(08-12-2014 03:39 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 05:53 PM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 03:13 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  Depends on what your definition of "give up" is. If you mean which schools will choose to not increase spending to stay at the top level of football here's my list:
Idaho
NM St
San Jose St
Utah St
UTEP
Hawaii
Tulsa
S. Miss
UMASS
Florida International
A few more schools in the MAC and Sun Belt
UAB--actually, UAB will be forced into this because the Alabama school system will never allow them to keep up. It's a terrible thing and I can't believe they've been able to keep UAB from building a stadium etc.

Uh it's pretty clear that there's one school that sticks out like a sore thumb in the group you've chosen... Tulsa is not anything like the others you've listed.

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Here's why I've given up on Tulsa ever becoming more than it is. Yeah, it's a great school with a large endowment, but that doesn't translate into athletic program success. (I've actually been to Tulsa games, and lived in the area I should add) In 1996 when Tulsa upset a top 20 Iowa team, no one cared. When Tulsa won at Notre Dame, no one cared. In Tulsa, OU and USU rule. In fact, I'd argue that Arkansas and Texas have more fans in the city of Tulsa than Tulsa does. If you can't get fan support in your own state as well as your own city, how can you say that Tulsa is a potentially thriving program destined for better things to come? It's too bad because Tulsa has had a very good unnoticed football program the past 10 years and has had many good--if not great--basketball teams as well....I was a big fan of Shea Shields back in the 90's. I waited and waited and waited for people to finally get on the Tulsa bandwagon and it just never happened. I don't know why things would suddenly change now?

I honestly see where you're coming from, but I know that with the last AD hire, they specifically charged Dr. Gragg with building attendance and increasing fan support. They even hired a new marketing director and staff.

I don't think we'll ever be on par with our big brothers in the state (in regards to attendance - TU is 1/4 their size), but with the right efforts and consistently winning MEANINGFUL games, I think we will be fine.

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(08-13-2014 06:37 AM)panama Wrote:  Loving how this has turned into G5 fans shooting at each other as P5 looks at us from above .


"They are so small"

The system they've put in place basically makes it where there's really little benefit to working together. The only thing down the road that the G5 needs to work together on is when the playoff expands doing whatever it takes to ensure G5 access to it. My guess is for the playoff to go to 8 the P5 is going to want an auto bid for their champs, so the G5 will at that point need to fight to ensure that the top G5 champ gets an auto bid to the playoff. Other than that there's nothing that working together is really going to accomplish that matters. That G5 bowl pool is a bunch of games that don't mean much and the AAC was going to have plenty of worthless bowls to begin with, and I can't see any kind of collaborative effort in TV negotiations really getting the AAC anymore money or exposure than we can get on our own, so especially from the AAC point of view there's really nothing to be gained by working together.

(08-13-2014 06:37 AM)panama Wrote:  Loving how this has turned into G5 fans shooting at each other as P5 looks at us from above .


"They are so small"

There is a Hugh difference between Ga State and the teams in the AAC. Not really an"us" as there are different layers to all of the conferences. I think it could be argued that we are in large part in the mess we are in because of new schools like Ga State, trying to cash in on the FBS money tree. I can't blame folkes for not wanting to share revenue or wanting to give these schools say over how they do business. I certainly don't think ECU should be held back because of the limitations of these new start up schools.

(08-13-2014 08:33 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 06:37 AM)panama Wrote:  Loving how this has turned into G5 fans shooting at each other as P5 looks at us from above .


"They are so small"

There is a Hugh difference between Ga State and the teams in the AAC. Not really an"us" as there are different layers to all of the conferences. I think it could be argued that we are in large part in the mess we are in because of new schools like Ga State, trying to cash in on the FBS money tree. I can't blame folkes for not wanting to share revenue or wanting to give these schools say over how they do business. I certainly don't think ECU should be held back because of the limitations of these new start up schools.

There's not a huge difference between Georgia State and the AAC, quit kidding yourself. All the rules and payouts are exactly the same. ESPN provides TV for both, the only difference is $2 million per year in TV revenue. Thats its. If $2 million is such a large difference, than you are saying the $10 million difference between Big Ten compared to Big12 or ACC is what? Astronomical? Gargantuan? I can assure you that nobody but AAC fans see any meaningful difference between Georgia State and the AAC.

You are referring to such minor things in the big picture.

(08-13-2014 06:37 AM)panama Wrote:  Loving how this has turned into G5 fans shooting at each other as P5 looks at us from above .


"They are so small"

The ceiling of what the P5 can spend is pegged at their weakest members and their budgets. Iowa State, Washington St, and Wake Forest make $100 million less than than Ohio State and Texas. If they spend past Iowa State or Wash State's capacity then the canabalize their own. Wash St and Iowa State's budgets are only like $50 million which makes them much closer to the Top G5 then the Top P5.

(08-13-2014 09:28 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:33 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 06:37 AM)panama Wrote:  Loving how this has turned into G5 fans shooting at each other as P5 looks at us from above .


"They are so small"

There is a Hugh difference between Ga State and the teams in the AAC. Not really an"us" as there are different layers to all of the conferences. I think it could be argued that we are in large part in the mess we are in because of new schools like Ga State, trying to cash in on the FBS money tree. I can't blame folkes for not wanting to share revenue or wanting to give these schools say over how they do business. I certainly don't think ECU should be held back because of the limitations of these new start up schools.

There's not a huge difference between Georgia State and the AAC, quit kidding yourself. All the rules and payouts are exactly the same. ESPN provides TV for both, the only difference is $2 million per year in TV revenue. Thats its. If $2 million is such a large difference, than you are saying the $10 million difference between Big Ten compared to Big12 or ACC is what? Astronomical? Gargantuan? I can assure you that nobody but AAC fans see any meaningful difference between Georgia State and the AAC.

You are referring to such minor things in the big picture.

If you honestly think that ucf and Georgia state are on the same level if have some ocean front property to sell you. We are not on Ohio states level etc. we had to work up our program and I am sure Georgia state can as well. But we have a 15 year head start.


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(08-13-2014 09:28 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:33 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 06:37 AM)panama Wrote:  Loving how this has turned into G5 fans shooting at each other as P5 looks at us from above .


"They are so small"

There is a Hugh difference between Ga State and the teams in the AAC. Not really an"us" as there are different layers to all of the conferences. I think it could be argued that we are in large part in the mess we are in because of new schools like Ga State, trying to cash in on the FBS money tree. I can't blame folkes for not wanting to share revenue or wanting to give these schools say over how they do business. I certainly don't think ECU should be held back because of the limitations of these new start up schools.

There's not a huge difference between Georgia State and the AAC, quit kidding yourself. All the rules and payouts are exactly the same. ESPN provides TV for both, the only difference is $2 million per year in TV revenue. Thats its. If $2 million is such a large difference, than you are saying the $10 million difference between Big Ten compared to Big12 or ACC is what? Astronomical? Gargantuan? I can assure you that nobody but AAC fans see any meaningful difference between Georgia State and the AAC.

You are referring to such minor things in the big picture.

b/c TV is the only source of revenue.

oy vey.

(08-13-2014 09:28 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:33 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 06:37 AM)panama Wrote:  Loving how this has turned into G5 fans shooting at each other as P5 looks at us from above .


"They are so small"

There is a Hugh difference between Ga State and the teams in the AAC. Not really an"us" as there are different layers to all of the conferences. I think it could be argued that we are in large part in the mess we are in because of new schools like Ga State, trying to cash in on the FBS money tree. I can't blame folkes for not wanting to share revenue or wanting to give these schools say over how they do business. I certainly don't think ECU should be held back because of the limitations of these new start up schools.

There's not a huge difference between Georgia State and the AAC, quit kidding yourself. All the rules and payouts are exactly the same. ESPN provides TV for both, the only difference is $2 million per year in TV revenue. Thats its. If $2 million is such a large difference, than you are saying the $10 million difference between Big Ten compared to Big12 or ACC is what? Astronomical? Gargantuan? I can assure you that nobody but AAC fans see any meaningful difference between Georgia State and the AAC.

You are referring to such minor things in the big picture.

Are you serious?

Georgia State's athletic budget is $23m, $19.4m (85%!!) of which comes from a State subsidy.

UCF's budget is $43m, $21.7m (51%) of which comes from a State subsidy.

UCF is basically bringing in $18m more independent athletics dollars per year than Georgia State.

That is what is astronomical, gargantuan, or whatever you want to call it.

(08-13-2014 12:59 PM)OUGwave Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 09:28 AM)Miami (Oh) Yeah ! Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 08:33 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 06:37 AM)panama Wrote:  Loving how this has turned into G5 fans shooting at each other as P5 looks at us from above .


"They are so small"

There is a Hugh difference between Ga State and the teams in the AAC. Not really an"us" as there are different layers to all of the conferences. I think it could be argued that we are in large part in the mess we are in because of new schools like Ga State, trying to cash in on the FBS money tree. I can't blame folkes for not wanting to share revenue or wanting to give these schools say over how they do business. I certainly don't think ECU should be held back because of the limitations of these new start up schools.

There's not a huge difference between Georgia State and the AAC, quit kidding yourself. All the rules and payouts are exactly the same. ESPN provides TV for both, the only difference is $2 million per year in TV revenue. Thats its. If $2 million is such a large difference, than you are saying the $10 million difference between Big Ten compared to Big12 or ACC is what? Astronomical? Gargantuan? I can assure you that nobody but AAC fans see any meaningful difference between Georgia State and the AAC.

You are referring to such minor things in the big picture.

Are you serious?

Georgia State's athletic budget is $23m, $19.4m (85%!!) of which comes from a State subsidy.

UCF's budget is $43m, $21.7m (51%) of which comes from a State subsidy.

UCF is basically bringing in $18m more independent athletics dollars per year than Georgia State.

That is what is astronomical, gargantuan, or whatever you want to call it.

Our budget will be right at $28M this coming year and I expect that subsidy percentage to go way down once our AD is hired next week. Our former AD raised no money, feasted on student fees and was most proficient at shoe and purse shopping (no seriously she was really good). As for astronomical or gargantuan, I am not sure you are aware of what those words actually mean. Maybe take a look budgets for Florida, LSU and Georgia.

(08-13-2014 08:33 AM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 06:37 AM)panama Wrote:  Loving how this has turned into G5 fans shooting at each other as P5 looks at us from above .


"They are so small"

There is a Hugh difference between Ga State and the teams in the AAC. Not really an"us" as there are different layers to all of the conferences. I think it could be argued that we are in large part in the mess we are in because of new schools like Ga State, trying to cash in on the FBS money tree. I can't blame folkes for not wanting to share revenue or wanting to give these schools say over how they do business. I certainly don't think ECU should be held back because of the limitations of these new start up schools.

No there isnt or you would be a P6 conference. And LOL at blaming startups for this mess as if ECU hasnt been trying to cash in for 15 years.

How can you look in the mirror as a fan and think Georgia State and the AAC teams are on par with each other?

(08-13-2014 01:16 PM)NBPirate Wrote:  How can you look in the mirror as a fan and think Georgia State and the AAC teams are on par with each other?

27 is closer to 41 than either are to 90? *shrugs shoulders*

I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-shirt fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

(08-13-2014 01:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-short fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

And that is no disrespect to UCF because their football program is great. But I live in an SEC city with transplant grads from most SEC and ACC schools and I spend a lot of time rolling my eyes at the comments made about G5 schools.

(08-13-2014 01:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-short fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

The same could be said about any school that is not Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State , Oregon, LSU, or USC. Outside of these schools, the fans that you are speaking about don't know exist for the most part.

I don't buy that the majority of people who follow College Sports don't understand the pecking order that exists.

As a pure sports fan, the thought that Georgia State, a bottom feeder in their own conference, is on par with the schools in the AAC is laughable.

The question posed at the start of this thread was which teams give up first. I think Georgia State among others is a logical answer.

(08-13-2014 01:48 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 01:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-short fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

The same could be said about any school that is not Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State , Oregon, LSU, or USC. Outside of these schools, the fans that you are speaking about don't know exist for the most part.

I don't buy that the majority of people who follow College Sports don't understand the pecking order that exists.

As a pure sports fan, the thought that Georgia State, a bottom feeder in their own conference, is on par with the schools in the AAC is laughable.

The question posed at the start of this thread was which teams give up first. I think Georgia State among others is a logical answer.

Not really. You could ask 10 random people that watch college football down here what conference ECU is in and they wouldn't have a clue. There's the SEC, the ACC, The Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12, Boise State and then everyone else. Now basketball on the other hand, yea, teams like Cinci, Memphis, and UConn are going to be held in a much higher regard than say... a Georgia State. But football? If it isn't in your region and you aren't a P5 or a BCS buster then people equally don't care for the most part. To be honest, if I didn't follow boards like this one what are the odds you think i'd know what conference Houston or Tulane are in without looking it up? And that's no disrespect to either but it just is what it is.

Temple
Tulsa
Tulane

(08-13-2014 01:57 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 01:48 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 01:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-short fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

The same could be said about any school that is not Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State , Oregon, LSU, or USC. Outside of these schools, the fans that you are speaking about don't know exist for the most part.

I don't buy that the majority of people who follow College Sports don't understand the pecking order that exists.

As a pure sports fan, the thought that Georgia State, a bottom feeder in their own conference, is on par with the schools in the AAC is laughable.

The question posed at the start of this thread was which teams give up first. I think Georgia State among others is a logical answer.

Not really. You could ask 10 random people that watch college football down here what conference ECU is in and they wouldn't have a clue. There's the SEC, the ACC, The Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12, Boise State and then everyone else. Now basketball on the other hand, yea, teams like Cinci, Memphis, and UConn are going to be held in a much higher regard than say... a Georgia State. But football? If it isn't in your region and you aren't a P5 or a BCS buster then people equally don't care for the most part. To be honest, if I didn't follow boards like this one what are the odds you think i'd know what conference Houston or Tulane are in without looking it up? And that's no disrespect to either but it just is what it is.

Very sad but essentially very true

(08-13-2014 02:03 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 01:57 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 01:48 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 01:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-short fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

The same could be said about any school that is not Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State , Oregon, LSU, or USC. Outside of these schools, the fans that you are speaking about don't know exist for the most part.

I don't buy that the majority of people who follow College Sports don't understand the pecking order that exists.

As a pure sports fan, the thought that Georgia State, a bottom feeder in their own conference, is on par with the schools in the AAC is laughable.

The question posed at the start of this thread was which teams give up first. I think Georgia State among others is a logical answer.

Not really. You could ask 10 random people that watch college football down here what conference ECU is in and they wouldn't have a clue. There's the SEC, the ACC, The Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12, Boise State and then everyone else. Now basketball on the other hand, yea, teams like Cinci, Memphis, and UConn are going to be held in a much higher regard than say... a Georgia State. But football? If it isn't in your region and you aren't a P5 or a BCS buster then people equally don't care for the most part. To be honest, if I didn't follow boards like this one what are the odds you think i'd know what conference Houston or Tulane are in without looking it up? And that's no disrespect to either but it just is what it is.

Very sad but essentially very true

Ha, ha, I am enjoying this thread immensely, especially hearing about the excellent state of affairs that is Ga State Football. I lived in Atlanta for many years, so you can appreciate how much I love hearing your narrative about Ga State sports and how it relates to the schools in the AAC. Please, do go on.

(08-13-2014 01:57 PM)AlwaysSunny Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 01:48 PM)baruna falls Wrote:  

(08-13-2014 01:21 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  I think he's saying that to the average, ignorant Wal-Mart T-short fan, there's no difference between UCF and Georgia State, allowing that UCF doesn't keep it's current momentum. Sad but true.

The same could be said about any school that is not Alabama, Notre Dame, Ohio State , Oregon, LSU, or USC. Outside of these schools, the fans that you are speaking about don't know exist for the most part.

I don't buy that the majority of people who follow College Sports don't understand the pecking order that exists.

As a pure sports fan, the thought that Georgia State, a bottom feeder in their own conference, is on par with the schools in the AAC is laughable.

The question posed at the start of this thread was which teams give up first. I think Georgia State among others is a logical answer.

Not really. You could ask 10 random people that watch college football down here what conference ECU is in and they wouldn't have a clue. There's the SEC, the ACC, The Pac 12, Big 10, Big 12, Boise State and then everyone else. Now basketball on the other hand, yea, teams like Cinci, Memphis, and UConn are going to be held in a much higher regard than say... a Georgia State. But football? If it isn't in your region and you aren't a P5 or a BCS buster then people equally don't care for the most part. To be honest, if I didn't follow boards like this one what are the odds you think i'd know what conference Houston or Tulane are in without looking it up? And that's no disrespect to either but it just is what it is.

What team do you follow? I am willing to bet that unless you follow one of the top 10 or so teams in the country that the majority of people could not tell you what conference most teams play for. People in general do not follow conferences, they follow teams.

Almost every team in the AAC is recognizable around the country by College Sports football fans. How many however, even know that Georgia State even has a football team? Probably very few.