(08-18-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Over the years we've gone through "fads" if you will concerning offensive styles from the wishbone to the pro set to the spread.

How will football change in the next 10 years?

Communication system in every players helmet with real time analytics data scrolling across each players face shield to give the best chance at success deciphering opposing teams defense.

(08-18-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Over the years we've gone through "fads" if you will concerning offensive styles from the wishbone to the pro set to the spread.

How will football change in the next 10 years?

I think it will go in cycles. As the best spread athletes become scarce, because all the big universities go to it and everyone optimizes their defenses to defend it (rangey and fast). Someone will figure out how to use the neglected top tier fullback sized players to have success.

(08-19-2014 01:18 PM)uccheese Wrote:  I think the running QB will eventually go to an extreme we haven't yet seen. Now that a huge amount of teams are running pistol/shotgun anyway, there is very little point in handing the ball off outside of misdirection. I could see QB/RB morphing into 1 position to have the QB running all of the normal run plays with 6-7 QBs on the team in case of injury or to rotate in the same way teams use RBBC. It wipes out wasted motion of handoffs and can give you an additional blocker somewhere else. It also allows for a lot more options for post-snap reads for the QB to either run or pass.

Even the best dual threat QB needs a RB to hand off to. Otherwise you totally eliminate any opportunity for play action or misdirection running plays.

(08-18-2014 11:01 AM)StillJonesing Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:43 AM)jvllepirate Wrote:  Offensive Lines will be spread out across the field on the line of scrimmage

I read an article about the air raid with Mike Leach in the early years that talked about their gaps when he first started putting the system in and how revolutionary it was. Texas Tech QB's rarely got sacked too, and Carden only got sacked 29 times last year which is amazing for the amount we throw. We have to have one of the better sack percentages in the nation. I could see offenses pushing the envelopes more with gaps as well.

Riley does not use these wide splits at ECU…Our oline is pretty standard with their spacing. That was one of the things I was looking forward to seeing when Riley came on board at ECU. I remember him saying shortly after he got here that our oline was not really built like the type of olines they had at Texas Tech…Meaning tall quick rangy linemen. When they came on board at ECU they inherited an oline that was built more for a power running game. I have wondered if they would change as they recruited their own "type" of guys but I have not seen it yet, we are still pretty standard with our splits on the oline.

I think the low number of sacks in this type of offense has more to do with the quick nature of the passing game than anything else. I have wondered though if our running backs could be more productive in this type of offense with the wider splits to open up more running lanes.

(08-19-2014 02:00 PM)SublimeKnight Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Over the years we've gone through "fads" if you will concerning offensive styles from the wishbone to the pro set to the spread.

How will football change in the next 10 years?

I think it will go in cycles. As the best spread athletes become scarce, because all the big universities go to it and everyone optimizes their defenses to defend it (rangey and fast). Someone will figure out how to use the neglected top tier fullback sized players to have success.

I agree…I think you will eventually see the pendulum swing back the other direction from an offensive perspective. In all honesty most of these "new" style offense are implement to be different, to give the defenses a different look than they are used to seeing week in and week out.

At some point after most teams have gone to a spread offense and defense adapt with small quicker defensive players you will see more teams try and get big, run down hill, and try to puns it down the throats of the smaller defenses. In some respects I think that is why we have seen Stanford be so successful of late. They are in a league of mostly high powered spread you out offenses so the defenses in that league have adjusted their defenses accordingly. Now you have Stanford who likes to line up and heavy sets and puns it down your throat and the defensed in the PAC 12 have a hard time stopping them.

In some respects you can even see that approach being successful in the old CUSA. Both UCF and ECU had some good runs in the league a few years back and we were both one of the few teams that would line up and play smash mouth football.

(08-19-2014 01:52 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:43 PM)uccheese Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:26 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:18 PM)uccheese Wrote:  I think the running QB will eventually go to an extreme we haven't yet seen. Now that a huge amount of teams are running pistol/shotgun anyway, there is very little point in handing the ball off outside of misdirection. I could see QB/RB morphing into 1 position to have the QB running all of the normal run plays with 6-7 QBs on the team in case of injury or to rotate in the same way teams use RBBC. It wipes out wasted motion of handoffs and can give you an additional blocker somewhere else. It also allows for a lot more options for post-snap reads for the QB to either run or pass.

Handoffs are hardly a waste. You couldn't do play action without handoffs. If anything i'd call for more fake handoffs in the form of timed options.

In effect, every play is a play action. Instead of faking to a RB, the "RB" already has the ball.

How can you have a play action if you cant fake the handoff?

The point of a play action is to threaten a run so the defense can't automatically react to the pass routes being run. The QB can do this himself if he is the normal ball carrier because the defense has to freeze and see if he is running. He really doesn't have to do anything to do it either and it accomplishes the same thing.

(08-19-2014 01:40 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:22 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Dual quarterbacks on the field at the same time is coming!!!!!

UCF has been doing that for years lol.

Watch out for the Wild Knight!

Really? Were they both in the backfield? Think how scary it would be if either guy in the shot gun formation backfield could get the snap???

When Jeff Godfrey and Bortles were running it, Godfrey was shotgun, slot would run the sweep and Bortles was wide ready for a potential QB screen double pass.

skip to the :46 second mark for an example.

(08-19-2014 02:46 PM)uccheese Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:52 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:43 PM)uccheese Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:26 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:18 PM)uccheese Wrote:  I think the running QB will eventually go to an extreme we haven't yet seen. Now that a huge amount of teams are running pistol/shotgun anyway, there is very little point in handing the ball off outside of misdirection. I could see QB/RB morphing into 1 position to have the QB running all of the normal run plays with 6-7 QBs on the team in case of injury or to rotate in the same way teams use RBBC. It wipes out wasted motion of handoffs and can give you an additional blocker somewhere else. It also allows for a lot more options for post-snap reads for the QB to either run or pass.

Handoffs are hardly a waste. You couldn't do play action without handoffs. If anything i'd call for more fake handoffs in the form of timed options.

In effect, every play is a play action. Instead of faking to a RB, the "RB" already has the ball.

How can you have a play action if you cant fake the handoff?

The point of a play action is to threaten a run so the defense can't automatically react to the pass routes being run. The QB can do this himself if he is the normal ball carrier because the defense has to freeze and see if he is running. He really doesn't have to do anything to do it either and it accomplishes the same thing.

So what he's going to pump... run?

A handoff does several things significantly more effective than a fake run, it hides the ball and forces the defense to hesitate to see which person of two (or more) actually has the ball and decide who to chase. That split second allows plays across the middle, or if the safeties bite, a deep ball. A QB alone takes all additional options out of that, and all eyes are in the QB who they know have the ball and who they know can either leave the pocket, or pass.

(08-19-2014 02:52 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 02:46 PM)uccheese Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:52 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:43 PM)uccheese Wrote:  

(08-19-2014 01:26 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  Handoffs are hardly a waste. You couldn't do play action without handoffs. If anything i'd call for more fake handoffs in the form of timed options.

In effect, every play is a play action. Instead of faking to a RB, the "RB" already has the ball.

How can you have a play action if you cant fake the handoff?

The point of a play action is to threaten a run so the defense can't automatically react to the pass routes being run. The QB can do this himself if he is the normal ball carrier because the defense has to freeze and see if he is running. He really doesn't have to do anything to do it either and it accomplishes the same thing.

So what he's going to pump... run?

A handoff does several things significantly more effective than a fake run, it hides the ball and forces the defense to hesitate to see which person of two (or more) actually has the ball and decide who to chase. That split second allows plays across the middle, or if the safeties bite, a deep ball. A QB alone takes all additional options out of that, and all eyes are in the QB who they know have the ball and who they know can either leave the pocket, or pass.

No, he's going to have the ball which IMO is all he would need to do. If a QB has 25 carries in the game, and he takes the snap, are all the LBs/Safeties, running back in coverage? If so, I'm sure we're getting 6 yards a carry. But no, they're either committing (just like in play action) to stop the run or they're freezing to see which of the options the QB is taking. You're accomplishing the same thing a different way, using fewer of your offensive pieces.

Obviously, this is an opinion, for fun thread. I just see the evolution of pistol offense and putting your best athletes at QB and someone eventually asking, why tell the defense what is happening based on who has the ball? Let them continue guessing right up until the ball carrier cross the line. What's the down side? That a RB might be 1% better running the ball than the kid who can throw? I don't think it's worth it. Along with it, we already see teams going more and more to the run/pass option POST snap read. If your QB is the guy running the ball, you can make split second decisions much more efficiently. JMO

I'm still waiting on the multi-QB system.

(08-19-2014 01:54 PM)CyberBull Wrote:  

(08-18-2014 10:29 AM)NBPirate Wrote:  Over the years we've gone through "fads" if you will concerning offensive styles from the wishbone to the pro set to the spread.

How will football change in the next 10 years?

Communication system in every players helmet with real time analytics data scrolling across each players face shield to give the best chance at success deciphering opposing teams defense.

I'd say they will come up with sensors on defender's helmets that can give the QB an audio signal inside their helmet to indicate someone is coming up from the blind side to tackle them (similar to a backup sensor system in cars).

I think all sorts of sensors will be used in the future to determine pass interference, illegal touching, offsides, etc. Being able to know that a defender touched a WR 5.016 yards past the line of scrimmage is the next step in officiating.

(08-19-2014 01:22 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Dual quarterbacks on the field at the same time is coming!!!!!

Memphis was doing that back in the USFL days.
Play was called "double zero"

The Flying Wedge

This, maybe?

Massive amounts of shifting by linemen at the line of scrimmage. Tackles lines up over the ball and half and two receivers shift into G and T position on the other side of him.
Then the WR and RBs shift. Liked what I saw when UTSA did things like this. Art Briles teams do it too.

(08-19-2014 01:22 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Dual quarterbacks on the field at the same time is coming!!!!!

See UL Monroe. They been doing this for years now.

speaking of different offenses...when WVA had Slaton and White, that spread-option they ran was nearly impossible to stop. I hated playing that team.

(08-19-2014 06:08 PM)UHRedcat96 Wrote:  Massive amounts of shifting by linemen at the line of scrimmage.

Jon Gruden was obsessed with line shifts. I remember watching the Bucs and they'd get to the line with 15 seconds on the play clock. They'd shift and set, shift and set, send a WR in motion... and then run off tackle for 2 yards.

Turn back the clock:

Wing T and/or other running game formations that use to be the norm.

With fast-paced short drop passing games now being the norm, that's exactly what team defenses work on during the season...so I look for a team to use formations (maybe similar to Navy, Ga Tech, etc..) that they won't see, maybe at all, during the rest of the season.

Another example: Georgia Southern beat Florida last year without completing even ONE PASS...as their strong running game couldn't be stopped.

Here is your answer... The so called 'pop pass' or its accurate description the read-option-play-action-pass

The 'Pop Pass'