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(08-13-2014 07:34 AM)CatMom Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 05:31 AM)BRtransplant Wrote:  I don't think it went to OT, but we were lucky to get out of that game with a win. FCS teams beat FBS teams every year. It isn't at all unusual. FCS teams usually enter those games with something to prove while the FBS team is looking ahead. That is always a mistake. Ask Michigan.

Um, Yeah....it went into OT tied 42-42 and Tech won by 6, 48-42. A little research helps.

He's a LaTech fan. They don't need to do research. They already know so much that actually isn't so.
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It is going to be a challenge if we don't show up ready to play. The previous coaches started with either an AQ on the road where they were not expected to win or a SWAC opponent that was not really fair to schedule. Getting you butt kicked by Oregon at their place sucks but it lets you work out the kinks against a faster team than you will see all year. Beating UAPB by a million at home lets you protect the playbook and get the nerves out. Playing a motivated solid FCS team in the opener is often a recipe for disaster. We will be deeper and faster but I never discount execution.
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That weird ball can bounce all kinds of ways.
At least you are not starting out with McNeese, they
seem to be killer early in the seasons, but then really taper off.
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(08-12-2014 09:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I don't know, I'd gladly play North Dakota State just for the experience. I think we learn more from those games than we'll ever learn from UAPB. The top FCS schools can expose your major issues.

Last year we had a ton of major issues, but they never got exposed until Auburn because UAPB was so awful it didn't matter.

By my count NDSU is 7-3 against FBS opponents since 2006. Now, they didn't defeat a list of powerhouse programs (Ball St, Central Mich, K-State, Colorado St, Minnesota - twice, and Kansas) but I still wouldn't mess with them. There are easier ways to pad a schedule which would be better served by playing FBS teams.

(08-12-2014 10:48 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  What I'd like to know is why we keep scheduling Savannah State.

It's a cupcake game and their asking price is cheap.
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(08-13-2014 10:26 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 09:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I don't know, I'd gladly play North Dakota State just for the experience. I think we learn more from those games than we'll ever learn from UAPB. The top FCS schools can expose your major issues.

Last year we had a ton of major issues, but they never got exposed until Auburn because UAPB was so awful it didn't matter.

By my count NDSU is 7-3 against FBS opponents since 2006. Now, they didn't defeat a list of powerhouse programs (Ball St, Central Mich, K-State, Colorado St, Minnesota - twice, and Kansas) but I still wouldn't mess with them. There are easier ways to pad a schedule which would be better served by playing FBS teams.

(08-12-2014 10:48 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  What I'd like to know is why we keep scheduling Savannah State.

It's a cupcake game and their asking price is cheap.

Don't they also bring a pretty good crowd since they are as close as they are?
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(08-13-2014 10:26 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 09:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I don't know, I'd gladly play North Dakota State just for the experience. I think we learn more from those games than we'll ever learn from UAPB. The top FCS schools can expose your major issues.

Last year we had a ton of major issues, but they never got exposed until Auburn because UAPB was so awful it didn't matter.

By my count NDSU is 7-3 against FBS opponents since 2006. Now, they didn't defeat a list of powerhouse programs (Ball St, Central Mich, K-State, Colorado St, Minnesota - twice, and Kansas) but I still wouldn't mess with them. There are easier ways to pad a schedule which would be better served by playing FBS teams.

(08-12-2014 10:48 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  What I'd like to know is why we keep scheduling Savannah State.

It's a cupcake game and their asking price is cheap.

Yes, but we'd learn far more against NDSU than we ever would taking a free win. As long as we can win the game, which I believe we would, than why not take the chance.

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Here's the one thing I'll tell you about sportsbooks and casinos. Look at the chandeliers, look at the décor in the casinos/hotels. They're not poor, and win a lot more than they lose. If they say it's an 8 point spread, it's because they know something the average doesn't and the game will be somewhere around that. Now, if you really want to know what the true line is, wait for the smart money to come in, that will tell you what you need to know about the game.
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There are no official spreads on FCS vs FBS, right?
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(08-13-2014 10:33 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 10:26 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 09:47 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  I don't know, I'd gladly play North Dakota State just for the experience. I think we learn more from those games than we'll ever learn from UAPB. The top FCS schools can expose your major issues.

Last year we had a ton of major issues, but they never got exposed until Auburn because UAPB was so awful it didn't matter.

By my count NDSU is 7-3 against FBS opponents since 2006. Now, they didn't defeat a list of powerhouse programs (Ball St, Central Mich, K-State, Colorado St, Minnesota - twice, and Kansas) but I still wouldn't mess with them. There are easier ways to pad a schedule which would be better served by playing FBS teams.

(08-12-2014 10:48 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  What I'd like to know is why we keep scheduling Savannah State.

It's a cupcake game and their asking price is cheap.

Yes, but we'd learn far more against NDSU than we ever would taking a free win. As long as we can win the game, which I believe we would, than why not take the chance.

Football coaches would hate me as an AD.

You wouldn't last long if you scheduled like that.
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(08-13-2014 10:31 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 10:26 AM)bullitt_60 Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 10:48 PM)sarkelcpa Wrote:  What I'd like to know is why we keep scheduling Savannah State.
It's a cupcake game and their asking price is cheap.
Don't they also bring a pretty good crowd since they are as close as they are?

It's been a while since I've been to a SSU game, but a few hundred to a thousand would be my guess. Not a bad visiting crowd for FCS I guess.

(08-13-2014 10:33 AM)chiefsfan Wrote:  Yes, but we'd learn far more against NDSU than we ever would taking a free win. As long as we can win the game, which I believe we would, than why not take the chance.

Football coaches would hate me as an AD.

lol, they'd hate your guts, although I appreciate your confidence. IMO, I think your program would be better off scheduling a MAC team than NDSU.

(08-13-2014 10:40 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Here's the one thing I'll tell you about sportsbooks and casinos. Look at the chandeliers, look at the décor in the casinos/hotels. They're not poor, and win a lot more than they lose. If they say it's an 8 point spread, it's because they know something the average doesn't and the game will be somewhere around that. Now, if you really want to know what the true line is, wait for the smart money to come in, that will tell you what you need to know about the game.
If you question this, find Todd Fuhrman on Twitter, he used to run the book at the Wynn Las Vegas, and may still.

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(08-13-2014 10:41 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  There are no official spreads on FCS vs FBS, right?

Not sure what "offical" means, but you can bet these games. Been able to for a few years. Probably because of the former internet sprortsbook craze.
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(08-13-2014 10:40 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Here's the one thing I'll tell you about sportsbooks and casinos. Look at the chandeliers, look at the décor in the casinos/hotels. They're not poor, and win a lot more than they lose. If they say it's an 8 point spread, it's because they know something the average doesn't and the game will be somewhere around that. Now, if you really want to know what the true line is, wait for the smart money to come in, that will tell you what you need to know about the game.
If you question this, find Todd Fuhrman on Twitter, he used to run the book at the Wynn Las Vegas, and may still.

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(08-13-2014 08:51 AM)CatMom Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 08:45 AM)Fanof49ASU Wrote:  If Montana State has lost a lot from last year, and is still ranked in the preseason polls.....we'd better be ready.

That isn't Montana State that is ranked in the poll posted here...it's MONTANA!! 03-banghead

http://www.soconsports.com/fls/4000/soco...index.html

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnfo...5poll.aspx

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(08-13-2014 10:40 AM)Buccaneerlover Wrote:  Here's the one thing I'll tell you about sportsbooks and casinos. Look at the chandeliers, look at the décor in the casinos/hotels. They're not poor, and win a lot more than they lose. If they say it's an 8 point spread, it's because they know something the average doesn't and the game will be somewhere around that. Now, if you really want to know what the true line is, wait for the smart money to come in, that will tell you what you need to know about the game.
If you question this, find Todd Fuhrman on Twitter, he used to run the book at the Wynn Las Vegas, and may still.

FYI, the line in question came from an offshore service. Vegas does not post betting lines on FBS vs FCS games.
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(08-13-2014 12:43 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 05:53 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern will not be suddenly better than last year's team simply because we are now FBS.

Not remotely analogous as we aren't talking about a program that just transitioned(or currently transitioning) like GS.

We're talking about one program that has been FBS for decades compared to a FCS program.

What has Ga Southern really gained since leaving FCS? One recruiting class and I don't see freshman making that big of an impact this year. Also, all of our projected starters were signees when we were FCS. So my point is that we are essentially a FCS program going against a FBS schedule, and I doubt we will be more than a 10 point underdog in any SBC game. So I think it is comparable to Montana St vs Ark St.
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(08-13-2014 04:57 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 12:43 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 05:53 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern will not be suddenly better than last year's team simply because we are now FBS.

Not remotely analogous as we aren't talking about a program that just transitioned(or currently transitioning) like GS.

We're talking about one program that has been FBS for decades compared to a FCS program.

What has Ga Southern really gained since leaving FCS? One recruiting class and I don't see freshman making that big of an impact this year. Also, all of our projected starters were signees when we were FCS. So my point is that we are essentially a FCS program going against a FBS schedule, and I doubt we will be more than a 10 point underdog in any SBC game. So I think it is comparable to Montana St vs Ark St.

Keep in mind you guys don't play ULL or AState this year. I think you would probably be double digit underdogs at both places. Depending how the year shapes out of course.
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(08-13-2014 04:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:57 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 12:43 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 05:53 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern will not be suddenly better than last year's team simply because we are now FBS.

Not remotely analogous as we aren't talking about a program that just transitioned(or currently transitioning) like GS.

We're talking about one program that has been FBS for decades compared to a FCS program.

What has Ga Southern really gained since leaving FCS? One recruiting class and I don't see freshman making that big of an impact this year. Also, all of our projected starters were signees when we were FCS. So my point is that we are essentially a FCS program going against a FBS schedule, and I doubt we will be more than a 10 point underdog in any SBC game. So I think it is comparable to Montana St vs Ark St.

Keep in mind you guys don't play ULL or AState this year. I think you would probably be double digit underdogs at both places. Depending how the year shapes out of course.

If Montana St is an 8 point dog at Ark St, we would be less than them. ULL maybe, but SBC games seem to be very close. See GaSt vs ULL and Ark St last year.
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(08-13-2014 05:08 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:57 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 12:43 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  
(08-12-2014 05:53 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  Ga Southern will not be suddenly better than last year's team simply because we are now FBS.

Not remotely analogous as we aren't talking about a program that just transitioned(or currently transitioning) like GS.

We're talking about one program that has been FBS for decades compared to a FCS program.

What has Ga Southern really gained since leaving FCS? One recruiting class and I don't see freshman making that big of an impact this year. Also, all of our projected starters were signees when we were FCS. So my point is that we are essentially a FCS program going against a FBS schedule, and I doubt we will be more than a 10 point underdog in any SBC game. So I think it is comparable to Montana St vs Ark St.

Keep in mind you guys don't play ULL or AState this year. I think you would probably be double digit underdogs at both places. Depending how the year shapes out of course.

If Montana St is an 8 point dog at Ark St, we would be less than them. ULL maybe, but SBC games seem to be very close. See GaSt vs ULL and Ark St last year.

And I would win money betting on both.
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(08-13-2014 06:35 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 05:08 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:57 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 12:43 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  Not remotely analogous as we aren't talking about a program that just transitioned(or currently transitioning) like GS.

We're talking about one program that has been FBS for decades compared to a FCS program.

What has Ga Southern really gained since leaving FCS? One recruiting class and I don't see freshman making that big of an impact this year. Also, all of our projected starters were signees when we were FCS. So my point is that we are essentially a FCS program going against a FBS schedule, and I doubt we will be more than a 10 point underdog in any SBC game. So I think it is comparable to Montana St vs Ark St.

Keep in mind you guys don't play ULL or AState this year. I think you would probably be double digit underdogs at both places. Depending how the year shapes out of course.

If Montana St is an 8 point dog at Ark St, we would be less than them. ULL maybe, but SBC games seem to be very close. See GaSt vs ULL and Ark St last year.

And I would win money betting on both.

And lost big on the GaSt/ Ark St game last year.

Hard to know how Ark St will perform in the first game with a new QB and coach. And if Mont St has a seasoned QB, it could be very close. Definitely pulling for Ark St as we all need to win for the conference payout money.
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(08-13-2014 07:11 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 06:35 PM)runninjoe Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 05:08 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:59 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  
(08-13-2014 04:57 PM)GSU Eagles Wrote:  What has Ga Southern really gained since leaving FCS? One recruiting class and I don't see freshman making that big of an impact this year. Also, all of our projected starters were signees when we were FCS. So my point is that we are essentially a FCS program going against a FBS schedule, and I doubt we will be more than a 10 point underdog in any SBC game. So I think it is comparable to Montana St vs Ark St.

Keep in mind you guys don't play ULL or AState this year. I think you would probably be double digit underdogs at both places. Depending how the year shapes out of course.

If Montana St is an 8 point dog at Ark St, we would be less than them. ULL maybe, but SBC games seem to be very close. See GaSt vs ULL and Ark St last year.

And I would win money betting on both.

And lost big on the GaSt/ Ark St game last year.

Hard to know how Ark St will perform in the first game with a new QB and coach. And if Mont St has a season QB, it could be very close. Definitely pulling for Ark St as we all need to win for the conference payout money.

They lost skill players including QB. But their lines will be more experienced than ours.
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