until the gazans eject hamas from their territory, the gazans deserve what they get.

You are entitled to your own opinions. Not your own facts.

I guess those missiles are launching themselves into israel.

(08-17-2014 08:24 PM)EagleRockCafe Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 08:08 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-17-2014 07:31 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Palestinians elected Hamas as their ruling government???????????


Check your facts....... Fatah was elected as a Unity Govt. Hamas's influence was ebbing.

Just admit that you really really REALLY hate Jews, and we can all move along from this. Or, continue to support terror groups while pretending to be shrouded in a cloak of "tolerance". Your choice.

He is an anti-semite that hates Jews with a passion. Not hard to understand that fact.

Yeah, I've read enough of his posts to understand he's a raging anti-semite. I was trying to be "diplomatic".

The IDF took out the cement and cinder block plants. No more tunnel building for quite a while.

(08-17-2014 08:43 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  You are entitled to your own opinions. Not your own facts.

So you say

Quote:They needed something to show that they were still players. Netanyahu gave it to them.

So it was Netanyahu who killed the Israeli teenage children and it was Netanyahu who launched the rockets and it was Netanyahu who built the terror tunnels.

You too are entitled to your own opinion. Not your own facts. Clearly you hate jews so much everything you utter is tainted by that hatred. Your facts are lies.

If you do not want peace then there should be no place for you in the
area. Enough is enough.

(08-17-2014 12:13 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  It's you dypshyts that equate Hamas with all Palestinians. Hamas's power was collapsing. The actions of the Israelis these past two months only strengthen Hamas.

Fuken think!!!! For Once!!!!

Will these actions strengthen or hinder Hamas..........

Carry that water. Please cite your source for that ridiculous claim...

(08-17-2014 01:40 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Hamas was on the ropes. Almost knocked out. This bombing campaign played right into their hands.

How was Hamas almost knocked out if they were building an extensive tunnel network?

(08-17-2014 01:40 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Hamas was on the ropes. Almost knocked out. This bombing campaign played right into their hands.

I think you should move there, just to see how long they'd let you live.

(08-17-2014 07:31 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Palestinians elected Hamas as their ruling government???????????
Check your facts....... Fatah was elected as a Unity Govt. Hamas's influence was ebbing.

Not exactly. I think I've read the same articles, and I think you are misreading them a bit.

One problem (of many) with the two-state solution is that one of the two states is in two separate pieces that can't get along with each other. Fatah has been the consistent choice on the West Bank. Hamas took power in Gaza some time back. The unity government was an attempt to address that situation. I've seen nothing to indicate that Hamas is losing significant influence in Gaza. It's never really had much on the West Bank.

All I know is when you look outside the American Media things are painted quite a bit differently. Unfortunately we have some very closed minded people in this thread who would never think about looking for a viewpoint outside of their "trusted" news sources.

So in review. Hamas was losing influence being replaced by an "elected" Unity Govt headed by Fatah.

(08-18-2014 09:06 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All I know is when you look outside the American Media things are painted quite a bit differently. Unfortunately we have some very closed minded people in this thread who would never think about looking for a viewpoint outside of their "trusted" news sources.

So in review. Hamas was losing influence being replaced by an "elected" Unity Govt headed by Fatah.

Reading and reciting propaganda doesn't make you smarter. Fortunately, there are people who see through the propaganda. This conflict is not a Rorschach test. There are undisputed facts even if you refuse to acknowledge them.

Your view of the facts, since you blame Netanyahu.

Quote:So it was Netanyahu who killed the Israeli teenage children and it was Netanyahu who launched the rockets and it was Netanyahu who built the terror tunnels.

You too are entitled to your own opinion. Not your own facts. Clearly you hate jews so much everything you utter is tainted by that hatred. Your facts are lies.

I will concede this point. It's such a screwed up area. I can't imagine living in such circumstances. The Israelis are in a constant state of war. In my opinion it would benefit them greatly if they looked at the needs of their opposition more. They use too heavy of a hand. That's my perception at least but I don't live there. I have my opinions but I am willing to keep an open mind about both sides. I honestly think blood is on both sides hands. No innocents in leadership over there. They need a MLK or a Ghandi. The Palestinians will never see peace through the means of a sword.

(08-18-2014 11:09 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I will concede this point. It's such a screwed up area. I can't imagine living in such circumstances. The Israelis are in a constant state of war. In my opinion it would benefit them greatly if they looked at the needs of their opposition more. They use too heavy of a hand. That's my perception at least but I don't live there. I have my opinions but I am willing to keep an open mind about both sides. I honestly think blood is on both sides hands. No innocents in leadership over there. They need a MLK or a Ghandi. The Palestinians will never see peace through the means of a sword.

If Israel were not in a constant state of war, they would be in a perpetual state of non-existence. Consider the needs of their opponents? Their opponents have one need--to eliminate Israel. How exactly should they consider that need?

As for the coalition government, I don't think you understand. Hamas controls Gaza, Fatah controls the West Bank. The two have historically not gotten along, which has been one huge barrier (of many) to the two-state solution. The coalition is an attempt to work out a resolution. But Hamas hasn't surrendered anything in Gaza, nor Fatah on the West Bank. What you're saying is equivalent to saying something like republican influence is waning in some hard-core red state because Obama is in the White House. Or maybe even more like republican influence is waning in some hard core red state if Obama asked John Boehner to replace Joe Biden.

(08-18-2014 09:06 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  All I know is when you look outside the American Media things are painted quite a bit differently. Unfortunately we have some very closed minded people in this thread who would never think about looking for a viewpoint outside of their "trusted" news sources.

So in review. Hamas was losing influence being replaced by an "elected" Unity Govt headed by Fatah.

Which you have proven time and again isn't much or from the pages of EI, with an occasional BBC, not the most unbiased source either, for good measure. You fail to mention that anti Semitism is on the rise if not the norm in most European countries. Therefore, your 'unbiased' European sources are anything but. You fail to provide any other solution than simple minded pablum lifted from what you read, most certainly not experience.
So you are either willfully ignorant, willfully secretive in your disdain for the Jewish State or a troll on this topic. I disagree with OWL's solution to the issue, but by reading his posts you know that it is well thought out and reasoned. Not some over reactionary chicken little screed. And we can both respectfully disagree without denigrating each other. It's obviously a foreign concept to you.

Hamas was just busy stockpiling thousands of rockets and
building dozens of tunnels.

(08-18-2014 12:18 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  As for the coalition government, I don't think you understand. Hamas controls Gaza, Fatah controls the West Bank. The two have historically not gotten along, which has been one huge barrier (of many) to the two-state solution. The coalition is an attempt to work out a resolution. But Hamas hasn't surrendered anything in Gaza, nor Fatah on the West Bank. What you're saying is equivalent to saying something like republican influence is waning in some hard-core red state because Obama is in the White House. Or maybe even more like republican influence is waning in some hard core red state if Obama asked John Boehner to replace Joe Biden.

Hamas is enjoying unprecedented popularity in the West Bank whilst sacrificing hundreds of MLKs and Ghandis (Hamas would gladly martyr as many MLKs and Ghandis as would take up the mantle with a bullet to the back of the head if they got in the way of their goals).

Meanwhile, in Gaza, Fatah are under house arrest and getting kneecapped if they as much as open the door...

Hundreds of Fatah members under Hamas house arrest in Gaza | The Times of Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/hundreds-of...t-in-gaza/ Wrote:Lashin, known as Abu Hassan, opened the door to discover some 20 masked men armed with rifles. When he asked the men what they wanted, one gunman stepped out of the group and promptly fired a shot at Lashin’s right thigh, and then two more at his left thigh, shattering the bone.
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One Fatah official, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisal against his party members in Gaza, told The Times of Israel on Sunday that as many as 250 Fatah members in the Strip have been told by Hamas to stay home throughout Operation Protective Edge, and as many as 125 were shot at by Hamas operatives when they refused to comply. Ten victims of gunshots to the legs have been transferred to hospitals in Ramallah and Nablus in the West Bank, he added.
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In January 2014, as part of his movement’s reconciliation efforts with Fatah, Hamas prime minister Ismail Haniyeh declared that Fatah members could return to Gaza.