I wish we could just lock BYU in for the Miami Bowl in years PAC is not available

(08-19-2014 10:33 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:22 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  BYU > Air Force > Army

That is all

Take AF off that list.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/0...U620140803

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/08/03/air...r-reports/

They've turned to crap recently.

On the other hand Air Force has the spotlight on them to turn things around. It might work out alright sooner than later.

(08-20-2014 11:37 AM)YNot Wrote:  BYU absolutely benefits from an AAC scheduling agreement. No doubt.

I see at least four potential benefits that BYU could bring to the AAC through a scheduling agreement:

1) When the AAC contract is up for renewal or extension, if there are 2-3 games against BYU for the foreseeable future, that would add value to the contract. The BYU-AAC affiliation will produce competitive and exciting matchups that would make ESPN/other TV partners happy. The BYU-AAC games provide additional inventory from which the TV partners can select broadcasts - this can be especially helpful on weekends where the AAC lineup lacks luster;

2) Exposure on the road: When the game is in Provo and under BYU's control, the game would likely be broadcast on ABC, ESPN or ESPN2;

For illustration of points #1 and #2 above, in 2014 the BYU games with UConn, Houston, and UCF are all to be broadcast on ESPN. All of BYU's home games, except for FCS opponents on BYUtv) for the last 3 seasons have been broadcast on one of the ESPN networks or ABC, even including WAC opponents.

3) Schedule variety: BYU-AAC matchups could be sprinkled in through October and November to provide some additional variation and excitement to AAC schedules.

4) An extra bowl game or two to the AAC lineup. The Poinsettia Bowl would absolutely sign on with the AAC/BYU affiliation - both BYU and Navy have played in this bowl recently. The Las Vegas Bowl would also likely sign on with the AAC/BYU affiliation to play a PAC 12 opponent. The option to select either BYU or a top-tier AAC team could replace the MWC - even if it were every other year or so. That's two new bowl alternatives in excellent locations.

The AAC would retain its eligibility into the G5 access bowl slot and would maintain it TV contracts and revenues. It would be a great opportunity to have a formal relationship, to determine whether full BYU membership makes sense for the AAC.

Of course, BYU and the AAC can still test the waters informally by BYU and AAC members individually scheduling future games - which I definitely hope happens, regardless. Then, the main benefit not had is the potential new bowl affiliations.

All great valid points many in this league have already expressed and agreed to at various threads in this board.

I 100% agree with you, Blue Cougar... This partnership will absolutely be a great business decision for both parties (AAC & BYU) and probably no need to leave the AAC for one of those so called p5 conferences anymore.

Why this has yet to take place is beyond me, I tell you.

(08-20-2014 12:07 PM)BigHouston Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 11:37 AM)YNot Wrote:  BYU absolutely benefits from an AAC scheduling agreement. No doubt.

I see at least four potential benefits that BYU could bring to the AAC through a scheduling agreement:

1) When the AAC contract is up for renewal or extension, if there are 2-3 games against BYU for the foreseeable future, that would add value to the contract. The BYU-AAC affiliation will produce competitive and exciting matchups that would make ESPN/other TV partners happy. The BYU-AAC games provide additional inventory from which the TV partners can select broadcasts - this can be especially helpful on weekends where the AAC lineup lacks luster;

2) Exposure on the road: When the game is in Provo and under BYU's control, the game would likely be broadcast on ABC, ESPN or ESPN2;

For illustration of points #1 and #2 above, in 2014 the BYU games with UConn, Houston, and UCF are all to be broadcast on ESPN. All of BYU's home games, except for FCS opponents on BYUtv) for the last 3 seasons have been broadcast on one of the ESPN networks or ABC, even including WAC opponents.

3) Schedule variety: BYU-AAC matchups could be sprinkled in through October and November to provide some additional variation and excitement to AAC schedules.

4) An extra bowl game or two to the AAC lineup. The Poinsettia Bowl would absolutely sign on with the AAC/BYU affiliation - both BYU and Navy have played in this bowl recently. The Las Vegas Bowl would also likely sign on with the AAC/BYU affiliation to play a PAC 12 opponent. The option to select either BYU or a top-tier AAC team could replace the MWC - even if it were every other year or so. That's two new bowl alternatives in excellent locations.

The AAC would retain its eligibility into the G5 access bowl slot and would maintain it TV contracts and revenues. It would be a great opportunity to have a formal relationship, to determine whether full BYU membership makes sense for the AAC.

Of course, BYU and the AAC can still test the waters informally by BYU and AAC members individually scheduling future games - which I definitely hope happens, regardless. Then, the main benefit not had is the potential new bowl affiliations.

All great valid points many in this league have already expressed and agreed to at various threads in this board.

I 100% agree with you, Blue Cougar... This partnership will absolutely be a great business decision for both parties (AAC & BYU) and probably no need to leave the AAC for one of those so called p5 conferences anymore.

Why this has yet to take place is beyond me, I tell you.

I am sorry it needs to lead to commitment


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I think its pretty likely that Army will eventually reconsider membership in the AAC.

Its one thing to have said a year ago if you are Army that you'll wait to see how the landscape evolves and whether the AAC is going to hold together. Today most of the major decisions for the future of college football are now in progress.

The time the AAC look-in rolls around will be decision time for Army. The AAC may decide to wait until their 7 year agreement is up and then testing the open waters at that time. Eventually the AAC will be making more money and Army will want to be part of that.

(08-20-2014 10:06 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 09:50 AM)NYCTUFan Wrote:  

(08-20-2014 08:32 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:22 PM)ArmoredUpKnight Wrote:  BYU > Air Force > Army

That is all

Of course, but all 3 would be a home run.

I used to think that also but I’ve started thinking about this differently from a purely business standpoint.

BYU and Army are no brainers. The Westchester NY / NYC market, the exposure of having Army and NAVY, BYU’s football history and exposure for the conference that their affiliation with the LDS church would bring make them both potentially lucrative moves for the AAC.

So say that both programs join and ESPN renegotiates or offers a new deal that’s an absolute home run at say 150,000,000 per year for 10 years. That’s just over 10 million per program per year (not factoring in partial shares for football only members like BYU, Army and Navy).

Would having the AFA and program #16 add enough value for ESPN to add another 21,000,000 per year for 10 years to the contract?

Lets take realistic numbers, 6,000,000 per year per program for 10 years with Army and BYU would be an 84,000,000 per year contact, does AFA and #16 move the needle 14% to 96,000,000 per year? If they don’t all that is happening is a dilution of revenue. Army and BYU have something of value to sell the networks, AFA not so much and #16 is a tag along to fill out the conference.

I’m starting to think that while having all 3 service academies would be nice having 14 with BYU and Army is clean, football only (no worries about a home for AFA’s Olympic sports), less travel and would be the most lucrative in the long run for the AAC.

It’s just a thought.

Here is the trouble with Army and Navy in the same conference. Thier game would have to be played prior to championship weekend. Would the Army-Navy game be as valuable of it wasn't played the week after championship weekend where it is really the only FBS football on that Saturday?

Here is what I think we can do for now---sign a scheduling agreement with Army. Sign a Notre Dame agreement with BYU. We get 5 games a year vs Army. We get 5 games a year vs BYU. BYU joins as a full Olympic member and gets access to all our bowls (exept the G5 access bowl slot).

Now you have 10 games involving Army or BYU on your schedule every year. A solid nationally followed BYU basketball program is now part of the AAC. The cost? We only have to split the media deal for a 1/13th share of the basketball side of revenue to BYU. But when it comes time to negotiate, we now have 5 extra guranteed national interest football games in our inventory every year + we added a nationally followed basketball program that regularly makes the NCAA tournament.

With this type of deal, future western expansion becomes much easier should we ever want to raid the MW for 4 members to become a 16 member national conference.

I am going to disagree.

Navy and Army should remain in the Patriot League for all sports that are not football. Football can work through the American.

BYU should join the American for football only. BYU should remain in the WCC for their other sports.

Air Force should join the American for football only. The remaining sports go to a more regional conference like the WCC.

For football, the American benefits because of the additional political clout the military academies and BYU bring.

Army and BYU don't go past 3 to 5 games a piece and get access to the AAC bowls. They are scheduled as the opponent in the years that the PAC -12 or another P-5 school can't be scheduled. Also they have to earn an access bowl on their own merits. No way either joins the AAC at this time and with the current TV contact the AAC shouldn't bring on any more members after Navy joins to dilute the revenue stream.

The AAC needs to shed some schools.

(08-21-2014 06:17 PM)firmbizzle Wrote:  The AAC needs to shed some schools.

No, it does not... at least at this time.

Back on topic: I really like the idea of having BYU, Army and Air Force added to our conference for football only, assuming that the Academies can compete in the long run. If Navy can do it, there's no reason that Army can't.

Ideally, we would add all-sports members such as Boise, Fresno, SDSU (who seems to want to be here, at least judging from the message-board fan base) and UNLV, along with Air Force and Army for football-only. This set-up would create a very good conference set up, secure us a slot in an Access Bowl and likely have us competing for a playoff spot some years.

(08-21-2014 05:55 PM)panite Wrote:  Army and BYU don't go past 3 to 5 games a piece and get access to the AAC bowls. They are scheduled as the opponent in the years that the PAC -12 or another P-5 school can't be scheduled. Also they have to earn an access bowl on their own merits. No way either joins the AAC at this time and with the current TV contact the AAC shouldn't bring on any more members after Navy joins to dilute the revenue stream.

I think BYU would be all over an AAC affiliation, if it meant better bowl options for BYU and 3 or 4 games in October and November.

Here's what I think could be a pretty good relationship:

BYU would help the AAC land the Las Vegas Bowl v. the PAC 12 in odd years and Heart of Dallas Bowls v. the Big Ten in even years. MWC and C-USA would take the opposite years. BYU could be selected over the AAC ONCE in a 6-year period to each of the following bowls:

St. Petersburg Bowl (v. ACC)
Military Bowl (v. ACC)
*Las Vegas Bowl (v. PAC 12)
*Heart of Dallas Bowl (v. Big Ten)

BYU could be picked to face an AAC team in any of the following bowls up to TWICE in a 6-year period:

Miami Beach Bowl (AAC v. BYU, PAC 12, or C-USA-alternate)
Armed Forces Bowl (AAC v. BYU, Army, or C-USA)
Poinsettia Bowl (AAC v. MWC or BYU; if necessary, this matchup could be MWC v. BYU)

So, the upside to the AAC is to add the Las Vegas, Heart of Dallas, and Poinsettia Bowl affiliations that would include matchups against the PAC 12, Big Ten, and MWC and to add BYU as a possible opponent in the Miami Beach, Armed Forces, and Poinsettia Bowls.

The bowl hierarchy would mean BYU is eligible for selection, but would not be a guarantee. BYU is limited to only once to each of the upper tier bowls in the 6-year cycle (ie, maximum of 4 times in 6 years).

This does not include the G5 access bowl slot, because BYU would not be a G5 champion. BYU could still make the CFP or an at large bid to the New Year's 6 on its own merits, just like any other AAC at large team.

The upside to BYU is bowl options each year and later-season scheduling help.

(08-19-2014 10:05 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 09:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 08:54 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  While researching which FBS TV deal is next up for NBC/NBCSN to get (BTN is likely to keep current partners or withdraw completely from ESPN) I stumbled across the fact that Army's deal ends this season.

Is this a possible indication that they may be joining or thinking about joining a conference? If not NBC/NBCSN gaining those rights to go along with Notre Dame could be a solid offering until CUSA is back on the market (next FBS property coming up until 2019)


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The Big-10 comes on the market in 2016.

Read the first paragraph. My opinion is B1G will withdraw from ESPN and go all in on the Fox partnership.


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VERY VERY VERY VERY much doubt that will be the case. There might be some scenario where Fox is offering a billion dollars more than ESPN, in which case all bets are off, but if ESPN is at least competitive, there will still be a large number of Big Ten games on ABC/ESPN. For as much talk as there is about the relationship between ESPN and the SEC, the top game picks on ABC/ESPN are still its Big Ten package (as the SEC's top picks are on CBS). The Big Ten isn't dumb enough to walk away from ESPN exposure and ESPN isn't dumb enough to let Fox pull off a monopoly on Big Ten games.

What's most likely is what occurred with both the Big 12 and Pac-12: ESPN and Fox will work *together* for a joint bid for the Big Ten. The one thing that neither ESPN nor Fox can allow to happen is for NBC (or more importantly, its parent Comcast that wields extreme power over the cable subscriber fees of the ESPN and Fox networks) to get its hand on any Big Ten games. It's not an accident that ESPN and Fox (and to a lesser extent, CBS and Turner) keep working together on a lot of sports deals, but don't want anything to do with teaming up with NBC/Comcast despite the fact that Fox Sports 1 is in an underdog-esque position like NBCSN (unlike superpower ESPN).

Disney and Fox might hate each other in a lot of ways, but their clear mutual enemy is Comcast: they're bound by "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" ethos when it comes to sports rights. I'd bank heavily that both ESPN and Fox will be sharing the Big Ten rights when the next deal is signed.

FWIW, in a semi-related anecdote, Jim Delany took the Ice Bucket Challenge yesterday. (I've done the Ice Bucket Challenge myself.) He then challenged two specific people: the president of the BTN (not a surprise) and the head of programming acquisitions of ESPN (AKA the guy who was just named to be in charge of buying ALL sports rights for ESPN). The commissioner of the Big Ten could call out dozens of powerful people within the conference and across college sports, yet he challenged those two specific guys (and he doesn't really need to be talking to the head of programming acquisitions at ESPN in 2014 unless... hmmm... they're already talking about a new deal). Like I said, take it FWIW.

NBCSN will have some NASCAR commitments on Saturdays starting next year as they'll have the 2nd half of the Xfinity Series (currently known as the Nationwide Series) along with any Saturday practice sessions for Sprint Cup races that NBC or NBCSN will air. I'm not sure what they can reasonably take on though some stuff gets bumped to CNBC as needed, like when Formula 1 has conflicts with Barclays Premier League coverage.

(08-23-2014 06:10 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  NBCSN will have some NASCAR commitments on Saturdays starting next year as they'll have the 2nd half of the Xfinity Series (currently known as the Nationwide Series) along with any Saturday practice sessions for Sprint Cup. I'm not sure what they can reasonably take on though some stuff gets bumped to CNBC as needed, like when Formula 1 has conflicts with Barclays Premier League coverage.

I expect some stuff will be bumped up to NBC proper. Now if they can get their midday workday straightened out I would suggest a NBCSN2


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(08-23-2014 06:14 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(08-23-2014 06:10 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  NBCSN will have some NASCAR commitments on Saturdays starting next year as they'll have the 2nd half of the Xfinity Series (currently known as the Nationwide Series) along with any Saturday practice sessions for Sprint Cup. I'm not sure what they can reasonably take on though some stuff gets bumped to CNBC as needed, like when Formula 1 has conflicts with Barclays Premier League coverage.

I expect some stuff will be bumped up to NBC proper. Now if they can get their midday workday straightened out I would suggest a NBCSN2


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That could be its own adventure. They have around seven ND games with approx five mid afternoon games, PGA FedEx Cup tournaments & Ryder Cup every other year in September and the Breeders Cup in November (though three of next four will be out west in primetime on NBC), plus the 12:30pm ET Barclays Premier League games most weeks.

The NASCAR schedule for 2015 will come out on Tuesday 8/26.

(08-23-2014 11:28 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  

(08-23-2014 06:14 PM)PurpleReigns2012 Wrote:  

(08-23-2014 06:10 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  NBCSN will have some NASCAR commitments on Saturdays starting next year as they'll have the 2nd half of the Xfinity Series (currently known as the Nationwide Series) along with any Saturday practice sessions for Sprint Cup. I'm not sure what they can reasonably take on though some stuff gets bumped to CNBC as needed, like when Formula 1 has conflicts with Barclays Premier League coverage.

I expect some stuff will be bumped up to NBC proper. Now if they can get their midday workday straightened out I would suggest a NBCSN2


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That could be its own adventure. They have around seven ND games with approx five mid afternoon games, PGA FedEx Cup tournaments & Ryder Cup every other year in September and the Breeders Cup in November (though three of next four will be out west in primetime on NBC), plus the 12:30pm ET Barclays Premier League games most weeks.

The NASCAR schedule for 2015 will come out on Tuesday 8/26.

Yup they have the properties with no home, but no midday shows with a home. Not sure why they axed SportsDash.


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