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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
(08-18-2014 10:57 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:52 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  UTEP had a presence in Houston and Dallas for years, but UTEP would almost certainly jump to the MWC because they were in the WAC with a lot of those MWC schools. There was an ESPN article on the subject last year and it was pretty clear that the UTEP administration would go to the MWC. In all honesty I never understood why the MWC would want Hawaii as football only member when they could have had UTEP as a full member and on top of that UTEP fits the geography and culture of the MWC more so than they do the culture of CUSA. I hope it happens, because UTEP should be in a conference with their natural rivals.

Thanks Marv. Hope more UTEP posters voice their opinions.

They did. We had thread after thread where the UTEP posters spoke up about it.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-603025.html

http://csnbbs.com/thread-567195.html
08-18-2014 11:04 PM
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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
When the Mountain West and Conference USA announced they were merging (before half the realignment we got; weird to think about that now), there was definite talk of UTEP switching over to the Mountain West. If they were for that then, I suspect they'd take that now.

Beyond, we the pecking order is pretty well established right now as 1. Mountain West and American 2. Conference USA and MAC 3. Sunbelt. That's all coming from what we've seen occur. The American couldn't successfully raid the Mountain West (although it almost did as the Big East), but the American did raid Conference USA and the MAC of everyone invited and Conference USA raided the Sunbelt of everyone they invited. The only non-direct one in that is the MAC, which was partially raided by the American (Temple), but never raided anyone else.

Note: It is certainly fair to say that ability to raid for some schools does not mean they can get all.
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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
If I'm the MWC and Hawaii leaves I question that I would want to replace them with UTEP.

Why not go for a school like Texas State or UTSA with more upside in football located in the main recruiting corridor OR go with UTEP, UNT, UTSA to put together a package deal of Texas schools.

MWC Mountain: Wyoming, Colorado St, Air Force, New Mexico, UTEP, UNT, UTSA

MWC Pacific: Utah St, Boise St, Nevada, UNLV, SJSU, Fresno St, SDSU

A move like that would get the MWC into Texas heavily with big schools.
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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
(08-18-2014 09:51 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:42 PM)paintedblue Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:35 PM)CajunFanatico Wrote:  
Quote:Hawaii athletics director Ben Jay painted a grim picture for the future of his football program while speaking to the university’s Board of Regents on Monday afternoon.

"There's a very real possibility of football going away," Jay reportedly told the Board.

Hawaii is currently facing a $2.1 million budget deficit this year and has worked under a budget deficit during 11 of the past 13 years.

And the football program isn’t helping.

Because the program has not had a winning season since 2010 and has won just four games in the past two seasons, interest is down. By the end of July, Hawaii had sold just 15,568 season tickets for the team’s seven-game home schedule. Hawaii has sold at least 18,000 season tickets every year since the 1970s.

Last year, it sold just 18,354 season tickets.

Even when the team posted an undefeated regular season and played in the Sugar Bowl, season ticket sales for the following year only swelled to 27,700 in 2008.

Aloha Stadium seats 50,000.

https://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-...07654.html

If this came to pass, would the MWC look to C-USA's UTEP as a potential add to replace Hawaii? Would UTEP be interested?


Are you just trying to 05-stirthepot stir the poi?

Nope, not in the least.

As has been commented elswhere, the AD may be just trying to drum up support for increased season ticket sales, but if he is, it's a hell of a bad way to do it IMHO. Think of the possible negative impact on potential recruits....and how Hawaii's opponents will use his comments against the school in the recruiting battles.

Exactly right. As I posted in the related thread, Ben Jay just effed up.

Immediately after saying UH football might "go away", he caught himself and went on to say "but even if football goes away, all the revenues that football drives goes away and then it [UH athletics] becomes a costlier venture for the university." In other words, football turns a net profit and the athletic deficit would be even worse without it, so the reality is that there's no way UH will drop football unless it closes down the entire athletic program.

It was a clumsy and amateurish attempt by an incompetent AD to stir up some controversy and embarrass local politicians into supporting a bigger public subsidy for the program. (It should be noted that UH has the least subsidized athletic program in the Big West and one of the lowest in the MWC, which is the point Jay SHOULD have been making to justify a larger subsidy.)

Jay's follow-on remark was reported in the Honolulu Star-Advertiser but ignored in both the Yahoo and CBS Sports coverage.
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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
If this happens with Hawaii and the MWC wants to stay in its geographic footprint, the pickins are pretty slim. Idaho and New Mexico St. are probably looking for a home. I can't imagine they're all that happy parking football in the Sun Belt and being in the WAC for hoops. Other than that, there are really no other schools out west that would be looking for a new conference. I guess they could try to lure BYU back (I'd guess that's very doubtful) or maybe go for the east Texas markets (UNT, UTSA, Rice). With all that considered, I suppose UTEP would be the natural fit here. And, I think the administration would probably go with it.
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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
(08-18-2014 11:37 PM)STexMiner Wrote:  If this happens with Hawaii and the MWC wants to stay in its geographic footprint, the pickins are pretty slim. Idaho and New Mexico St. are probably looking for a home. I can't imagine they're all that happy parking football in the Sun Belt and being in the WAC for hoops. Other than that, there are really no other schools out west that would be looking for a new conference. I guess they could try to lure BYU back (I'd guess that's very doubtful) or maybe go for the east Texas markets (UNT, UTSA, Rice). With all that considered, I suppose UTEP would be the natural fit here. And, I think the administration would probably go with it.

I would give New Mexico State a little more of a chance than some because they are a land grant school and do have very good basketball to offer.
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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
Jay put out a retraction as soon as he got back to his office and realized what he had done.

"My comments at the Committee on Intercollegiate Athletics' meeting were made in order to convey a sense of urgency regarding the need to address our current funding model. In no way was I indicating that a decision on program reduction of any sport was under consideration. Rather, I was suggesting that the department's financial situation required that all possible scenarios be reviewed. Hopefully, going forward, there will be a priority placed on discussing the future financial needs of the UH Athletics Department. President David Lassner has expressed his support and we'll call upon our many loyal stakeholders to help us ensure that we remain competitive within the future landscape of intercollegiate athletics. We owe that to our student-athletes and passionate fans."

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/break...=271782181
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I hate to be a doom and gloomer...but only 30 or so athletic departments operate in the black in this country...

This is going to be a recurring theme over the next few years as the landscape changes in major college sports. The Power 5 aren't going to get richer...but they'll be able to stabilize with the major TV dollars are balanced with the increased COA stipends. But the Group of 5 won't be able to pay what the Power 5 pay...which means they'll get even LESS money from TV because of less competitiveness...and then people will start asking...why are we doing this in the first place?
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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
(08-19-2014 09:59 AM)allthatyoucantleavebehind Wrote:  I hate to be a doom and gloomer...but only 30 or so athletic departments operate in the black in this country...

This is going to be a recurring theme over the next few years as the landscape changes in major college sports. The Power 5 aren't going to get richer...but they'll be able to stabilize with the major TV dollars are balanced with the increased COA stipends. But the Group of 5 won't be able to pay what the Power 5 pay...which means they'll get even LESS money from TV because of less competitiveness...and then people will start asking...why are we doing this in the first place?

Marketing and exposure... and it works.
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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
It'd be cool if NDSU got invited to the MWC if rainbow warriors drop football.

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Montana and NDSU are the only two worthy of a call up but UTEP or NMSU would probably be picked up first I would assume.
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A move to shake down the boosters thats gonna cost them badly in recruiting when all their rivals on the west coast are telling prospects not to bother looking a program that wont be there by the time they are seniors (true or not)
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(08-19-2014 12:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  A move to shake down the boosters thats gonna cost them badly in recruiting when all their rivals on the west coast are telling prospects not to bother looking a program that wont be there by the time they are seniors (true or not)
Yep.
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RE: Hawaii AD says Warriors football could be 'going away'
This needs to be merged into the thread I started.
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