(08-14-2014 09:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 07:17 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 04:32 PM)BruceMcF Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 03:52 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I don't like the FCS games, but at least we play FCS schools from in-state so there is at least a chance of ticket sales and local interest, and it benefits the schools in your state. I don't understand why programs import FCS schools from outside their state or neighboring states to play these games.

Seems likely to be that its an extra home game with a smaller guarantee than required for a Go5 buy game.

Of course, thats less of an issue in Ohio, since we have eight FBS schools and only one FCS school.

In 1936 the Southern Conference added schools in addition to VT, UVa, Clemson, South Carolina, NC State, WF, MD, and Duke. The schools were Richmond, William & Mary, Citadel, Davidson, Furman, and George Washington. When the ACC schools left over football issues, most ACC schools continued to play these other SoCon schools for many, many years - that's the connection.

Great story except for the fact that UNC played Richmond twice, The Citadel once, and never played Furman as a SoCon game.

Also, George Washington was not admitted to the SoCon in 1936. They joined in 1941. The schools that joined in 1936 were The Citadel, Davidson, Furman, Wake Forest, and William & Mary.

Quote:However if you are a NC school and you are going to play an FCS school, do you get more mileage out playing Western Carolina, or Furman, or Richmond. If you are in NC, your game gets the same coverage in NC that it always gets, if you play Furman or Richmond, you might get a little coverage on page 2 or on the third nightly sports news story in Greenville/Spartanburg, or Richmond.

Both the Richmond and Greenville newspapers, radio, and TV cover ACC sports on far greater basis than the typical small amount of coverage they give the FCS teams. Any gained coverage is minimal at best. If the NC schools desire greater coverage in these areas they should quit being mediocre and they'll get more coverage.

Kaploney - I don't know where you get your information but GW joined the SoCon in 1936 and stayed until 1970. http://www.soconsports.com/fls/4000/soco...EM_ID=4000

Funny - the SoCon's own records say they were added in 1936, but they don't show up in the basketball standings until 1941 - very odd:

1931-32 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppMaryland 9 1 16 4 689 494Kentucky 9 1 15 2 743 456Auburn 9 2 12 3 506 431Alabama 11 3 16 4 584 444North Carolina 6 3 16 5 678 517Virginia 6 3 13 8 555 505Georgia 7 4 19 7 589 657Georgia Tech 5 3 7 6 470 402Mississippi 8 5 9 6 558 481North Carolina State 6 4 10 6 403 340Duke 6 5 14 11 720 666Louisiana State 8 8 11 9 673 625Tennessee 5 5 8 7 405 398South Carolina 2 2 9 7 445 416Vanderbilt 5 7 8 11 570 644Mississippi State 4 7 5 10 377 462Tulane 5 9 N/AFlorida 4 10 8 12 640 606Washington & Lee 3 8 9 10 487 492Virginia Tech 2 8 8 9 406 452Clemson 2 9 8 12 508 537University of South 1 7 3 9 323 401VMI 0 9 0 14 289 458

1932-33 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppSouth Carolina 3 0 17 2 828 539Duke 7 3 16 6 764 627Maryland 7 3 11 9 658 646North Carolina State 6 3 11 8 633 539North Carolina 5 3 12 5 651 494Virginia 5 3 12 6 620 481Virginia Tech 3 7 5 10 425 545VMI 2 8 4 11 372 496Washington & Lee 1 8 6 10 573 563Clemson 0 1 10 9 597 579

1933-34 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppSouth Carolina 6 0 18 1 857 501North Carolina 12 2 18 4 730 528Maryland 6 1 11 8 620 589Duke 9 4 18 6 828 633North Carolina State 6 5 11 6 590 509Washington & Lee 4 5 10 6 541 515VMI 3 6 4 10 335 452Virginia 1 9 7 11 565 495Virginia Tech 1 10 1 15 381 599Clemson 0 6 7 12 505 578

1934-35 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina 12 1 23 2 828 606Clemson 3 1 15 3 661 464Duke 10 4 18 8 866 758Virginia 7 5 13 9 704 614Maryland 4 3 8 10 622 611North Carolina State 6 5 10 9 607 581South Carolina 5 7 15 9 812 692Washington & Lee 4 8 10 10 661 587VMI 2 9 3 14 448 576Virginia Tech 1 11 3 16 421 639

1935-36 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppWashington & Lee 10 1 18 2 829 587North Carolina 13 3 21 4 887 720North Carolina State 10 3 15 4 724 565Maryland 4 3 14 6 812 709Clemson 5 5 15 7 749 637Duke 4 5 20 6 1070 777Virginia 4 8 11 13 764 898South Carolina 1 6 10 8 600 614Virginia Tech 1 9 5 17 617 768VMI 0 10 3 14 570 738

1936-37 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppWashington & Lee 11 1 17 4 876 585North Carolina 14 3 18 5 864 671Wake Forest 9 4 15 6 789 663North Carolina State 14 7 15 9 925 739Duke 11 6 15 8 812 728South Carolina 7 4 13 7 689 631Richmond 5 4 13 7 704 572Virginia 6 7 9 10 569 567Furman 3 4 8 7 472 479Maryland 5 8 8 12 746 734Davidson 5 8 13 10 871 815VMI 5 11 6 11 571 658Virginia Tech 4 9 6 11 461 617Clemson 2 7 6 15 643 765The Citadel 0 5 7 12 586 629William & Mary 0 13 0 18 444 808

1937-38 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina 13 3 16 5 828 670North Carolina State 10 3 13 6 720 661The Citadel 7 3 13 5 664 578Clemson 9 4 16 7 916 771Duke 9 5 15 9 854 826Richmond 7 4 15 5 670 560Maryland 6 4 15 9 939 839Washington & Lee 6 5 12 9 770 653Wake Forest 7 8 7 12 744 756Virginia Tech 4 5 6 8 438 467Davidson 4 11 9 12 832 747Furman 2 6 6 12 N/A N/AVMI 2 7 4 11 414 511South Carolina 2 12 3 21 701 954William & Mary 0 8 2 10 372 499

1938-39 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppWake Forest 15 3 18 6 1183 971Washington & Lee 8 3 13 9 997 844Maryland 8 3 15 9 963 874The Citadel 7 3 14 5 791 713Davidson 9 7 19 9 1208 1050North Carolina State 7 6 10 7 641 613North Carolina 8 7 10 11 817 804Duke 8 8 10 12 886 857Clemson 6 6 16 8 953 824VMI 6 6 7 10 600 664Richmond 5 5 10 10 648 681William & Mary 4 9 9 10 814 788South Carolina 2 8 5 18 716 896Virginia Tech 2 10 3 14 546 789Furman 0 10 6 16 783 968

1939-40 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppDuke 13 2 19 7 1075 922North Carolina 11 2 23 3 1210 934Washington & Lee 7 3 13 5 666 557Wake Forest 10 5 13 9 990 821Maryland 7 5 14 9 897 821Clemson 9 7 9 12 853 844Richmond 5 4 10 6 549 477The Citadel 6 5 8 9 593 627William & Mary 6 5 12 11 950 885Furman 4 6 11 11 833 864North Carolina State 5 10 8 11 657 794Davidson 4 11 8 13 790 934South Carolina 3 10 5 13 586 708VMI 2 9 3 12 461 590Virginia Tech 1 9 3 16 599 784

1940-41 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina 14 1 19 9 1336 1050William & Mary 8 3 15 10 1112 1043South Carolina 8 3 15 9 975 905Washington & Lee 9 4 11 11 794 694Duke 8 4 14 8 932 800VMI 8 4 10 6 625 595Richmond 7 5 11 10 730 737Wake Forest 7 6 9 9 805 802Clemson 7 8 8 14 1035 1130Davidson 5 7 11 12 1041 1033North Carolina State 6 9 6 9 584 691Virginia Tech 4 8 8 13 906 899The Citadel 1 8 6 12 788 872Furman 1 10 4 13 609 733Maryland 0 13 1 21 664 1040

1941-42 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppDuke 15 1 22 2 1263 966George Washington 8 3 11 9 923 709Wake Forest 13 5 16 8 1076 1010North Carolina State 9 4 15 7 1059 917South Carolina 8 4 12 9 896 863William & Mary 8 4 15 9 1000 908North Carolina 9 5 14 9 941 789Washington & Lee 7 7 7 10 N/A N/AFurman 7 8 10 9 721 778VMI 5 9 7 11 711 727Richmond 4 8 9 9 667 681Virginia Tech 4 8 10 10 862 815Maryland 3 8 7 15 802 956Davidson 3 8 12 13 914 1017Clemson 2 10 3 14 598 829The Citadel 1 12 2 14 567 719

1942-43 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppDuke 12 1 20 6 1404 1201George Washington 8 2 17 6 1123 1005South Carolina 6 3 12 6 747 697Davidson 7 4 18 6 1198 1005The Citadel 5 3 8 6 648 561William & Mary 6 4 11 10 887 915VMI 7 5 8 8 623 633North Carolina State 7 5 7 9 707 702Maryland 5 5 8 8 717 671Richmond 4 4 11 5 632 624North Carolina 8 9 12 10 894 831Virginia Tech 3 6 7 7 612 615Washington & Lee 2 10 7 12 767 817Wake Forest 1 10 1 10 427 525Clemson 0 10 3 13 624 793

1943-44 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina 9 1 17 10 1173 1020Virginia Tech 4 1 11 4 623 506Duke 4 2 13 13 1214 1120Maryland 2 1 4 14 562 918Richmond 2 2 7 6 625 603Davidson 3 4 16 7 1088 867Clemson 1 2 1 10 376 547South Carolina 1 2 12 2 890 599North Carolina State 2 5 5 13 637 812William & Mary 1 3 10 11 947 959The Citadel 0 1 2 3 177 165VMI 0 5 0 14 380 620

1944-45 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppSouth Carolina 9 0 19 3 1271 751Richmond 2 0 3 4 327 307Duke 6 1 14 8 1055 929North Carolina 11 3 22 6 1483 994The Citadel 8 4 16 7 1138 933North Carolina State 7 5 10 11 841 841William & Mary 3 4 8 12 935 844Clemson 3 5 8 8 625 665Maryland 2 5 2 14 570 808Virginia Tech 1 3 6 8 565 601Davidson 2 7 9 9 671 861VMI 1 4 2 10 355 531Wake Forest 0 6 3 14 626 951Furman 0 8 2 15 607 795

1945-46 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina 13 1 30 5 1944 1349Duke 12 2 21 6 1284 1036Virginia Tech 7 3 12 8 N/A N/AWake Forest 8 5 12 6 747 718Maryland 5 4 9 12 794 908William & Mary 5 5 10 10 935 834Furman 4 4 16 3 911 757George Washington 4 5 5 9 N/A N/ANorth Carolina State 5 7 6 12 703 881Clemson 5 7 9 11 922 878South Carolina 4 7 9 11 931 891Davidson 5 9 13 12 1069 1075Richmond 3 7 8 12 728 768The Citadel 1 6 7 11 744 862VMI 1 6 1 10 285 519Washington & Lee 0 4 2 11 N/A N/A

1946-47 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina State 11 2 26 5 1866 1435North Carolina 10 2 19 8 1433 1250Duke 10 4 19 8 1461 1301George Washington 9 4 21 7 1600 1318Maryland 9 5 14 10 1201 1276Richmond 8 5 17 9 1344 1252South Carolina 7 5 17 8 1364 1199Washington & Lee 7 6 16 7 1504 1177William & Mary 6 6 14 12 1299 1229Davidson 7 7 17 8 1500 1199Wake Forest 8 9 11 13 1174 1219Furman 5 7 9 10 961 950Virginia Tech 4 9 13 13 1318 1285Clemson 2 12 7 13 1014 1205VMI 1 11 4 15 934 1091The Citadel 1 11 5 11 734 902

1947-48 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina State 12 0 29 3 2409 1511George Washington 13 3 19 7 1504 1268North Carolina 11 4 20 7 1454 1219Maryland 9 6 11 14 1339 1400Davidson 10 7 19 9 1604 1375Virginia Tech 7 5 14 9 1205 1128Duke 8 6 17 12 1573 1463Wake Forest 8 7 18 11 1678 1527William & Mary 8 7 13 10 1233 1142South Carolina 8 7 12 11 1334 1268Washington & Lee 5 9 7 16 1234 1414The Citadel 4 8 8 9 826 878Richmond 4 9 8 14 1182 1217Furman 3 10 11 15 1409 1610Clemson 3 14 6 17 1257 1397VMI 1 12 3 17 941

-49 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina State 14 1 25 8 2051 1580William & Mary 10 3 24 10 2193 1711North Carolina 13 5 20 8 1605 1484George Washington 9 4 18 8 1530 1352Davidson 11 6 18 8 1459 1265South Carolina 7 6 10 12 1250 1287Wake Forest 7 7 11 13 1287 1359Maryland 7 7 9 18 1468 1606Virginia Tech 6 8 10 13 1205 1307Duke 5 7 13 9 1177 1088Clemson 6 9 10 11 1213 1140Washington & Lee 5 9 10 12 1309 1468Richmond 5 10 8 15 N/A N/AVMI 3 8 3 16 937 1213Furman 4 11 8 14 1249 1384The Citadel 0 11 1 17 733 1035

1949-50 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina State 12 2 27 6 2156 1705William & Mary 12 4 23 9 1944 1763George Washington 12 4 17 8 1607 1508South Carolina 12 5 13 9 1219 1192North Carolina 13 6 17 12 1652 1596Virginia Tech 9 5 16 9 1618 1505Wake Forest 11 8 14 16 1717 1698Duke 9 7 15 15 1764 1740Clemson 8 8 10 10 1241 1189Davidson 6 12 10 16 1565 1616Furman 4 8 9 12 1112 1168Washington & Lee 4 9 8 12 1313 1415Maryland 5 13 7 18 1454 1521Richmond 4 13 8 16 1411 1546The Citadel 2 10 4 16 924 1224VMI 2 11 4 17 1198 1477

1950-51 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina State 13 1 30 7 2842 2377West Virginia 9 3 18 9 1985 1747Clemson 9 4 11 7 1221 1124Duke 13 6 20 13 2356 2301William & Mary 13 6 20 11 2063 1846Virginia Tech 9 5 19 10 2149 1995South Carolina 12 7 13 12 1633 1522Maryland 11 8 16 11 1413 1431North Carolina 9 8 12 15 1767 1790Wake Forest 8 9 16 14 1975 1949George Washington 8 9 12 12 1661 1711Richmond 5 10 7 14 1145 1257Washington & Lee 5 13 8 17 1307 1464Davidson 5 15 7 19 1976 1833The Citadel 2 7 7 10 1027 1103VMI 3 11 3 18 1212 1473Furman 1 13 3 20 1251 1664

1951-52 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppWest VIrginia 15 1 23 4 2172 1717North Carolina State 12 2 24 10 2331 2075Duke 13 3 24 6 2320 1989Clemson 11 4 17 7 1707 1596George Washington 12 6 15 9 1747 1688Furman 9 5 18 6 1800 1649Maryland 9 5 13 9 1245 1116William & Mary 10 6 15 13 2013 1991South Carolina 8 7 14 10 1667 1624Wake Forest 7 9 10 19 1883 2070North Carolina 8 11 12 15 1741 1794Virginia Tech 3 10 4 16 1378 1535Richmond 3 11 7 15 1434 1593Washington & Lee 3 11 6 21 N/A N/ADavidson 4 15 7 18 1593 1765VMI 2 13 3 21 1417 1795The Citadel 1 11 8 20 1715 1990

1952-53 CONFERENCE OVERALL W L W L Pts OppNorth Carolina State 13 3 26 6 2663 2132Wake Forest 12 3 22 7 2236 2004Maryland 12 3 15 8 1406 1256West Virginia 11 3 19 7 2162 1926Furman 10 3 21 6 2433 1973Duke 12 4 18 8 2180 2039Richmond 13 5 20 7 2143 1917North Carolina 15 6 17 10 2012 1877George Washington 12 6 15 7 1892 1602Clemson 6 8 8 10 1227 1269South Carolina 7 12 11 13 1664 1811William & Mary 6 13 10 13 1817 1735Virginia Tech 4 13 4 19 1547 1883Davidson 3 14 4 16 1344 1630VMI 1 14 5 19 1543 1852Washington & Lee 1 17 2 20 N/A N/AThe Citadel 0 11 4 14 1192 1441

It's possible they joined for everything but football, as in the years between 1936 and when they suspended the program in 1943 for WWII they played the following number of SoCon games:

1936 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1937 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1938 - 2 (Furman & Clemson)
1939 - 2 (The Citadel & Clemson)
1940 - 2 (Wake Forest & Washington & Lee)
1941 - 5 (Clemson, Furman, Wake Forest, Washington & Lee, William & Mary)
1942 - 6 (The Citadel, Clemson, Furman, Richmond, Wake Forest, & William & Mary)

Sure looks like 1941 was the first season they competed in the SoCon in football to me.

It's also odd that the ACC never took these records from 1933 like the Pac 5/6/8/10/12 did from the old PCAA that contained Idaho, Montana, etc.

(08-14-2014 10:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's possible they joined for everything but football, as in the years between 1936 and when they suspended the program in 1943 for WWII they played the following number of SoCon games:

1936 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1937 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1938 - 2 (Furman & Clemson)
1939 - 2 (The Citadel & Clemson)
1940 - 2 (Wake Forest & Washington & Lee)
1941 - 5 (Clemson, Furman, Wake Forest, Washington & Lee, William & Mary)
1942 - 6 (The Citadel, Clemson, Furman, Richmond, Wake Forest, & William & Mary)

Sure looks like 1941 was the first season they competed in the SoCon in football to me.

Other than baseball what would they have played for those 5 years. I've never seen a record of a SoCon action from 1940 or 41 that added anyone. Could they have been voted in in 1936 and delayed participation until 41? I suppose so. Everything I have read from a so-called official source added them in 36, then no one else until West Va., in 1950 - which addition them promptly led to the collapse of the league over football bowl games with VT's prez, the defacto commissioner, ruling Clemson and MD could not go to a bowl.

I just found a note on Washington and Lee having a cheating scandal in the early 50's and dropping football scholarships as a result. That would have been on the heels of the scandal at William & Mary a few years earlier. When UVa left the SoCon in 1936 and when they agreed to rejoing in 1953 it's in their minutes that they were concerned about UVa players having to compete with professionally paid players at UNC.

Maybe the leaving of the records from 1933 to 1953 was an effort to leave the cheating scandals behind? Funny but cheating at UCLA is what split the old PCAA apart in the 1950's.

Anyway, NC State has played the Citadel, Furman, Richmond, and Bill & Mary periodically for the last seven decades. It would seem odd to not play them from time to time, certainly they mean more to older NC State fans than Elon, Charlotte, Western Carolina, or Gardner Webb.

(08-14-2014 10:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's possible they joined for everything but football, as in the years between 1936 and when they suspended the program in 1943 for WWII they played the following number of SoCon games:

1936 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1937 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1938 - 2 (Furman & Clemson)
1939 - 2 (The Citadel & Clemson)
1940 - 2 (Wake Forest & Washington & Lee)
1941 - 5 (Clemson, Furman, Wake Forest, Washington & Lee, William & Mary)
1942 - 6 (The Citadel, Clemson, Furman, Richmond, Wake Forest, & William & Mary)

Sure looks like 1941 was the first season they competed in the SoCon in football to me.

Other than baseball what would they have played for those 5 years. I've never seen a record of a SoCon action from 1940 or 41 that added anyone. Could they have been voted in in 1936 and delayed participation until 41? I suppose so. Everything I have read from a so-called official source added them in 36, then no one else until West Va., in 1950 - which addition them promptly led to the collapse of the league over football bowl games with VT's prez, the defacto commissioner, ruling Clemson and MD could not go to a bowl.

I don't know, but unlike today scheduling games back then wasn't a multiple years in advance deal. You knew the teams you would play every year, like Clemson knowing they would open the season with Presbyterian, play South Carolina the Thursday of the State Fair, and close the season with Furman. They knew they had to fit Wake in there somewhere. Other than that you got on the phone around the first of the year and filled your schedule. So it couldn't have been scheduling conflicts like what kept Georgia Tech football from joining the ACC until 1983 while the rest of their sports joined in 1979.

(08-14-2014 11:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's possible they joined for everything but football, as in the years between 1936 and when they suspended the program in 1943 for WWII they played the following number of SoCon games:

1936 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1937 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1938 - 2 (Furman & Clemson)
1939 - 2 (The Citadel & Clemson)
1940 - 2 (Wake Forest & Washington & Lee)
1941 - 5 (Clemson, Furman, Wake Forest, Washington & Lee, William & Mary)
1942 - 6 (The Citadel, Clemson, Furman, Richmond, Wake Forest, & William & Mary)

Sure looks like 1941 was the first season they competed in the SoCon in football to me.

Other than baseball what would they have played for those 5 years. I've never seen a record of a SoCon action from 1940 or 41 that added anyone. Could they have been voted in in 1936 and delayed participation until 41? I suppose so. Everything I have read from a so-called official source added them in 36, then no one else until West Va., in 1950 - which addition them promptly led to the collapse of the league over football bowl games with VT's prez, the defacto commissioner, ruling Clemson and MD could not go to a bowl.

I don't know, but unlike today scheduling games back then wasn't a multiple years in advance deal. You knew the teams you would play every year, like Clemson knowing they would open the season with Presbyterian, play South Carolina the Thursday of the State Fair, and close the season with Furman. They knew they had to fit Wake in there somewhere. Other than that you got on the phone around the first of the year and filled your schedule. So it couldn't have been scheduling conflicts like what kept Georgia Tech football from joining the ACC until 1983 while the rest of their sports joined in 1979.

When did Big Thursday end?

(08-14-2014 11:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 11:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's possible they joined for everything but football, as in the years between 1936 and when they suspended the program in 1943 for WWII they played the following number of SoCon games:

1936 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1937 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1938 - 2 (Furman & Clemson)
1939 - 2 (The Citadel & Clemson)
1940 - 2 (Wake Forest & Washington & Lee)
1941 - 5 (Clemson, Furman, Wake Forest, Washington & Lee, William & Mary)
1942 - 6 (The Citadel, Clemson, Furman, Richmond, Wake Forest, & William & Mary)

Sure looks like 1941 was the first season they competed in the SoCon in football to me.

Other than baseball what would they have played for those 5 years. I've never seen a record of a SoCon action from 1940 or 41 that added anyone. Could they have been voted in in 1936 and delayed participation until 41? I suppose so. Everything I have read from a so-called official source added them in 36, then no one else until West Va., in 1950 - which addition them promptly led to the collapse of the league over football bowl games with VT's prez, the defacto commissioner, ruling Clemson and MD could not go to a bowl.

I don't know, but unlike today scheduling games back then wasn't a multiple years in advance deal. You knew the teams you would play every year, like Clemson knowing they would open the season with Presbyterian, play South Carolina the Thursday of the State Fair, and close the season with Furman. They knew they had to fit Wake in there somewhere. Other than that you got on the phone around the first of the year and filled your schedule. So it couldn't have been scheduling conflicts like what kept Georgia Tech football from joining the ACC until 1983 while the rest of their sports joined in 1979.

When did Big Thursday end?

1959

(08-15-2014 12:01 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 11:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 11:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:46 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  It's possible they joined for everything but football, as in the years between 1936 and when they suspended the program in 1943 for WWII they played the following number of SoCon games:

1936 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1937 - 1 (Wake Forest)
1938 - 2 (Furman & Clemson)
1939 - 2 (The Citadel & Clemson)
1940 - 2 (Wake Forest & Washington & Lee)
1941 - 5 (Clemson, Furman, Wake Forest, Washington & Lee, William & Mary)
1942 - 6 (The Citadel, Clemson, Furman, Richmond, Wake Forest, & William & Mary)

Sure looks like 1941 was the first season they competed in the SoCon in football to me.

Other than baseball what would they have played for those 5 years. I've never seen a record of a SoCon action from 1940 or 41 that added anyone. Could they have been voted in in 1936 and delayed participation until 41? I suppose so. Everything I have read from a so-called official source added them in 36, then no one else until West Va., in 1950 - which addition them promptly led to the collapse of the league over football bowl games with VT's prez, the defacto commissioner, ruling Clemson and MD could not go to a bowl.

I don't know, but unlike today scheduling games back then wasn't a multiple years in advance deal. You knew the teams you would play every year, like Clemson knowing they would open the season with Presbyterian, play South Carolina the Thursday of the State Fair, and close the season with Furman. They knew they had to fit Wake in there somewhere. Other than that you got on the phone around the first of the year and filled your schedule. So it couldn't have been scheduling conflicts like what kept Georgia Tech football from joining the ACC until 1983 while the rest of their sports joined in 1979.

When did Big Thursday end?

1959

Why end it? It was such a big deal.

(08-15-2014 12:05 AM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-15-2014 12:01 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 11:27 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 11:08 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(08-14-2014 10:50 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  Other than baseball what would they have played for those 5 years. I've never seen a record of a SoCon action from 1940 or 41 that added anyone. Could they have been voted in in 1936 and delayed participation until 41? I suppose so. Everything I have read from a so-called official source added them in 36, then no one else until West Va., in 1950 - which addition them promptly led to the collapse of the league over football bowl games with VT's prez, the defacto commissioner, ruling Clemson and MD could not go to a bowl.

I don't know, but unlike today scheduling games back then wasn't a multiple years in advance deal. You knew the teams you would play every year, like Clemson knowing they would open the season with Presbyterian, play South Carolina the Thursday of the State Fair, and close the season with Furman. They knew they had to fit Wake in there somewhere. Other than that you got on the phone around the first of the year and filled your schedule. So it couldn't have been scheduling conflicts like what kept Georgia Tech football from joining the ACC until 1983 while the rest of their sports joined in 1979.

When did Big Thursday end?

1959

Why end it? It was such a big deal.

Because we wanted a home and home so that Clemson University and the Clemson community would get benefits of the game instead of Columbia and the University of South Carolina getting all the benefits.