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BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
First, there are 65 P-5 schools and 64 G-5 schools, if there was a scheduling change/cut, would the fan bases of the G-5 stop following their teams and still have interest in the P-5 games?

I imagine the 64 fan bases make up a large amount of TV viewership for networks, and IMO these fans would not have the same or much interest at all in the p-5 outside of playoff games.

Second, if G-5 TV viewers are removed from the current pool of TV viewers the p-5 currently has, how big of a difference do you think it will make on TV deals going forward? and would it give the G-5 real negotiation power with the TV networks? what do ya'll think about this?
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
So, you are assuming a large portion of each P5 teams sidewalk fans are made up of actual G5 graduates?

I don't think that is necessarily true.
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 09:46 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  First, there are 65 P-5 schools and 64 G-5 schools, if there was a scheduling change/cut, would the fan bases of the G-5 stop following their teams and still have interest in the P-5 games?

I imagine the 64 fan bases make up a large amount of TV viewership for networks, and IMO these fans would not have the same or much interest at all in the p-5 outside of playoff games.

Second, if G-5 TV viewers are removed from the current pool of TV viewers the p-5 currently has, how big of a difference do you think it will make on TV deals going forward? and would it give the G-5 real negotiation power with the TV networks? what do ya'll think about this?

Honestly little impact. Most of the P-5 fans bases are largely composed of non grads. Also, I hate most SEC schools and their fan bases but if the Al AU game is on I probably watching that over anything else on TV.

There is no way in hell the majority of P-5's want any part of only playing other P-5's. First it would be near impossible to have 7 homes games like most of them want. Also, the mid level P-5's on down like having a realistic shot at a winning record which would be near impossible with only playing other P-5's.
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 09:46 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  First, there are 65 P-5 schools and 64 G-5 schools, if there was a scheduling change/cut, would the fan bases of the G-5 stop following their teams and still have interest in the P-5 games?

I imagine the 64 fan bases make up a large amount of TV viewership for networks, and IMO these fans would not have the same or much interest at all in the p-5 outside of playoff games.

Second, if G-5 TV viewers are removed from the current pool of TV viewers the p-5 currently has, how big of a difference do you think it will make on TV deals going forward? and would it give the G-5 real negotiation power with the TV networks? what do ya'll think about this?

I personally would not care to watch any P5 games anymore. I'm interested in a system where the underdog at least has a shot to sneak I every once in a while to make things interesting. I get tired of seeing the same handful of power teams on TV all the time. I like the variety that we've had over the last 20 years or so. It was fun seeing various small schools make an impact on college football: ECU, Marshall, Fresno, Boise, S. Miss, etc.

The P5 is going to be stale to watch.

Besides half the P5 will now have losing records...that will be the fun part seeing so many "power teams" taking on the chin after feasting on G5 games and claiming superiority. Also, these teams will not have the benefit of playing 8 home games.
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 09:53 AM)JCGSU Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 09:46 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  First, there are 65 P-5 schools and 64 G-5 schools, if there was a scheduling change/cut, would the fan bases of the G-5 stop following their teams and still have interest in the P-5 games?

I imagine the 64 fan bases make up a large amount of TV viewership for networks, and IMO these fans would not have the same or much interest at all in the p-5 outside of playoff games.

Second, if G-5 TV viewers are removed from the current pool of TV viewers the p-5 currently has, how big of a difference do you think it will make on TV deals going forward? and would it give the G-5 real negotiation power with the TV networks? what do ya'll think about this?

Honestly little impact. Most of the P-5 fans bases are largely composed of non grads. Also, I hate most SEC schools and their fan bases but if the Al AU game is on I probably watching that over anything else on TV.

There is no way in hell the majority of P-5's want any part of only playing other P-5's. First it would be near impossible to have 7 homes games like most of them want. Also, the mid level P-5's on down like having a realistic shot at a winning record which would be near impossible with only playing other P-5's.

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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
Television typically goes for the lowest common denominator in all things. They are interested in the masses of T-shirt fans. It's the same reason you end up with Lizard Lick Towing and such. The only way we move the needle is with G5 conference unity and cooperation....and that isn't in the cards.
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
I don't watch the P5's really anyway. I'm about to drive my cable company crazy because I keep calling and complaining that they added the SEC Network.

I've watched G5 schools play P5's...but outside of running across something on TV Occasionally...that's it.
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 09:49 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So, you are assuming a large portion of each P5 teams sidewalk fans are made up of actual G5 graduates?

I don't think that is necessarily true.

not assuming they ( G5 graduates) are fans on any level, only that they watch P5 games on TV, and help drive the ratings and record TV contracts we are seeing now. and wonder if they ( G5 fans) would still watch with P5 games.
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 09:49 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So, you are assuming a large portion of each P5 teams sidewalk fans are made up of actual G5 graduates?

I don't think that is necessarily true.

I'd say the majority of P5 fans aren't graduates of any 4 year college.
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 09:58 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Television typically goes for the lowest common denominator in all things. They are interested in the masses of T-shirt fans. It's the same reason you end up with Lizard Lick Towing and such. The only way we move the needle is with G5 conference unity and cooperation....and that isn't in the cards.

with a change as big as this will be, i think G5 unity and cooperation, will be a must. and as you say, i think it will move the nation needle.
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 10:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 09:49 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So, you are assuming a large portion of each P5 teams sidewalk fans are made up of actual G5 graduates?

I don't think that is necessarily true.

not assuming they ( G5 graduates) are fans on any level, only that they watch P5 games on TV, and help drive the ratings and record TV contracts we are seeing now. and wonder if they ( G5 fans) would still watch with P5 games.

I think they will because in time they will be the only games on TV, unfortunately.
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Re: RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 10:16 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 09:49 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So, you are assuming a large portion of each P5 teams sidewalk fans are made up of actual G5 graduates?

I don't think that is necessarily true.

not assuming they ( G5 graduates) are fans on any level, only that they watch P5 games on TV, and help drive the ratings and record TV contracts we are seeing now. and wonder if they ( G5 fans) would still watch with P5 games.

I think they will because in time they will be the only games on TV, unfortunately.

ESPN etc. are just middlemen. Will the P5 need them forever?
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 10:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:16 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 09:49 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So, you are assuming a large portion of each P5 teams sidewalk fans are made up of actual G5 graduates?

I don't think that is necessarily true.

not assuming they ( G5 graduates) are fans on any level, only that they watch P5 games on TV, and help drive the ratings and record TV contracts we are seeing now. and wonder if they ( G5 fans) would still watch with P5 games.

I think they will because in time they will be the only games on TV, unfortunately.

ESPN etc. are just middlemen. Will the P5 need them forever?

Well, it depends on wether or not the TV subscription model stays in place. If it does then yes. If it doesn't then no.
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Re: RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 10:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:16 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 09:49 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So, you are assuming a large portion of each P5 teams sidewalk fans are made up of actual G5 graduates?

I don't think that is necessarily true.

not assuming they ( G5 graduates) are fans on any level, only that they watch P5 games on TV, and help drive the ratings and record TV contracts we are seeing now. and wonder if they ( G5 fans) would still watch with P5 games.

I think they will because in time they will be the only games on TV, unfortunately.

ESPN etc. are just middlemen. Will the P5 need them forever?

Well, it depends on wether or not the TV subscription model stays in place. If it does then yes. If it doesn't then no.

You don't think P5 networks could survive with a subscription model without ESPN?
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 10:54 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:16 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:12 AM)balanced_view Wrote:  not assuming they ( G5 graduates) are fans on any level, only that they watch P5 games on TV, and help drive the ratings and record TV contracts we are seeing now. and wonder if they ( G5 fans) would still watch with P5 games.

I think they will because in time they will be the only games on TV, unfortunately.

ESPN etc. are just middlemen. Will the P5 need them forever?

Well, it depends on wether or not the TV subscription model stays in place. If it does then yes. If it doesn't then no.

You don't think P5 networks could survive with a subscription model without ESPN?

That isn't what I said is it?
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Re: RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 10:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:54 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:16 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  I think they will because in time they will be the only games on TV, unfortunately.

ESPN etc. are just middlemen. Will the P5 need them forever?

Well, it depends on wether or not the TV subscription model stays in place. If it does then yes. If it doesn't then no.

You don't think P5 networks could survive with a subscription model without ESPN?

That isn't what I said is it?
You said they would need ESPN forever if the subscription model exists. I'm trying to figure out why that would be so.
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RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 11:03 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:54 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:47 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  ESPN etc. are just middlemen. Will the P5 need them forever?

Well, it depends on wether or not the TV subscription model stays in place. If it does then yes. If it doesn't then no.

You don't think P5 networks could survive with a subscription model without ESPN?

That isn't what I said is it?
You said they would need ESPN forever if the subscription model exists. I'm trying to figure out why that would be so.

The cable and satellite providers, yes. See the highlighted portion.
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Re: RE: BIG Question about P-5 exclusively scheduling P-5 opponents
(08-11-2014 11:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 11:03 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:54 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:51 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  Well, it depends on wether or not the TV subscription model stays in place. If it does then yes. If it doesn't then no.

You don't think P5 networks could survive with a subscription model without ESPN?

That isn't what I said is it?
You said they would need ESPN forever if the subscription model exists. I'm trying to figure out why that would be so.

The cable and satellite providers, yes. See the highlighted portion.

I don't see what prevents the P5 from dealing with cable and satellite providers directly and cutting out ESPN.

The main reason for having a middleman is that they can do it cheaper and have specialized expertise. But there is no reason the P5 couldn't develop their own if it becomes more cost-effective to do so, or ESPN gets too demanding.
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(08-11-2014 11:17 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 11:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 11:03 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:57 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 10:54 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  You don't think P5 networks could survive with a subscription model without ESPN?

That isn't what I said is it?
You said they would need ESPN forever if the subscription model exists. I'm trying to figure out why that would be so.

The cable and satellite providers, yes. See the highlighted portion.

I don't see what prevents the P5 from dealing with cable and satellite providers directly and cutting out ESPN.

The main reason for having a middleman is that they can do it cheaper and have specialized expertise. But there is no reason the P5 couldn't develop their own if it becomes more cost-effective to do so, or ESPN gets too demanding.

Well, we aren't exactly talking about the same thing anyways.

I don't think the future lies with these TV subscription services period. People want to pay for what they want and don't want to pay for anything they don't.
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(08-11-2014 10:14 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  
(08-11-2014 09:49 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  So, you are assuming a large portion of each P5 teams sidewalk fans are made up of actual G5 graduates?

I don't think that is necessarily true.

I'd say the majority of P5 fans aren't graduates of any 4 year college.

I've always felt that was true.
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