, TCU , Wake Forest have not offered to schedule games with Liberty.

We lost to Wake Forest two years ago 20-17. They beat us on a late pick returned for TD.

Thank you for the info. Have they rescheduled for future?
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(08-21-2014 12:19 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 08:54 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 08:01 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I find it interesting that only Baylor has scheduled Liberty. It appears BYU, Baylor, Boston College, SMU, TCU , Wake Forest have not offered to schedule games with Liberty.

We lost to Wake Forest two years ago 20-17. They beat us on a late pick returned for TD.

Thank you for the info. Have they rescheduled for future?

I do not believe so... I think the only reason why Wake scheduled Liberty was because our then HC coach Danny Rocco was an alumnus of Wake.

Thus far, we are scheduled to play at West Virginia and at Georgia State in 2015.

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/2015-schedule/

And we play at Virginia Tech in 2016 and at Baylor in 2017.

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/2016-schedule/
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(08-21-2014 12:42 PM)LUcanesfan Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:19 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 08:54 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 08:01 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I find it interesting that only Baylor has scheduled Liberty. It appears BYU, Baylor, Boston College, SMU, TCU , Wake Forest have not offered to schedule games with Liberty.

We lost to Wake Forest two years ago 20-17. They beat us on a late pick returned for TD.

Thank you for the info. Have they rescheduled for future?

I do not believe so... I think the only reason why Wake scheduled Liberty was because our then HC coach Danny Rocco was an alumnus of Wake.

Thus far, we are scheduled to play at West Virginia and at Georgia State in 2015.

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/2015-schedule/

And we play at Virginia Tech in 2016 and at Baylor in 2017.

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/2016-schedule/

WVU, Va Tech and Baylor aren't bad. I would guess UVA or ODU would be the next goal in scheduling.
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(08-20-2014 06:50 AM)statefanatic Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 02:04 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  The article should have been labeled as a paid advertisement for Liberty.
The writer, Dan Wolken, makes statements that are condescending and unethically attack other schools in an attempt to promote LU.


"Appalachian State and Georgia Southern were highly successful in FCS and endured long internal debates before making the jump. Others, like Georgia State, were completely unprepared but had to jump at the opportunity when offered."

"It's unclear how financially viable those programs will be in the long term, especially as the price tag to compete goes up."

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nca.../14299979/

The statement is true though. None of the recent move ups have the money Liberty has. If Liberty were invited today they would be the richest program in the conference.

Just another proof that there is a Creator, as Liberty has this massive athletic fund without any revenue streams except little old ladies sending in their grandchildren's inheritance.

I bet they thought that money was to spread the Word to all the poor pagans in Africa, and other third world areas. No it was to get a football team into a sectarian football conference.
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RE: Liberty article
(08-21-2014 12:48 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:42 PM)LUcanesfan Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 12:19 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 08:54 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  
(08-21-2014 08:01 AM)FloridaJag Wrote:  I find it interesting that only Baylor has scheduled Liberty. It appears BYU, Baylor, Boston College, SMU, TCU , Wake Forest have not offered to schedule games with Liberty.

We lost to Wake Forest two years ago 20-17. They beat us on a late pick returned for TD.

Thank you for the info. Have they rescheduled for future?

I do not believe so... I think the only reason why Wake scheduled Liberty was because our then HC coach Danny Rocco was an alumnus of Wake.

Thus far, we are scheduled to play at West Virginia and at Georgia State in 2015.

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/2015-schedule/

And we play at Virginia Tech in 2016 and at Baylor in 2017.

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/2016-schedule/

WVU, Va Tech and Baylor aren't bad. I would guess UVA or ODU would be the next goal in scheduling.


Suffered a heartbreaker to ODU last year. The ODU AD and ours have developed a great relationship since....my guess is we'll play them more often in the future.

Yes...we have 90,000 online students. The average age is 35. The majority are master's degree candidates....people continuing their education. Many more are working on professional certificates and so forth. Many cannot afford to uproot their families to attend uni in the more "traditional" manner. The "online school" is also fully accredited by SACS...a huge difference between LU and Phoenix. Phoenix is a for profit with few nationally accredited degrees.

Case in Point...our online master's degree in professional counseling leads to the LPC...licensed professional counselor...and is the 5th best online master's counseling program in the country. http://www.superscholar.org/top-schools-...es-degree/

Say you're 30...working in non-profit that aims to help inner city youth change their lives. You are looking to upgrade your skill set, and want a master's degree in counseling that is fully accredited. Where do you go?

Understand - the online school is fully accredited by SACS. That is to say, the same agency that certifies South Alabama resident students also certifies Liberty online students. We've worked hard to earn that distinction...so when you rag on the online segment - remember that many of them are professionals in their field, with an average age of 35, who are simply looking to further their education and upgrade their skill set.

Another case in point..."Henry" is 27, and a youth pastor at a mega church in Houston. He wants to apply to a senior pastor leadership position and knows that a master's will help his chances. Where does he go? Why not a Master's in Divinity - Leadership program from Liberty, the world's largest Christian University?? Henry gets the degree, a new career, and a 15k raise in the process.

These are the people you're insulting. Carry on.
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Where should the kid in Houston go? How about Houston Baptist?

Don't get me wrong, there is nothing wrong with providing a lot of online degrees, or even being primarily an online University. However, that puts you outside the wider academic setting in a way people don't accept as equal.
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(08-20-2014 02:25 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(08-20-2014 10:55 AM)Campaign4Liberty Wrote:  Yet....we're both fully accredited by the same exact accrediting association...We have 13,200 students ON CAMPUS here in Lynchburg...law school, med school, film school, and 200+ majors and so forth...You have just about 2,000 more on campus students than we do...and in a few years we're going to 20,000....

I bet film school at Liberty is um....interesting.

How many Kirk Cameron movies can you watch in a semester?

And now Angus T Jones......
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Liberty's financial strength also is its greatest weakness.I read alot of comments about Liberty and it's etiologies and ideologies which seem to be more strawmen than anything else.

Liberty is seen as a threat to any conference giving it a platform to "grow a monster" while leaving it's mates behind.

ULL/ASU couldn't get to the bridge quick enough to jump....

I hope they find a home in the Sun Belt but I just don't see why we need to go to 12.I would rather wait until we drop to 10 and then add 2 at a later date.
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I think C-USA comes calling. With JMU out of the picture, the Virginian Pilot newspaper reported that ODU was lobbying for us to be their travel partner. I think Liberty prefers the Sun Belt footprint for recruiting though. Heard APP State also wanted us as travel partner. Time will tell.
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Question: If the Sun Belt is not pressed in getting to 12 schools and hosting a championship game, then why did they extend Idaho and NMSU lifelines?

Some could say it was because of Benson's familiarity with them, but the SBC did not owe them anything especially since they left the SBC on their own. Plus the addition of NMSU as a football-only invite does not seem to be a power-move considering that their best sport is in basketball.
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(08-22-2014 06:50 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I think C-USA comes calling. With JMU out of the picture, the Virginian Pilot newspaper reported that ODU was lobbying for us to be their travel partner. I think Liberty prefers the Sun Belt footprint for recruiting though. Heard APP State also wanted us as travel partner. Time will tell.

CUSA is full so the only ticket in town is at the SBC. It wouldn't surprise me if Liberty got another look but I would like to see the NCAA give them a wavier to move up as an independent. Liberty is one of the few schools in the country that could take that route IMHO.
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(08-22-2014 06:50 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I think C-USA comes calling. With JMU out of the picture, the Virginian Pilot newspaper reported that ODU was lobbying for us to be their travel partner. I think Liberty prefers the Sun Belt footprint for recruiting though. Heard APP State also wanted us as travel partner. Time will tell.

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It's basically the same footprint. You lose GA in CUSA, but gain Florida, so I'll call that a wash since both are great recruiting areas.
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(08-22-2014 07:07 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(08-22-2014 06:50 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I think C-USA comes calling. With JMU out of the picture, the Virginian Pilot newspaper reported that ODU was lobbying for us to be their travel partner. I think Liberty prefers the Sun Belt footprint for recruiting though. Heard APP State also wanted us as travel partner. Time will tell.

CUSA is full so the only ticket in town is at the SBC. It wouldn't surprise me if Liberty got another look but I would like to see the NCAA give them a wavier to move up as an independent. Liberty is one of the few schools in the country that could take that route IMHO.

Agreed... I feel that Liberty is an independent school trying to "fit in" with other schools to join a conference...

Falwell, Jr.'s trips to Ark State and UL-L was just to deliver his "Hey, we're just like you" speech. At the end of the day, it still boiled down to a private, Christian-based school trying to link up with public, non-religious universities.

Independence in football does not work unless you have a conference home for your Olympic sports.
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(08-22-2014 07:40 AM)LUcanesfan Wrote:  
(08-22-2014 07:07 AM)Georgia_Power_Company Wrote:  
(08-22-2014 06:50 AM)Liberty Fan Wrote:  I think C-USA comes calling. With JMU out of the picture, the Virginian Pilot newspaper reported that ODU was lobbying for us to be their travel partner. I think Liberty prefers the Sun Belt footprint for recruiting though. Heard APP State also wanted us as travel partner. Time will tell.

CUSA is full so the only ticket in town is at the SBC. It wouldn't surprise me if Liberty got another look but I would like to see the NCAA give them a wavier to move up as an independent. Liberty is one of the few schools in the country that could take that route IMHO.

Agreed... I feel that Liberty is an independent school trying to "fit in" with other schools to join a conference...

Falwell, Jr.'s trips to Ark State and UL-L was just to deliver his "Hey, we're just like you" speech. At the end of the day, it still boiled down to a private, Christian-based school trying to link up with public, non-religious universities.

Independence in football does not work unless you have a conference home for your Olympic sports.
That's just the point. Your school is not like the others. Your mission plan is different, your rules and regulations promulgated for its students is different, your message to the community is different and your approach is different. Don't get me wrong, I am all for the admittance of a Christian-based university along the lines of BYU, UND, Holy Cross etc. but comparing you to them is like comparing Faith Lutheran Church to Westboro Baptist Church.
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