(08-12-2014 02:05 PM)TerryD Wrote:  

(08-11-2014 09:05 AM)DfromCT Wrote:  It really pisses me off that ND is considered part of the P5, despite their refusal to join a conference in Football. In the old BCS days, they got an invite to a BCS bowl if they were in the top 10. It was automatic. The days of the Fighting Irish being relevant year in and year out have come and gone. They even ended their series with Michigan (though they continue to play Purdue) because they have to play more ACC teams.

ND is fueled by money from their contract with NBC. Unfortunately, they have enough fans AND haters that they get ratings. As Alabama proved two years ago, they can waltz through their schedule with no losses and still get lit up by a true BCS contender.

There are several errors in your post.

ND was an automatic BCS bid team if it finished in the top eight.

It could be considered for a BCS bowl if it finished in the top fourteen spots of the BCS poll/b]. [b]It as not automatic, just an eligible to be considered spot. ( In 2002, for instance, ND was ranked in the top 14 of the BCS poll with a 10-2 record, but did not get a BCS bowl bid).

The days of ND being relevant every year are not done, neither on the field nor otherwise. You post alone proves this.

ND plays both Michigan and Purdue this year, then both drop off the schedule for quite a while...2020/21 for Purdue.

(ND plays Michigan State in 2016 and 2017).

There will be no Big Ten team's on ND's schedule for 2015, the first time in 100 years that will happen.

ND has scheduled teams like Texas and Georgia instead, part of its "Southern Strategy" of exposure and games (recruiting) in the Southeast and Southwest.


2014 Football Schedule

A30 RICE 3:30pm ET NBC
S06 MICHIGAN 7:30pm NBC
S13 vs. Purdue (LucasOil) 7:30pm NBC
S27 @ Syracuse (Meadowlands)
O04 STANFORD 3:30pm ET NBC
O11 NORTH CAROLINA 3:30pm ET NBC
O18 @ Florida State
N01 @ Navy (Landover, MD) 8pm ET CBS
N08 @ Arizona State
N15 NORTHWESTERN 3:30pm ET NBC
N22 LOUISVILLE 3:30pm ET NBC
N29 @ Southern Cal


2015 Football Schedule

S05 TEXAS
S12 @ Virginia
S19 GEORGIA TECH
S26 UMASS
O03 @ Clemson
O10 NAVY
O17 SOUTHERN CAL
O31 @ Temple (LFSF)
N07 @ Pittsburgh
N14 WAKE FOREST
N21 BOSTON COLLEGE (Fenway Pk.)
N28 @ Stanford


2016 Football Schedule

S03 @ Texas
S10 NEVADA
S17 MICHIGAN STATE
S24 DUKE
O01 @ Syracuse (Meadowlands)
O08 @ North Carolina State
O15 STANFORD
O29 MIAMI
N05 @ Navy
N12 ARMY (Alamodome)
N19 VIRGINIA TECH
N26 @ Southern Cal


2017 Football Schedule

not official
S09 GEORGIA
TEMPLE
NAVY
SOUTHERN CAL
@ Michigan State
@ Stanford
2 ACC at home
3 ACC away


2018 Football Schedule

not official

STANFORD
@ Navy
@ Southern Cal
3 ACC at home
2 ACC away


2019 Football Schedule

not official

S19 @ Georgia
NAVY
SOUTHERN CAL
@ Texas
@ Stanford
2 ACC at home
3 ACC away


2020 Football Schedule

not official

TEXAS
STANFORD
@ Purdue
@ Navy
@ Southern Cal
3 ACC at home
2 ACC away


2021 Football Schedule

not official

PURDUE
NAVY
SOUTHERN CAL
@ Stanford
2 ACC at home
3 ACC away


2022 Football Schedule

not official

STANFORD
@ Navy
@ Southern Cal
3 ACC at home
2 ACC away



ND makes less TV money from NBC as a football independent than Purdue and Indiana make just from being members of the Big Ten.

If it were about money, ND would be in the Big Ten. It is not.

ND wants to be independent for a national identity as the Catholic University in America, for recruiting exposure, for student applicant exposure in all areas of the country, so its alumni and fans can go see them play live all over America, and for a host of other reasons.

ND beat Stanford, Southern Cal, Michigan State, Michigan and a number of other good teams to go 12-0 in 2012. "Waltzing" seems a bit leisurely considering that lineup.

(Rick Reilly made the mistake of calling ND "irrelevant" right before that 12-0 run).

I think that most every team would have gotten beat badly by Alabama that day.

What about the year prior to that? LSU was shut out by Alabama in the title game and did not even cross mid-field.

Did LSU "waltz" as well?

Also beat Oklahoma

Hell, why pick on ND?

Its coach was one of the few who came out in defense of a G5 game (Navy).

I guess it was one of those "The Texas AD said something arrogant, this is a good time to ***** about ND." things.

For the record, ND was ranked # 9 in the final 2002 BCS standings and did not get a BCS bid.


http://www.collegefootballpoll.com/2002_...e_bcs.html

(08-11-2014 08:27 AM)Tigers2B1 Wrote:  Quote in the New York Times.

...Steve Patterson, the men’s athletic director at the University of Texas, was more ruthless in describing the Big 5’s decision to break from the group. The programs outside the Big 5 aren’t pulling their weight, he said.

“We are the ones making the money and carrying the liability,” Patterson said. “The others don’t make any money. Nobody wants to watch them on TV. I don’t accept the argument that you have to have total socialism."

He said if the Division I universities on the outside looking in want to make it to the level of the Big 5, they would have to invest more in their sports programs. Or, he offered, they could simply step aside.

“They could be the University of Chicago,” he said. “And hey, a lot of parents want to send their kids there.”

The problem there, if you happen to have a child who wants to play top-level college sports, is that the University of Chicago is Division III. It dropped big-time football in 1939, troubled by the sport’s corrupting influence on academics.

The scary thing is that Patterson was really hinting at what could be the future: The Big 5 will rule college sports. Other programs, unable to keep up, would face the choice of dropping down a division or eradicating nonrevenue sports to go all in on football and basketball....

He's a schmuck....no one has ever said "you have to have total socialism." Who ever said that? What we have now is neither socialism nor capitalism. What schools like Texas want is "selective socialism" or "crony capitalism" - i.e., they share revenue with the schools (Big XII in this case) that they choose to associate with, and no one else.

These guys will say that we (the G5 leagues) need to "earn our way," but then they try to barricade the very road by which we would earn our way (a true playoff). You little guys need to play somebody, and beat them, in order to "earn your place".....oh by the way, we're not scheduling you any more. To Texas I say, make your Big XII cellar dwellers pay their own way, then you can rightfully complain about the G5 schools.