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(08-18-2014 11:08 AM)mlb Wrote:  You love to read things into what people type on this board. He was pretty clear on what he said.

Maybe we should just read in that you are a racist homophobe because you question everything to do with skin color and gays.

IMO you have always been the racist and bigot. You have backed that up repeatedly on this thread.

You are a hate monger.
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(08-18-2014 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:17 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

I don't care about the color of his skin. Anytime someone is shot by the police I want them to investigate and verify that was the appropriate action by the cop. That simple.

Does it bother you that I don't care about the color of his skin and I just want to find out if the police officer was acting in the right?

How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

Nobody's calling them the bad guys, but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Damn right.

Besides Ferguson, MSNBC, and the other millions of supporters...
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(08-18-2014 11:09 AM)gdunn Wrote:  1. Currently there is a law in the MO Senate to withhold officer's names when an investigation is ongoing unless he's been convicted by a Grand Jury. Thanks to the IOFA, the police turned over all evidence they had, including the video.

But it is not the actual law. It is a bill. The police chief claimed to withhold it because he was concerned about death threats. I understand his point, but he also needs to understand what the perception is going to be after withholding the name.

Quote:2. The media that has been arrested has been because they refuse to listen to the LEOs and stay in media areas. It's for their own safety.

I'd have picked them up, moved them 5 blocks down the street, and released them. Not held them for hours... but that is just me.

Quote:3.I cannot speak for this one, because that is the first I've heard of it.

There are videos of this. I'm sure the police did nothing with the body, but the opportunity was there and the last thing you want to do is allow the conspiracy theorists to come out and start questioning your actions.
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(08-18-2014 11:09 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Yeah whatever dude. You are in "wait and see mode" while each one of your posts imply that the cops went on some kind of vigilante crusade while you ignore the context of the situation.

Once again, you trying to add more to what I've said. I said 1 thing... let's wait and see what the final evidence shows. I pointed out that not all officers are "gentlemen" hence I'd like to make a decision based on the official evidence and not based on conjecture found online and in the media.

As far as your "what we know" lines, we also know that there are conflicting eyewitness accounts. All of this will be settled when the investigation is completed. I'm not going to indict or vindicate anyone until the final report is completed.

(08-18-2014 11:10 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  IMO you have always been the racist and bigot. You have backed that up repeatedly on this thread.

You are a hate monger.

By calling for a wait and see approach I'm a racist and bigot? You have a warped mind and sense of reality.
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(08-18-2014 11:19 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:09 AM)gdunn Wrote:  1. Currently there is a law in the MO Senate to withhold officer's names when an investigation is ongoing unless he's been convicted by a Grand Jury. Thanks to the IOFA, the police turned over all evidence they had, including the video.

But it is not the actual law. It is a bill. The police chief claimed to withhold it because he was concerned about death threats. I understand his point, but he also needs to understand what the perception is going to be after withholding the name.

Quote:2. The media that has been arrested has been because they refuse to listen to the LEOs and stay in media areas. It's for their own safety.

I'd have picked them up, moved them 5 blocks down the street, and released them. Not held them for hours... but that is just me.

Quote:3.I cannot speak for this one, because that is the first I've heard of it.

There are videos of this. I'm sure the police did nothing with the body, but the opportunity was there and the last thing you want to do is allow the conspiracy theorists to come out and start questioning your actions.

It doesn't help when the local news finds out the name of the officer, goes to his house, films the street name, house number, and the house.. I think holding the name was the right call. At least until the investigation had been done. Saturday the New Black Panthers were leading death chants for Darren Wilson. If the roles were reversed, racism would be screamed by the media, but guess what.. Not a breath was wasted on it.

They held the media who kept breaking the law.. Just because you're a reporter trying to get a juicy scoop, that doesn't mean you're above the law. The 1st amendment doesn't protect you from being above the law. When the police tell you to clear an area and you refuse, you deserve to be held in jail. Bottom line. Just like when an officer tells you to place your hands on a steering wheel or to freeze. You obey. He may be in the wrong, but you comply and then later report it.
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(08-18-2014 11:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:17 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

I don't care about the color of his skin. Anytime someone is shot by the police I want them to investigate and verify that was the appropriate action by the cop. That simple.

Does it bother you that I don't care about the color of his skin and I just want to find out if the police officer was acting in the right?

How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

Nobody's calling them the bad guys, but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Damn right.

Are you kidding me? This comment alone implies that you would blame the cops first. The evidence is pretty much painting the picture that this cop shot out of self defense.

I implied no such thing. Meanwhile, you continue to infer much.
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(08-18-2014 11:13 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:17 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Does it bother you that had Michael Brown been white, this wouldn't even be a story? It would make a dumb criminals reel.

I don't care about the color of his skin. Anytime someone is shot by the police I want them to investigate and verify that was the appropriate action by the cop. That simple.

Does it bother you that I don't care about the color of his skin and I just want to find out if the police officer was acting in the right?

How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

Nobody's calling them the bad guys, but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Damn right.

Besides Ferguson, MSNBC, and the other millions of supporters...

I was referring to this conversation's participants.
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(08-18-2014 11:31 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:17 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:54 AM)mlb Wrote:  I don't care about the color of his skin. Anytime someone is shot by the police I want them to investigate and verify that was the appropriate action by the cop. That simple.

Does it bother you that I don't care about the color of his skin and I just want to find out if the police officer was acting in the right?

How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

Nobody's calling them the bad guys, but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Damn right.

Are you kidding me? This comment alone implies that you would blame the cops first. The evidence is pretty much painting the picture that this cop shot out of self defense.

I implied no such thing. Meanwhile, you continue to infer much.

Quote:but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?
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(08-18-2014 11:39 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:31 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:17 AM)LSU04_08 Wrote:  How about anytime ANYONE is shot? Why are the cops always the bad guys no matter the situation?

Nobody's calling them the bad guys, but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Damn right.

Are you kidding me? This comment alone implies that you would blame the cops first. The evidence is pretty much painting the picture that this cop shot out of self defense.

I implied no such thing. Meanwhile, you continue to infer much.

Quote:but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Yes. And?
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(08-18-2014 11:40 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:39 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:31 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:52 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Nobody's calling them the bad guys, but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Damn right.

Are you kidding me? This comment alone implies that you would blame the cops first. The evidence is pretty much painting the picture that this cop shot out of self defense.

I implied no such thing. Meanwhile, you continue to infer much.

Quote:but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Yes. And?

The word "but" in your sentence implies they share some kind of blame or that they were not acting within their power.
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I hope these Protesters realize tonight that National Guard is authorized to use live ammo and not "non-lethal" rounds to protect property.
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(08-18-2014 11:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:40 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:39 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:31 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:03 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  Are you kidding me? This comment alone implies that you would blame the cops first. The evidence is pretty much painting the picture that this cop shot out of self defense.

I implied no such thing. Meanwhile, you continue to infer much.

Quote:but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Yes. And?

The word "but" in your sentence implies they share some kind of blame or that they were not acting within their power.

No it doesn't. You're reading what I didn't write again. Hubris.
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(08-18-2014 11:53 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:40 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:39 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:31 AM)Smaug Wrote:  I implied no such thing. Meanwhile, you continue to infer much.

Quote:but should they be held to a higher standard than your average hood rat?

Yes. And?

The word "but" in your sentence implies they share some kind of blame or that they were not acting within their power.

No it doesn't. You're reading what I didn't write again. Hubris.

Sure it does. Why did you think that part of your sentence was necessary? Just a random thought?
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(08-18-2014 11:54 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:53 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:40 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:39 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  

Yes. And?

The word "but" in your sentence implies they share some kind of blame or that they were not acting within their power.

No it doesn't. You're reading what I didn't write again. Hubris.

Sure it does. Why did you think that part of your sentence was necessary? Just a random thought?

No it doesn't. Really.

It's like you have some weird contrariety Tourettes things going on.
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So... just listened to Bill Cunningham (regular on Hannity and O'Reilly) interview a captain in the Cincinnati police department. The captain laid out every issue that comes in to play and basically said that the Ferguson, Mo. police department screwed up in countless ways. Once the podcast goes up I'll post it here, but other police departments and conservative talk radio is even on the bandwagon that the police screwed up royally, whether or not Michael Brown deserved to be shot.

If you cannot communicate with the constituents and be transparent, then there is a problem. I am going to venture a guess that heads roll in the FPD after all of this and they redo everything to do with their interactions with the community.
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(08-18-2014 12:01 PM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:54 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:53 AM)Smaug Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:49 AM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 11:40 AM)Smaug Wrote:  Yes. And?

The word "but" in your sentence implies they share some kind of blame or that they were not acting within their power.

No it doesn't. You're reading what I didn't write again. Hubris.

Sure it does. Why did you think that part of your sentence was necessary? Just a random thought?

No it doesn't. Really.

It's like you have some weird contrariety Tourettes things going on.

I'm afraid it does Smaug, and with you, it may not even a conscious thing.

You know damn well that the protesters, the rioters and the pathetic media have been pushing narrative that the police are to blame.


If you were truly impartial you would never have made a statement like that. How can you imply that police must be held to a higher standard without giving the impression that they haven't met that standard?

I also think you need to research what Tourettes syndrome is.
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(08-18-2014 12:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I'm afraid it does Smaug, and with you, it may not even a conscious thing.

You know damn well that the protesters, the rioters and the pathetic media have been pushing narrative that the police are to blame.

If you were truly impartial you would never have made a statement like that. How can you imply that police must be held to a higher standard without giving the impression that they haven't met that standard?

I also think you need to research what Tourettes syndrome is.

Will you apologize when your Republican mouthpieces start coming out with criticisms of how the FPD have handled the investigation?
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(08-18-2014 12:57 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 12:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I'm afraid it does Smaug, and with you, it may not even a conscious thing.

You know damn well that the protesters, the rioters and the pathetic media have been pushing narrative that the police are to blame.

If you were truly impartial you would never have made a statement like that. How can you imply that police must be held to a higher standard without giving the impression that they haven't met that standard?

I also think you need to research what Tourettes syndrome is.

Will you apologize when your Republican mouthpieces start coming out with criticisms of how the FPD have handled the investigation?

To say the department should have done this or that is hindsight. They were getting death threats and wanted to keep the officers name, and his family, out of the spotlight while they were investigating.
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(08-18-2014 12:57 PM)mlb Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 12:51 PM)oklalittledixie Wrote:  I'm afraid it does Smaug, and with you, it may not even a conscious thing.

You know damn well that the protesters, the rioters and the pathetic media have been pushing narrative that the police are to blame.

If you were truly impartial you would never have made a statement like that. How can you imply that police must be held to a higher standard without giving the impression that they haven't met that standard?

I also think you need to research what Tourettes syndrome is.

Will you apologize when your Republican mouthpieces start coming out with criticisms of how the FPD have handled the investigation?

This has nothing to do with an investigation. Stop trying to change the parameters. This is about a media and a large portion of the general public jumping on the blame the police narrative that has been growing in America for a few years now.

This is about a dishonest assumption that this kid was unjustly shot.
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(08-18-2014 01:06 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  To say the department should have done this or that is hindsight. They were getting death threats and wanted to keep the officers name, and his family, out of the spotlight while they were investigating.

It may be hindsight, but the SOP for Cincinnati police is completely different than that of Ferguson. That is the point I'm making... the local conservative media here (700WLW) has been putting the Ferguson PD on blast all day (I didn't listen over the weekend) and had a captain on talking about all the things done wrong.

They talked about how they would have handled it, how they would have gotten information out within hours, not days. Talked about how they would have put out the name of the officer because you need to be transparent (they would have put him and his family up somewhere to keep them safe). They talked about their community out reach that obviously not in place in Ferguson.

They also talked about when Cincinnati had riots in 2001 they found that the officer was not completely honest through the investigation... which was a turning point for them as a department. How did they find out? There was video evidence that showed he was lying. He was fired from the police force but never charged because, while he lied, he did not commit a crime. Integrity first...
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