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Despite this, I still think ND makes a decent Bowl.
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(08-15-2014 01:27 PM)lofi Wrote:  Congrats to the Notre Dame admin for doing the right thing.
It's not something you see too often these days.

All this means is the ND AD was trying to get ahead of the story.
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RE: Looks like ND will expel four starters for academic "inproprieties"
(08-15-2014 01:15 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 12:59 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Another academic issue at ND????

First your QB from the undefeated season.

Then, Grant...probably the best basketball player.

Now this...???

What is going on???

We take academics seriously?

So cheating is okay because you take academics seriously????

Cheating is going to happen. It's always happened.

What matters is how the school responds when it happens.
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This is the tip of the iceberg.
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Re: RE: Looks like ND will expel four starters for academic "inproprieties"
(08-15-2014 01:19 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:18 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:15 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 12:59 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  Another academic issue at ND????

First your QB from the undefeated season.

Then, Grant...probably the best basketball player.

Now this...???

What is going on???

We take academics seriously?

So cheating is okay because you take academics seriously????

No, that's why they're gone.

The AD should be gone too!! This is an epidemic!

Are you stupid? A school official reported helping students cheat, not just Football players, this has nothing to do with the sports side other than Notre Dame doing the lame duck NCAA's job because its a respectable university (unlike Chapel Hole). Notre Dame is stripping their own wins and expelling student-athletes over this, for you to give them grief and **** over this just shows how dumb you must be. Congrats to my rivals in South Bend for doing what's right, I wish more schools would do this.

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Notre Dame has done the right thing, most would not.

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(08-15-2014 06:59 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:19 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:18 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:15 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:09 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  We take academics seriously?

So cheating is okay because you take academics seriously????

No, that's why they're gone.

The AD should be gone too!! This is an epidemic!

Are you stupid? A school official reported helping students cheat, not just Football players, this has nothing to do with the sports side other than Notre Dame doing the lame duck NCAA's job because its a respectable university (unlike Chapel Hole). Notre Dame is stripping their own wins and expelling student-athletes over this, for you to give them grief and **** over this just shows how dumb you must be. Congrats to my rivals in South Bend for doing what's right, I wish more schools would do this.

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Three years in a row of academic scandals at that school!!! Someone's got to be responsible for this mess!!!!!!04-cheers
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Re: RE: Looks like ND will expel four starters for academic "inproprieties"
(08-15-2014 07:43 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 06:59 PM)DexterDevil Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:19 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:18 PM)domer1978 Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:15 PM)Cali_Cat Wrote:  So cheating is okay because you take academics seriously????

No, that's why they're gone.

The AD should be gone too!! This is an epidemic!

Are you stupid? A school official reported helping students cheat, not just Football players, this has nothing to do with the sports side other than Notre Dame doing the lame duck NCAA's job because its a respectable university (unlike Chapel Hole). Notre Dame is stripping their own wins and expelling student-athletes over this, for you to give them grief and **** over this just shows how dumb you must be. Congrats to my rivals in South Bend for doing what's right, I wish more schools would do this.

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Three years in a row of academic scandals at that school!!! Someone's got to be responsible for this mess!!!!!!04-cheers

Yeah... the school official that helped them cheat and then told the school... now if info came out that higher officials or the athletic department knew this was going on then you'd have an argument that this isn't enough, but the fact that they are doing more about this than most FBS schools would is respectable and commendable, they aren't just expelling and releasing all involved, they are going to vacate wins and achievements that pertain to these players (that could include going to the BCS national title game). These Catholics are my rivals in football and religion but I respect how they are handling this and announcing the wrong doings that happened at their school.

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(08-15-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:27 PM)lofi Wrote:  Congrats to the Notre Dame admin for doing the right thing.
It's not something you see too often these days.

All this means is the ND AD was trying to get ahead of the story.
You're probably right.
Perhaps it would be best to withhold judgment one way or the other until Notre Dame does something besides just holding these players out of practice.
I would bet they won't be with the team by the opening (Rice) game.
It would be very telling if they are playing in game two with Michigan.
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(08-16-2014 07:40 AM)lofi Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 01:27 PM)lofi Wrote:  Congrats to the Notre Dame admin for doing the right thing.
It's not something you see too often these days.

All this means is the ND AD was trying to get ahead of the story.
You're probably right.
Perhaps it would be best to withhold judgment one way or the other until Notre Dame does something besides just holding these players out of practice.
I would bet they won't be with the team by the opening (Rice) game.
It would be very telling if they are playing in game two with Michigan.







NOTRE DAME, Ind. - University President Rev. John I. Jenkins and Vice President/Director of Athletics Jack Swarbrick served as the faces representing Notre Dame in the announcement of an administrative investigation into suspicions of academic dishonesty by four current Irish football players.

Until a full investigation is completed, KeiVarae Russell, DaVaris Daniels, Ishaq Williams and Kendall Moore will be held out of practice and game competition, a proclamation that came 15 days prior to the first game of the 2014 season.

"Integrity is at the heart of our mission as a university," said Jenkins in his introductory statement. "Academic dishonesty strikes at that heart. Academic misconduct has no place at a university."

Jenkins said there was evidence that the four football players submitted papers and homework that had been written for them by others, which was initially detected at the end of the summer session and referred to the compliance office in athletics on July 29, which then precipitated an immediate investigation by the Office of General Counsel.

Jenkins was quick to point out that the student-athletes have not been declared guilty of wrongdoing.

"Let me emphasize something: At this juncture, no one has been judged responsible for academic dishonesty," Jenkins said. "No one has been dismissed from the university and no sanctions have been imposed or no judgment has been made yet."

Asked if the players had been suspended, Swarbrick said, "No. They remain students at the university, they remain grant-in-aid students, and they continue to have the benefits of being a grant-in-aid student."

Jenkins and Swarbrick also defended Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly, who was first informed of the situation on Thursday, Aug. 14.

"I want to say right now that I have great confidence in Brian and his staff, and they have been nothing but supportive and helpful in our investigation," Jenkins said.

"There is no evidence that Brian Kelly and his coaches knew about this. The same way with the academic staff. Once an academic staff member had suspicions, it was immediately brought to our attention."

Swarbrick described Kelly's reaction to the news.

"Like all of us, he was devastated," Swarbrick said. "But he was also quick to understand the process and how he and his staff could be of assistance in the process, so that was quickly the focus of the discussion."

Jenkins said there was no timetable for a resolution.

"We'll go as quickly as we can, but our emphasis will be on thoroughness," Jenkins said. "We'll take as long as it takes to have a thorough and fair investigation through our honor code process."

While the University is determined to get to the bottom of the situation and that academic dishonesty will not be tolerated, Swarbrick sees the purported improprieties by the student-athletes as the exception to the rule at Notre Dame.

"For every misstep, we have hundreds of stories of young people coming here and succeeding and taking full advantage of the (Notre Dame) opportunity," Swarbrick said. "So we know it works."



https://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1670630
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(08-16-2014 07:41 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(08-16-2014 07:40 AM)lofi Wrote:  
(08-15-2014 03:36 PM)FloridaJag Wrote:  [quote='lofi' pid='10996595' dateline='1408127270']
Congrats to the Notre Dame admin for doing the right thing.
It's not something you see too often these days.

All this means is the ND AD was trying to get ahead of the story.
You're probably right.
Perhaps it would be best to withhold judgment one way or the other until Notre Dame does something besides just holding these players out of practice.
I would bet they won't be with the team by the opening (Rice) game.
It would be very telling if they are playing in game two with Michigan.
[/quote







NOTRE DAME, Ind. - University President Rev. John I. Jenkins and Vice President/Director of Athletics Jack Swarbrick served as the faces representing Notre Dame in the announcement of an administrative investigation into suspicions of academic dishonesty by four current Irish football players.

Until a full investigation is completed, KeiVarae Russell, DaVaris Daniels, Ishaq Williams and Kendall Moore will be held out of practice and game competition, a proclamation that came 15 days prior to the first game of the 2014 season.

"Integrity is at the heart of our mission as a university," said Jenkins in his introductory statement. "Academic dishonesty strikes at that heart. Academic misconduct has no place at a university."

Jenkins said there was evidence that the four football players submitted papers and homework that had been written for them by others, which was initially detected at the end of the summer session and referred to the compliance office in athletics on July 29, which then precipitated an immediate investigation by the Office of General Counsel.

Jenkins was quick to point out that the student-athletes have not been declared guilty of wrongdoing.

"Let me emphasize something: At this juncture, no one has been judged responsible for academic dishonesty," Jenkins said. "No one has been dismissed from the university and no sanctions have been imposed or no judgment has been made yet."

Asked if the players had been suspended, Swarbrick said, "No. They remain students at the university, they remain grant-in-aid students, and they continue to have the benefits of being a grant-in-aid student."

Jenkins and Swarbrick also defended Notre Dame head coach Brian Kelly, who was first informed of the situation on Thursday, Aug. 14.

"I want to say right now that I have great confidence in Brian and his staff, and they have been nothing but supportive and helpful in our investigation," Jenkins said.

"There is no evidence that Brian Kelly and his coaches knew about this. The same way with the academic staff. Once an academic staff member had suspicions, it was immediately brought to our attention."

Swarbrick described Kelly's reaction to the news.

"Like all of us, he was devastated," Swarbrick said. "But he was also quick to understand the process and how he and his staff could be of assistance in the process, so that was quickly the focus of the discussion."

Jenkins said there was no timetable for a resolution.

"We'll go as quickly as we can, but our emphasis will be on thoroughness," Jenkins said. "We'll take as long as it takes to have a thorough and fair investigation through our honor code process."

While the University is determined to get to the bottom of the situation and that academic dishonesty will not be tolerated, Swarbrick sees the purported improprieties by the student-athletes as the exception to the rule at Notre Dame.

"For every misstep, we have hundreds of stories of young people coming here and succeeding and taking full advantage of the (Notre Dame) opportunity," Swarbrick said. "So we know it works."



https://notredame.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1670630

Thanks for the info. It certainly sounds like Notre Dame is going to do the right thing.
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The NCAA won't do ****. At least ND did the right thing themselves.
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(08-16-2014 10:36 AM)BoiseStateOfMind Wrote:  The NCAA won't do ****. At least ND did the right thing themselves.

Why should the NCAA do anything? Did ND break any NCAA rules?
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It's amazing how many trolls come out of the woodwork whenever a national powerhouse actually does the right thing.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball...own-papers



Quote:The source said emails involving a mutual friend of the players are believed to be a part of the investigation, possibly with correspondence over editing help. Daniels will likely make the case he sought editing help for punctuation but wrote the work himself.
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(08-15-2014 01:23 PM)Dasville Wrote:  This kind of thing doesn't happen in the SEC! props to ND for doing what others won't!
You mean like North Carolina? That's ACC. You know, the conference ya'll just joined.
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Quote:The source said emails involving a mutual friend of the players are believed to be a part of the investigation, possibly with correspondence over editing help. Daniels will likely make the case he sought editing help for punctuation but wrote the work himself.

Was this "mutual friend" named Lennay Kekua?
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Why are people bringing up the NCAA for? It appears that ND will impose harsher sanctions on themselves than the NCAA would ever consider. At least Notre Dame has the balls to consider the options they may be considering.
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(08-16-2014 11:04 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  It's amazing how many trolls come out of the woodwork whenever a national powerhouse actually does the right thing.

What??? This isn't a first time occurrence. Notre Dame has now had some sort of academic issue where players are suspended for an entire year...THREE years in a row.

Where is the accountability among university officials?? The AD should consider himself lucky to not be fired!!!
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