(08-18-2014 03:39 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Had no idea that words don't mean anything. It says it places the MAC ahead of the other G5 conferences. Are we not a G5 conference? Is ahead different from behind? Yeah, I jumped the gun with a link and a quote. What do you guys have? Zip. Like I said, the thread title is a question. Did they or did they not? The article says they did. We will see.

They could be ahead of the Sun Belt and CUSA and that quote would be accurate.

If they were top dog they would have said so (such as all G5 conferences not other G5 conferences).

In today’s poor excuse for journalism you have to really read to see what they meant. Its all about clicks and that misleading quote will drive traffic more than "MAC TV deal now middle of the G5 road".

It's $1M for the entire conference.

Please disband this entire thread ASAP.

Mea culpa--it does say ahead of "other G5 members" ---not ahead of the other G5 members. In my defense, as you can see below, when the article was first posted on the MAC board, it said the MAC was ahead of "the other G5 members".

http://csnbbs.com/thread-698918.html

It must have been edited between that time and the time I posted it here. Anyway, mistake noted, changing thread title.

(08-18-2014 03:35 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There are no details on money---just a statement that I quoted indicating that the new contract places them ahead of all the rest of the G5. That's why the thread title is a question. The MAC tied themselves to a 13 year agreement--so it is possible they did surpass our present income. They only have to reach 2 million each to beat our current deal. Thirteen years from now, 2 million a team will be pretty darn cheap and we may be making 10 million a school.

Not how I read that.

Just said "it does favorably position the MAC ahead of other members of the Group of Five" then went on to explain what the G5 consists of (for those living under a rock).

Does not say they are the top dog in TV now.

Well, the MAC was already ahead of the Sun Belt, so the next lowest paid conference would be CUSA. How much is CUSA? $15 million between CBS and Fox? If that statement is correct about "other" G5, then it could mean the MAC at least passed $15 per year or $1 million and change per school.

(08-18-2014 03:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  Mea culpa--it does say ahead of "other G5 members" ---not ahead of the other G5 members. That said, they were always ahead of the Sunbelt.

The Sun Belt literally gets pennies. They may have to actually pay to have their games on. Kidding, sort of. It's not hard to beat Sun Belt TV deal. They get very few TV slots and even less dollars.

(08-18-2014 03:36 PM)The Knight Time Wrote:  Shocked to find a Houston fan jumped the gun on something.

Let me whip it out...I guess it's time for another pissing contest.

(08-18-2014 03:47 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:35 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There are no details on money---just a statement that I quoted indicating that the new contract places them ahead of all the rest of the G5. That's why the thread title is a question. The MAC tied themselves to a 13 year agreement--so it is possible they did surpass our present income. They only have to reach 2 million each to beat our current deal. Thirteen years from now, 2 million a team will be pretty darn cheap and we may be making 10 million a school.

Not how I read that.

Just said "it does favorably position the MAC ahead of other members of the Group of Five" then went on to explain what the G5 consists of (for those living under a rock).

Does not say they are the top dog in TV now.

Well, the MAC was already ahead of the Sun Belt, so the next lowest paid conference would be CUSA. How much is CUSA? $15 million between CBS and Fox?

I heard CUSA gets 14M per year.

If any of the G4 conferences get a bump in tv revenue, I absolutely believe the AAC will get one much favorable... I'm thinking 2016 we'll see serious talks heating up.

The hysterical thing is that the MAC is so secretive and we'll probably never know the financial details, just that it is significantly better and competitive with the other G5.

(08-18-2014 03:48 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:47 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:35 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There are no details on money---just a statement that I quoted indicating that the new contract places them ahead of all the rest of the G5. That's why the thread title is a question. The MAC tied themselves to a 13 year agreement--so it is possible they did surpass our present income. They only have to reach 2 million each to beat our current deal. Thirteen years from now, 2 million a team will be pretty darn cheap and we may be making 10 million a school.

Not how I read that.

Just said "it does favorably position the MAC ahead of other members of the Group of Five" then went on to explain what the G5 consists of (for those living under a rock).

Does not say they are the top dog in TV now.

Well, the MAC was already ahead of the Sun Belt, so the next lowest paid conference would be CUSA. How much is CUSA? $15 million between CBS and Fox?

I heard CUSA gets 14M per year.

There have been rumors for some time that the new deal would be around 1 million per team. That would place them about even with CUSA.

We negotiated our deal from the worst possible perfect-storm of bad luck in the history of sports. Conference was held together with duct tape, everyone was trashing us, and we didn't even have a NAME. We all know we're way undervalued for a conference that had our level of success.

What's interesting to me is that ESPN negotiated with 3 years left on the deal. Didn't we sign a 5 year deal? If we're entering year 2, then we could very well renegotiate next summer. Not that I expect more from ESPN, the game is totally rigged. They could offer us the exact same deal as the MAC... what would we do about it?? We shopped around once, as the Big East, and it was a total bust.

Pessimistic about our position on this...

(08-18-2014 03:50 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:48 PM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:47 PM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:35 PM)GO Coogs GO!!! Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 03:27 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  There are no details on money---just a statement that I quoted indicating that the new contract places them ahead of all the rest of the G5. That's why the thread title is a question. The MAC tied themselves to a 13 year agreement--so it is possible they did surpass our present income. They only have to reach 2 million each to beat our current deal. Thirteen years from now, 2 million a team will be pretty darn cheap and we may be making 10 million a school.

Not how I read that.

Just said "it does favorably position the MAC ahead of other members of the Group of Five" then went on to explain what the G5 consists of (for those living under a rock).

Does not say they are the top dog in TV now.

Well, the MAC was already ahead of the Sun Belt, so the next lowest paid conference would be CUSA. How much is CUSA? $15 million between CBS and Fox?

I heard CUSA gets 14M per year.

There have been rumors for some time that the new deal would be around 1 million per team. That would place about even with CUSA.

My guess is between CUSA and MWC. Although Im hoping for the best which is the highest of the G5.

Could be half the story though. They didn't really mention how many games and what channel but they did mention ESPN get all of Football and "select" basketball. Which could mean somebody else is in on the basketball side. I wouldn't be surprised if NBCSN picked up a basketball package that will pay a small bit like they pay the A10 in their deal 2 or 3 years ago (couple hundred thousand per team per year)

Hopefully the MAC does get an increase in it's contract to an amount larger than the AAC, because that would mean that Aresco is about to score some serious cash for the AAC.

(08-18-2014 03:53 PM)Bull Wrote:  We negotiated our deal from the worst possible perfect-storm of bad luck in the history of sports. Conference was held together with duct tape, everyone was trashing us, and we didn't even have a NAME. We all know we're way undervalued for a conference that had our level of success.

What's interesting to me is that ESPN negotiated with 3 years left on the deal. Didn't we sign a 5 year deal? If we're entering year 2, then we could very well renegotiate next summer. Not that I expect more from ESPN, the game is totally rigged. They could offer us the exact same deal as the MAC... what would we do about it?? We shopped around once, as the Big East, and it was a total bust.

Pessimistic about our position on this...

AAC deal was for 7 years through the 2019-2020 season

(08-18-2014 03:54 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Hopefully the MAC does get an increase in it's contract to an amount larger than the AAC, because that would mean that Aresco is about to score some serious cash for the AAC.

The entire G5 is grossly underpaid compared to the P5. The MAC gets 25% of the Big Ten TV ratings, 25% of the Big Ten attendance, 25% of the Big Ten CFP split, etc... so how are we not worth 25% of their TV payday? (and MAC is on ESPN2/U and not ABC/ESPN)

I realize 25% of the Big Ten's TV payday is $6 million per team, but lets say 10% - thats $3 million. Perhaps the AAC is 30-35% instead of 25%... you get the idea.

(08-18-2014 03:53 PM)Bull Wrote:  We negotiated our deal from the worst possible perfect-storm of bad luck in the history of sports. Conference was held together with duct tape, everyone was trashing us, and we didn't even have a NAME. We all know we're way undervalued for a conference that had our level of success.

What's interesting to me is that ESPN negotiated with 3 years left on the deal. Didn't we sign a 5 year deal? If we're entering year 2, then we could very well renegotiate next summer. Not that I expect more from ESPN, the game is totally rigged. They could offer us the exact same deal as the MAC... what would we do about it?? We shopped around once, as the Big East, and it was a total bust.

Pessimistic about our position on this...

We signed a 7 year agreement for basketball (started last fall) and a 6 year agreement for football (starts this fall). I am not pessimistic as I agree with the first part of your post. I wouldn't be surprised to see the AAC get 4-10 million a year in an extension negotiation if we continue to have solid performance over the next few years. Ive always felt 6 million a school (that was the low end of what the TV consultants came up with in 2011) is a reasonable value for AAC members.

If the MAC really was getting 1M total, then there is no way they passed the AAC in terms of total dollars when the AAC is currently getting around 24M per year in ESPN and CBS dollars, or in other words 24 times the MAC. I hope that the MAC did get a good raise, because that just means Aresco can negotiate a better deal. There is nothing stopping Aresco from extending deal, which he already said he would do if the dollars are right.

(08-18-2014 03:54 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  Hopefully the MAC does get an increase in it's contract to an amount larger than the AAC, because that would mean that Aresco is about to score some serious cash for the AAC.

My thinking exactly.

true $1m to $24m is a large jump, but in context $1m is so mind-numbingly cheap its near criminal. Even the old CUSA is getting $14m or $15m and they're impossible to find on TV. Weeknight MACtion provides real value, to pay each MAC team $1m-$1.5m a year isn't unreasonable. The MAC is grossly underpaid and corrective measures are hopefully in place. I think its wrong to assume, however, that if the MAC gets a market correction that it means the AAC will get a raise to keep them exponentially higher than the MAC.

(08-18-2014 04:06 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  true $1m to $24m is a large jump, but in context $1m is so mind-numbingly cheap its near criminal. Even the old CUSA is getting $14m or $15m and they're impossible to find on TV. Weeknight MACtion provides real value, to pay each MAC team $1m-$1.5m a year isn't unreasonable. The MAC is grossly underpaid and corrective measures are hopefully in place. I think its wrong to assume, however, that if the MAC gets a market correction that it means the AAC will get a raise to keep them exponentially higher than the MAC.

Exactly, in the context that the P5 conferences get $300 million per year for their TV rights, does a $23 million raise for the MAC seem like much? Seems plausible to me. I'd take it as good news for ALL the G5 if the MAC passes the AAC. Its like when Tom Brady signed his huge contract..... it made Peyton Manning smile.

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