Pretty sure this is a pipe dream, but is it possible?

The NCAA and their members are currently missing out on a lot of money that is going to so-called non-profits (bowls) and CFP Administration, LLC (the company created by the BCS that runs the +1 they said would never work).

Much like the NCAA basketball tournament (who just took conference champions at one point) and the NIT (which used to get REALLY good at-large schools) used to battle for supremacy, an actual football playoff (8 or 16 teams) could try to sway power from the fake football playoff (BCS +1 format with a committee instead of a formula) and the outdated bowl system.

In the early years, they'd have to rely on conference champs that did not make the +1 playoff or a more lucrative bowl than whatever the NCAA could shell out and top at-large teams. Perhaps someday all 10 conference champs and 6 at large teams could be included.

Would ESPN squash it like a bug before it got off the ground?

Would the P5 balk and prohibit their schools from participating?

Would admins and fans prefer it, especially if the first 2 or 3 rounds were done at campus sites where the schools and communities reaped financial rewards? Schools are getting tired of buying guaranteed amounts of overpriced tickets. Having more games on campus would eliminate that.

Is it possible that given enough time, an NCAA run postseason could win out?

(08-17-2014 12:11 PM)Chappy Wrote:  Pretty sure this is a pipe dream, but is it possible?

The NCAA and their members are currently missing out on a lot of money that is going to so-called non-profits (bowls) and CFP Administration, LLC (the company created by the BCS that runs the +1 they said would never work).

Much like the NCAA basketball tournament (who just took conference champions at one point) and the NIT (which used to get REALLY good at-large schools) used to battle for supremacy, an actual football playoff (8 or 16 teams) could try to sway power from the fake football playoff (BCS +1 format with a committee instead of a formula) and the outdated bowl system.

In the early years, they'd have to rely on conference champs that did not make the +1 playoff or a more lucrative bowl than whatever the NCAA could shell out and top at-large teams. Perhaps someday all 10 conference champs and 6 at large teams could be included.

Would ESPN squash it like a bug before it got off the ground?

Would the P5 balk and prohibit their schools from participating?

Would admins and fans prefer it, especially if the first 2 or 3 rounds were done at campus sites where the schools and communities reaped financial rewards? Schools are getting tired of buying guaranteed amounts of overpriced tickets. Having more games on campus would eliminate that.

Is it possible that given enough time, an NCAA run postseason could win out?

I don't think they could start their own post season since it would conflict with the current College Football Playoff agreement that pre-dates it. However, in 6 years when its time to renegotiate the bowl agreements, the NCAA would be free to create a series of high paying bowls that would invite the top 6-10 schools not in the CFP or access bowls. Over time, this foothold could expand to become an NCAA run playoff or could lead to the significant expansion of the existing CFP. The NCAA could also create the a G5 TV network or a NCAA TV network if it wanted to chase more dollars.

They already do. It's FCS.

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(08-17-2014 12:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  They already do. It's FCS.

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Beat me to it.

The bowl system makes more money.

Need to get into P5, there is no way around it.

The NCAA should have started DIV-1A playoff years ago but instead they relinquished control to the powerful programs who control the Big Conferences and ESPN. I don't see the NCAA standing up to them now.

(08-17-2014 12:43 PM)willhclark Wrote:  The NCAA should have started DIV-1A playoff years ago but instead they relinquished control to the powerful programs who control the Big Conferences and ESPN. I don't see the NCAA standing up to them now.

Yeah, when I was writing the OP I was thinking this is something they probably needed to do in the 1960's.

(08-17-2014 12:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  They already do. It's FCS.

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Beat me to it.

But the OP wants the same for FBS.

Problem with that is it's hypocritical to say 'fcs (also D1 NCAA) teams can't be in "OUR" NCAA-D1 football championship tournament'.

Football being weekly, not almost daily like basketball and baseball, precludes us from including all conference champs plus a few worthy at-larges.....unless, what? We shorten the regular season to 8 games???

In order to include all 23(?) NCAA-D1 (football) conference champs, we could do Gold, Silver, and Bronze post season tournaments.

Gold tournament would get 60% of the entire playoff money....Silver = 30%....Bronze = 10%.

Each of the three tournaments would have 6 to 8 auto bids being the conference champ of the top 6 to 8 conferences each end of season per the committee going to the Gold Touney (+ enough at-larges to make 16). The next 6 to 8 strongest conferences' champs (+ at-larges for 16) to the Silver....the remaining bottom 7 to 11 conferences' champs (+ to 16) to the Bronze.....at-larges would be per committee aided strongly by an RPI system like in basketball.


Back to the 60/30/10%.....

Say the entire playoff revenue pot for all 3 tournaments were $100 million (very lowball est)....

$60MM to Gold Tourney, $30MM to Silver, and $10MM to Bronze....will be dispersed in each tourney like basketball credits except each conference would earn 3 different sets of credits over a rolling 6-year period: Gold, Silver and Bronze credits.

Major "BCS" Bowls would be used in the Gold Tournament's semis and NCG as currently, with the 4 other non-semi BCS bowls getting the best of the first and second round Gold Tourney losers.

(08-17-2014 12:54 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 12:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  They already do. It's FCS.

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Beat me to it.

But the OP wants the same for FBS.

Problem with that is it's hypocritical to say 'fcs (also D1 NCAA) teams can't be in "OUR" NCAA-D1 football championship tournament'.

Football being weekly, not almost daily like basketball and baseball, precludes us from including all conference champs plus a few worthy at-larges.....unless, what? We shorten the regular season to 8 games???

In order to include all 23(?) NCAA-D1 (football) conference champs, we could do Gold, Silver, and Bronze post season tournaments.

Gold tournament would get 60% of the entire playoff money....Silver = 30%....Bronze = 10%.

Each of the three tournaments would have 6 to 8 auto bids being the conference champ of the top 6 to 8 conferences each end of season per the committee going to the Gold Touney (+ enough at-larges to make 16). The next 6 to 8 strongest conferences' champs (+ at-larges for 16) to the Silver....the remaining bottom 7 to 11 conferences' champs (+ to 16) to the Bronze.....at-larges would be per committee aided strongly by an RPI system like in basketball.


Back to the 60/30/10%.....

Say the entire playoff revenue pot for all 3 tournaments were $100 million (very lowball est)....

$60MM to Gold Tourney, $30MM to Silver, and $10MM to Bronze....will be dispersed in each tourney like basketball credits except each conference would earn 3 different sets of credits over a rolling 6-year period: Gold, Silver and Bronze credits.

Major "BCS" Bowls would be used in the Gold Tournament's semis and NCG as currently, with the 4 other non-semi BCS bowls getting the best of the first and second round Gold Tourney losers.

Except they can if they just move up. No need for a gold, silver bronze

(08-17-2014 01:36 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 12:54 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 12:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  They already do. It's FCS.

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Beat me to it.

But the OP wants the same for FBS.

Problem with that is it's hypocritical to say 'fcs (also D1 NCAA) teams can't be in "OUR" NCAA-D1 football championship tournament'.

Football being weekly, not almost daily like basketball and baseball, precludes us from including all conference champs plus a few worthy at-larges.....unless, what? We shorten the regular season to 8 games???

In order to include all 23(?) NCAA-D1 (football) conference champs, we could do Gold, Silver, and Bronze post season tournaments.

Gold tournament would get 60% of the entire playoff money....Silver = 30%....Bronze = 10%.

Each of the three tournaments would have 6 to 8 auto bids being the conference champ of the top 6 to 8 conferences each end of season per the committee going to the Gold Touney (+ enough at-larges to make 16). The next 6 to 8 strongest conferences' champs (+ at-larges for 16) to the Silver....the remaining bottom 7 to 11 conferences' champs (+ to 16) to the Bronze.....at-larges would be per committee aided strongly by an RPI system like in basketball.


Back to the 60/30/10%.....

Say the entire playoff revenue pot for all 3 tournaments were $100 million (very lowball est)....

$60MM to Gold Tourney, $30MM to Silver, and $10MM to Bronze....will be dispersed in each tourney like basketball credits except each conference would earn 3 different sets of credits over a rolling 6-year period: Gold, Silver and Bronze credits.

Major "BCS" Bowls would be used in the Gold Tournament's semis and NCG as currently, with the 4 other non-semi BCS bowls getting the best of the first and second round Gold Tourney losers.

Except they can if they just move up. No need for a gold, silver bronze

"They" being FCS?....then same applies to the G5 concerning any NCAA FBS Tournament the OP is suggesting.

If there is an FBS NCAA Tournament, on top of your 'just move up' requirement, then in most years, 16 out of the 16 teams in this FBS level tourney would be from P5 still....with a long shot of just 1 G5 getting in 1 out of 10 years due to the 'just move up' provision.

(08-17-2014 12:54 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 12:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  They already do. It's FCS.

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Beat me to it.

But the OP wants the same for FBS.

Problem with that is it's hypocritical to say 'fcs (also D1 NCAA) teams can't be in "OUR" NCAA-D1 football championship tournament'.

Football being weekly, not almost daily like basketball and baseball, precludes us from including all conference champs plus a few worthy at-larges.....unless, what? We shorten the regular season to 8 games???

In order to include all 23(?) NCAA-D1 (football) conference champs, we could do Gold, Silver, and Bronze post season tournaments.

Gold tournament would get 60% of the entire playoff money....Silver = 30%....Bronze = 10%.

Each of the three tournaments would have 6 to 8 auto bids being the conference champ of the top 6 to 8 conferences each end of season per the committee going to the Gold Touney (+ enough at-larges to make 16). The next 6 to 8 strongest conferences' champs (+ at-larges for 16) to the Silver....the remaining bottom 7 to 11 conferences' champs (+ to 16) to the Bronze.....at-larges would be per committee aided strongly by an RPI system like in basketball.


Back to the 60/30/10%.....

Say the entire playoff revenue pot for all 3 tournaments were $100 million (very lowball est)....

$60MM to Gold Tourney, $30MM to Silver, and $10MM to Bronze....will be dispersed in each tourney like basketball credits except each conference would earn 3 different sets of credits over a rolling 6-year period: Gold, Silver and Bronze credits.

Major "BCS" Bowls would be used in the Gold Tournament's semis and NCG as currently, with the 4 other non-semi BCS bowls getting the best of the first and second round Gold Tourney losers.

Pretty elaborate. I'd be fine if we just went to an 8 team playoff where the 5 P-5 champs were AQ and the top G5 champ was AQ. There would be two wild card slots that would place the top two non-champs (or indys) into the playoff. This way the regular season means something because the regular season championships mean something (unlike basketball). Even if there are CCG upsets, the top two teams in the country will ALWAYS be included. Finally, there is a guaranteed path for the G5 schools to make the playoff (you don't exclude 50% of the schools on day one based entirely on conference affiliation--or lack there of).

(08-17-2014 01:47 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 01:36 PM)DowdyPirate Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 12:54 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 12:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  They already do. It's FCS.

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Beat me to it.

But the OP wants the same for FBS.

Problem with that is it's hypocritical to say 'fcs (also D1 NCAA) teams can't be in "OUR" NCAA-D1 football championship tournament'.

Football being weekly, not almost daily like basketball and baseball, precludes us from including all conference champs plus a few worthy at-larges.....unless, what? We shorten the regular season to 8 games???

In order to include all 23(?) NCAA-D1 (football) conference champs, we could do Gold, Silver, and Bronze post season tournaments.

Gold tournament would get 60% of the entire playoff money....Silver = 30%....Bronze = 10%.

Each of the three tournaments would have 6 to 8 auto bids being the conference champ of the top 6 to 8 conferences each end of season per the committee going to the Gold Touney (+ enough at-larges to make 16). The next 6 to 8 strongest conferences' champs (+ at-larges for 16) to the Silver....the remaining bottom 7 to 11 conferences' champs (+ to 16) to the Bronze.....at-larges would be per committee aided strongly by an RPI system like in basketball.


Back to the 60/30/10%.....

Say the entire playoff revenue pot for all 3 tournaments were $100 million (very lowball est)....

$60MM to Gold Tourney, $30MM to Silver, and $10MM to Bronze....will be dispersed in each tourney like basketball credits except each conference would earn 3 different sets of credits over a rolling 6-year period: Gold, Silver and Bronze credits.

Major "BCS" Bowls would be used in the Gold Tournament's semis and NCG as currently, with the 4 other non-semi BCS bowls getting the best of the first and second round Gold Tourney losers.

Except they can if they just move up. No need for a gold, silver bronze

"They" being FCS?....then same applies to the G5 concerning any NCAA FBS Tournament the OP is suggesting.

If there is an FBS NCAA Tournament, on top of your 'just move up' requirement, then in most years, 16 out of the 16 teams in this FBS level tourney would be from P5 still....with a long shot of just 1 G5 getting in 1 out of 10 years due to the 'just move up' provision.

Except you can move up to the FBS if you fill out the paperwork and win. You have much less chance to move up to the P5 form the G5.

(08-17-2014 01:58 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 12:54 PM)fresnofanatic Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 12:25 PM)Kruciff Wrote:  They already do. It's FCS.

Posted from my mobile device using the CSNbbs App

Beat me to it.

But the OP wants the same for FBS.

Problem with that is it's hypocritical to say 'fcs (also D1 NCAA) teams can't be in "OUR" NCAA-D1 football championship tournament'.

Football being weekly, not almost daily like basketball and baseball, precludes us from including all conference champs plus a few worthy at-larges.....unless, what? We shorten the regular season to 8 games???

In order to include all 23(?) NCAA-D1 (football) conference champs, we could do Gold, Silver, and Bronze post season tournaments.

Gold tournament would get 60% of the entire playoff money....Silver = 30%....Bronze = 10%.

Each of the three tournaments would have 6 to 8 auto bids being the conference champ of the top 6 to 8 conferences each end of season per the committee going to the Gold Touney (+ enough at-larges to make 16). The next 6 to 8 strongest conferences' champs (+ at-larges for 16) to the Silver....the remaining bottom 7 to 11 conferences' champs (+ to 16) to the Bronze.....at-larges would be per committee aided strongly by an RPI system like in basketball.


Back to the 60/30/10%.....

Say the entire playoff revenue pot for all 3 tournaments were $100 million (very lowball est)....

$60MM to Gold Tourney, $30MM to Silver, and $10MM to Bronze....will be dispersed in each tourney like basketball credits except each conference would earn 3 different sets of credits over a rolling 6-year period: Gold, Silver and Bronze credits.

Major "BCS" Bowls would be used in the Gold Tournament's semis and NCG as currently, with the 4 other non-semi BCS bowls getting the best of the first and second round Gold Tourney losers.

Pretty elaborate. I'd be fine if we just went to an 8 team playoff where the 5 P-5 champs were AQ and the top G5 champ was AQ. There would be two wild card slots that would place the top two non-champs (or indys) into the playoff. This way the regular season means something because the regular season championships mean something (unlike basketball). Even if there are CCG upsets, the top two teams in the country will ALWAYS be included. Finally, there is a guaranteed path for the G5 schools to make the playoff (you don't exclude 50% of the schools on day one based entirely on conference affiliation--or lack there of).

I like your angle. Just extremely unlikely - but tad more likely than my gold/silver/bronze or OP's FBS-16 - that it's pre-decided that the best G5 champ gets auto bid over #3 at-large in an 8-team playoff....unless top G5 is in the top 6 or better in all the major polls. Then "maybe" committee selects that G5 as the #3 at-large....but definately won't be a rule for G5 AQ/auto bid.