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Which schools give up first?
In the coming years there will be some schools that just throw in the towel and concede that they can't keep up. Who are they? What happens then? Do conferences shed them? What does the reshuffle look like?
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08-11-2014 10:24 AM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
They just won't pay the extra costs and take their small piece if the cfb playoff money.
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 10:24 AM)NBPirate Wrote: In the coming years there will be some schools that just throw in the towel and concede that they can't keep up. Who are they? What happens then? Do conferences shed them? What does the reshuffle look like?
Idaho, NMSU, UMass, UAB are my front runners.
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08-11-2014 10:55 AM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
Why would they have to quit? The might be content at leeching the revenues and sucking at sports.
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08-11-2014 10:56 AM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 10:56 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: Why would they have to quit? The might be content at leeching the revenues and sucking at sports.
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The Big East turfed Temple for not being competitive in football.
In this case a conference would have greater cause because not only would a program not be competitive on the field, but by not making the effort to keep up, they're signalling to the conference that they're not fully vested in its success the way others would be. And that could get them drummed out.
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 10:55 AM)Kruciff Wrote: Idaho, NMSU, UMass, UAB are my front runners.
I honestly feel for UAB. Is there any other institution whose Board of Trustees consciously intends to undermine the institution's chances for future success?
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08-11-2014 11:08 AM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 11:03 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: (08-11-2014 10:56 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: Why would they have to quit? The might be content at leeching the revenues and sucking at sports.
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The Big East turfed Temple for not being competitive in football.
In this case a conference would have greater cause because not only would a program not be competitive on the field, but by not making the effort to keep up, they're signalling to the conference that they're not fully vested in its success the way others would be. And that could get them drummed out.
Temple was not a full member of the Big East though. I'm not sure how easy it would be to boot a full conference member for being bad.
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08-11-2014 11:11 AM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 11:08 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (08-11-2014 10:55 AM)Kruciff Wrote: Idaho, NMSU, UMass, UAB are my front runners.
I honestly feel for UAB. Is there any other institution whose Board of Trustees consciously intends to undermine the institution's chances for future success?
Colorado State doesn't seem too athletics friendly.It seems Eastern Michigan might throw in the towel at some point. Especially if this new staff fails.
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RE: Which schools give up first?
What do you mean by give up? Do you mean accept mediocrity, or drop down to FCS, or just stop supporting athletics all together? There are already a lot of FBS schools who either can't or won't do what it takes to compete at a high level, so in that sense schools like FAU, ULM, and Idaho have already given up.
I don't think anyone is going to voluntarily demote themselves or end their athletics program though. They'll play their G5 schedule and some bodybag games and hope for a December Bowl and for a small slice of the CFB Playoff paycheck.
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08-11-2014 11:36 AM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 11:11 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: (08-11-2014 11:03 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: (08-11-2014 10:56 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: Why would they have to quit? The might be content at leeching the revenues and sucking at sports.
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The Big East turfed Temple for not being competitive in football.
In this case a conference would have greater cause because not only would a program not be competitive on the field, but by not making the effort to keep up, they're signalling to the conference that they're not fully vested in its success the way others would be. And that could get them drummed out.
Temple was not a full member of the Big East though. I'm not sure how easy it would be to boot a full conference member for being bad.
I guess it would depend on the conference bylaws. Certainly it was easier to boot Temple and its one non-performing sport, but if a school sends a clear and unmistakable message that it doesn't intend to compete -- not just that they can't compete for various reasons, but that they choose not to compete -- in the same way as the other member schools while still expecting the same slice of the pie, then there'd be a lot of unhappy ADs and presidents, and they'd be combing the bylaws to see what options they have.
If UAB never gets an on-campus football stadium and continues to exist under the heel of the UA BOT, then I wonder if they don't kill football entirely and petition the Missouri Valley and Atlantic 10 for admission.
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08-11-2014 11:42 AM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 11:15 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: (08-11-2014 11:08 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (08-11-2014 10:55 AM)Kruciff Wrote: Idaho, NMSU, UMass, UAB are my front runners.
I honestly feel for UAB. Is there any other institution whose Board of Trustees consciously intends to undermine the institution's chances for future success?
Colorado State doesn't seem too athletics friendly.It seems Eastern Michigan might throw in the towel at some point. Especially if this new staff fails.
Yeah, I was thinking Eastern Michigan, too. They're already very much behind the 8-ball in their own neighborhood, being 15 minutes from massive University of Michigan.
It's still a little too early to tell whether anyone would give up, though. These schools that aren't bringing in 15,000 people per game, sometimes under 10,000, seem like they're already in over their heads to me. New Mexico State hasn't made a bowl game in over 50 years. But for schools who've gone not just a few years but decades lacking success both in the win column and in ticket sales, and they still haven't dropped football or dropped to FCS, it's hard to imagine autonomy rules changing that. Maybe they'll keep going no matter what.
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 11:03 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: (08-11-2014 10:56 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: Why would they have to quit? The might be content at leeching the revenues and sucking at sports.
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The Big East turfed Temple for not being competitive in football.
In this case a conference would have greater cause because not only would a program not be competitive on the field, but by not making the effort to keep up, they're signalling to the conference that they're not fully vested in its success the way others would be. And that could get them drummed out.
Temple at that time was only an associate member, it wasn't like it was a full member. If the B1G were to give Northwestern the boot, something like that would be unprecedented.
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08-11-2014 11:45 AM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 11:36 AM)MechaKnight Wrote: What do you mean by give up? Do you mean accept mediocrity, or drop down to FCS, or just stop supporting athletics all together? There are already a lot of FBS schools who either can't or won't do what it takes to compete at a high level, so in that sense schools like FAU, ULM, and Idaho have already given up.
I don't think anyone is going to voluntarily demote themselves or end their athletics program though. They'll play their G5 schedule and some bodybag games and hope for a December Bowl and for a small slice of the CFB Playoff paycheck.
I took "give up" to mean not implementing stipends or full cost of attendance or some of the other P5 proposals that come down the pike, or possibly reducing scholarships to save money. That sort of thing.
FAU has a new football stadium, so I don't see them doing anything dramatic. So long as ULM can be competitive, no reason for anything to change there. Idaho would be the one to watch, especially if they get booted from the Sun Belt and can't find a long-term conference home. They may not want to play Big Sky football, but they're already mostly there anyway.
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 11:45 AM)UConnFB Wrote: (08-11-2014 11:03 AM)Cyniclone Wrote: (08-11-2014 10:56 AM)blunderbuss Wrote: Why would they have to quit? The might be content at leeching the revenues and sucking at sports.
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The Big East turfed Temple for not being competitive in football.
In this case a conference would have greater cause because not only would a program not be competitive on the field, but by not making the effort to keep up, they're signalling to the conference that they're not fully vested in its success the way others would be. And that could get them drummed out.
Temple at that time was only an associate member, it wasn't like it was a full member. If the B1G were to give Northwestern the boot, something like that would be unprecedented.
That would never happen because Northwestern has long-term relationships with most of the Big 10 members. No G5 program has that kind of relationship with both its conference and most of its members. It's a lot easier for the Sun Belt to send ULM packing than it would be for a P5 to disassociate from a lagging member.
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RE: Which schools give up first?
I could see a few CUSA and several Sun Belt schools becoming welfare queens and not trying to keep up.
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08-11-2014 11:52 AM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 11:15 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: (08-11-2014 11:08 AM)Native Georgian Wrote: (08-11-2014 10:55 AM)Kruciff Wrote: Idaho, NMSU, UMass, UAB are my front runners.
I honestly feel for UAB. Is there any other institution whose Board of Trustees consciously intends to undermine the institution's chances for future success?
Colorado State doesn't seem too athletics friendly.It seems Eastern Michigan might throw in the towel at some point. Especially if this new staff fails.
CSU is actually a sleeping giant. Colorado State has over 31K students and WAS desperately trying to build a larger on-campus stadium...until they had horrible attendance in 2013, less than 20K per game (but still more than SMU, Tulsa, Tulane, and Temple). They have more alumni in the top-20 Denver market than CU.
Half of the MAC is already on life support, with EMU leading the way.
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 12:02 PM)YNot Wrote: Half of the MAC is already on life support, with EMU leading the way.
In that case, I think the MAC could hold steady and maybe pick up a couple of nearby programs that didn't want to make the full commitment, while the schools with larger ambitions move on. It would depend on the balance of schools with and without those ambitions.
It's not inconceivable that the G5 is eventually reshuffled into conferences that reflect their willingness to compete. But not until the next playoff contract, when they could change the payouts and bowl eligibility based on their commitment to the new funding protocols.
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08-11-2014 12:13 PM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
1. MWC - A little over 1/2 of their schools
2. CUSA - A little over 3/4 of their schools
3. MAC - A good portion of all their schools
4. SBC - A good portion of all their schools
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08-11-2014 12:38 PM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
I doubt anybody gives up. They'll just operate under the minimum standard which would be Cost of Attendance. The new playoff revenues are enough to pay for that at the very least.
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08-11-2014 12:40 PM |
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RE: Which schools give up first?
(08-11-2014 10:24 AM)NBPirate Wrote: In the coming years there will be some schools that just throw in the towel and concede that they can't keep up. Who are they? What happens then? Do conferences shed them? What does the reshuffle look like?
Schools whose attendance dry up because they are perceived as irrelevant after the G/5-P/5 divide will be the first to pack it in. Even the 'welfare payments' won't be enough to cover costs.
EMU does lead the pack, as they have been irrelevant even before autonomy.
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