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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
1) go to 3+5 schedule format, let each team have their 3 favorites ACC rivals
2) divide the teams into 2 groups of 7; take the team with the best ACC record from each group and call them division winners.
3) tell Swofford to contact me so I can tell him where to send my consulting check...
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
(08-18-2014 12:25 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  1) go to 3+5 schedule format, let each team have their 3 favorites ACC rivals
2) divide the teams into 2 groups of 7; take the team with the best ACC record from each group and call them division winners.
3) tell Swofford to contact me so I can tell him where to send my consulting check...

That's not going to work out well.
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
(08-18-2014 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 12:25 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  1) go to 3+5 schedule format, let each team have their 3 favorites ACC rivals
2) divide the teams into 2 groups of 7; take the team with the best ACC record from each group and call them division winners.
3) tell Swofford to contact me so I can tell him where to send my consulting check...

That's not going to work out well.

Well I don't know what they will decide, but I do like the 3 permanent games with a rotation of 5 each year. Instead of letting teams choose the games the ACC should let each team pick one game and the conference by a committee of representatives from each school pick the other 2.

By chance does anyone happen to know since the NCAA granted autonomy to the P5 schools when we might hear the ruling that the ACC and the BIG12 submitted earlier this year on the championship game using no divisions???
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
(08-18-2014 07:43 PM)BigOwensboroCard Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 07:31 PM)Marge Schott Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 12:25 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  1) go to 3+5 schedule format, let each team have their 3 favorites ACC rivals
2) divide the teams into 2 groups of 7; take the team with the best ACC record from each group and call them division winners.
3) tell Swofford to contact me so I can tell him where to send my consulting check...

That's not going to work out well.

Well I don't know what they will decide, but I do like the 3 permanent games with a rotation of 5 each year. Instead of letting teams choose the games the ACC should let each team pick one game and the conference by a committee of representatives from each school pick the other 2.

By chance does anyone happen to know since the NCAA granted autonomy to the P5 schools when we might hear the ruling that the ACC and the BIG12 submitted earlier this year on the championship game using no divisions???

david teel said January at earliest
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
my personal 3 game permanent rival solution which I think are fair.

FLORIDA STATE- Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson
CLEMSON- Georgia Tech, NC State, Florida State
LOUISVILLE- Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia
SYRACUSE- Louisville, Boston College, Miami
BOSTON COLLEGE- Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest
NC STATE- Wake Forest, Clemson, North Carolina
WAKE FOREST- NC State, Duke, Boston College

MIAMI- Florida State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
VIRGINIA TECH- Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
VIRGINIA- Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Louisville
GEORGIA TECH- Clemson, Florida State, Duke
PITTSBURGH- Boston College, Louisville, Virginia Tech
NORTH CAROLINA- Duke, Virginia, NC State
DUKE- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
(08-18-2014 09:10 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  my personal 3 game permanent rival solution which I think are fair.

FLORIDA STATE- Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson
CLEMSON- Georgia Tech, NC State, Florida State
LOUISVILLE- Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia
SYRACUSE- Louisville, Boston College, Miami
BOSTON COLLEGE- Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest
NC STATE- Wake Forest, Clemson, North Carolina
WAKE FOREST- NC State, Duke, Boston College

MIAMI- Florida State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
VIRGINIA TECH- Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
VIRGINIA- Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Louisville
GEORGIA TECH- Clemson, Florida State, Duke
PITTSBURGH- Boston College, Louisville, Virginia Tech
NORTH CAROLINA- Duke, Virginia, NC State
DUKE- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech

Oh Lord....you are going have our resident Pitt crybaby on here talking about how you screwed Pitt.
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
1. I really think it should be 4 permanent rivals to make sure schools get more of what they want, if you eliminate "divisions". You'd face every non-rival 4 times in 9 years instead of 4 times in 8 years. Big deal. Hell, make it 5 or 6 permanent rivals if it makes scheduling easier. All would allow a greater frequency of intradivisional games than the current ****-tier setup.

2. Or keep the divisions the same but make it so you don't have to face every team in your division each year. Two permanent divisional rivals and one permanent crossover. Two rotating divisional games (face every divisional non-rival twice every 4 years) and three rotating crossover games (face every crossover non-rival twice every 4 years).

You'd obviously just keep the current crossover rivals the same. Then you'd pick two divisional rivals for each school:

FSU - Clemson, UL
Clemson - FSU, NC State
NC State - Clemson, Wake
Wake - NC State, BC
BC - Cuse, Wake
Cuse - BC, UL
UL - FSU, Cuse

VT - UVA, Miami
UVA - VT, UNC
UNC - Duke, UVA
Duke - UNC, GT
GT - Duke, Pitt
Pitt - GT, Miami
Miami - VT, Pitt

And this second option also keeps the pissypants crybaby sissies in the Coastal division "eligible" for an ACC "title".
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Re: Yet another north-south division idea
Pods are still possible with 14 teams. 2 pods of 4 & 2 pods of 3. Just flip flop to 2 3 team pods every year. The teams in the 4 team pods play 2 crossover games each year allowing them to cycle through in 2 years. The teams in the 3 team pods play 2 crossover games as well. The two division winners play in the ccg. Example;

FSU//; VT
Clemson/// Miami
GT//; Louisville

PITT /// NC
Syracuse//; Duke
BC/// Virg
WF/// NC St



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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
I want to keep things as they are, so that makes ME a crybaby?

Very interesting logic. Not at all surprising.

What about the people whining about the grave injustice of the current system and wanting to change everything to suit their narrow needs? What are they? Yep, thought so.

If all of the malcontents agree that they don't like me for this reason or that reason, I must be doing something right.

Whine away.
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
(08-18-2014 10:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:10 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  my personal 3 game permanent rival solution which I think are fair.

FLORIDA STATE- Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson
CLEMSON- Georgia Tech, NC State, Florida State
LOUISVILLE- Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia
SYRACUSE- Louisville, Boston College, Miami
BOSTON COLLEGE- Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest
NC STATE- Wake Forest, Clemson, North Carolina
WAKE FOREST- NC State, Duke, Boston College

MIAMI- Florida State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
VIRGINIA TECH- Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
VIRGINIA- Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Louisville
GEORGIA TECH- Clemson, Florida State, Duke
PITTSBURGH- Boston College, Louisville, Virginia Tech
NORTH CAROLINA- Duke, Virginia, NC State
DUKE- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech

Oh Lord....you are going have our resident Pitt crybaby on here talking about how you screwed Pitt.

I gave them va tech they should be happy enough
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
(08-19-2014 10:53 AM)Chris02M Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 10:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  
(08-18-2014 09:10 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  my personal 3 game permanent rival solution which I think are fair.

FLORIDA STATE- Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson
CLEMSON- Georgia Tech, NC State, Florida State
LOUISVILLE- Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia
SYRACUSE- Louisville, Boston College, Miami
BOSTON COLLEGE- Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest
NC STATE- Wake Forest, Clemson, North Carolina
WAKE FOREST- NC State, Duke, Boston College

MIAMI- Florida State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse
VIRGINIA TECH- Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh
VIRGINIA- Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Louisville
GEORGIA TECH- Clemson, Florida State, Duke
PITTSBURGH- Boston College, Louisville, Virginia Tech
NORTH CAROLINA- Duke, Virginia, NC State
DUKE- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech

Oh Lord....you are going have our resident Pitt crybaby on here talking about how you screwed Pitt.

I gave them va tech they should be happy enough

It's not enough. Pitt gave up so much (03-lmfao) to join the ACC. Aren't you aware that because of the ACC snatching them away from the Big East kicking, screaming, scratching and fighting that they no longer play West Virginia and Penn State? Then the ACC bullied Notre Dame into not playing them every year. It's unfair I tell ya. Unfair. The mean, nasty ACC just bullied Pitt and forced them to unwillingly join the conference.
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
(08-18-2014 09:10 PM)Chris02M Wrote:  my personal 3 game permanent rival solution which I think are fair.

FLORIDA STATE- Miami, Georgia Tech, Clemson

This give FSU what it wants - It's three closest southern teams and not Duke, Wake, BC, and Syracuse.

CLEMSON- Georgia Tech, NC State, Florida State

Clemson keeps what it has regarding access to NC, Florida, and Georgia and their three closest public schools. Saves Textile Bowl, although some don't care about it.

LOUISVILLE- Syracuse, Pittsburgh, Virginia

Louisville is low man on totem pole, but the 5/5 makes it okay.

SYRACUSE- Louisville, Boston College, Miami

Gives Syracuse the game in Miami they want and keeps BC.

BOSTON COLLEGE- Pittsburgh, Syracuse, Wake Forest

Gives them their two closest and closest school in size.

NC STATE- Wake Forest, Clemson, North Carolina

State has to have Clemson and UNC, and Wake has to have NC State.

WAKE FOREST- NC State, Duke, Boston College

Two of WF's must haves, except UNC, but BC is comparable in size.

MIAMI- Florida State, Virginia Tech, Syracuse

Keeps FSU must have, makes Syracuse happy and creates a good mid-conference rivalry with VT.

VIRGINIA TECH- Virginia, Miami, Pittsburgh

Not possible without the 5/5 that will out VT in NC every year

VIRGINIA- Virginia Tech, North Carolina, Louisville

Gives UVA it's two must haves.

GEORGIA TECH- Clemson, Florida State, Duke

Gives GT it's two must haves and keeps Duke instead of UNC - fair trade.

PITTSBURGH- Boston College, Louisville, Virginia Tech

Low on totem pole, but get VT.

NORTH CAROLINA- Duke, Virginia, NC State

Gives UNC the three games they must have.

DUKE- North Carolina, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech

Gives Duke it's must have, and keeps GT and WF rivalry.

The big winners - those getting the three games they want:

FSU, UNC, Duke, GT

The winners - those getting at least two games they want:

Clemson, NC State, WF, UVa, VT

The breakevens - those getting one game they want, and can live with one of the other two:

Syracuse, Miami, BC, Pitt

Odd man out:

Louisville - I would think Louisville would want Miami every year and perhaps VT instead of UVa.

But hey, I could be all wrong.

Regarding Pitt, as of right now, the ACC owes Pitt and VT a favor for trading out regarding Notre Dame and Purdue games. They will be compensated somehow. The ACC owed NC State regarding an old series with ND that the league office did not complete about a decade ago, and that has been called in.

The above 3-5/5 can work but for it to happen a Coastal team has to agree to it. Miami and GT already have to play FSU each year - so those are the votes to look at in my opinion. The wildcard is Notre Dame. I think they have a vote although there is no past protocol regarding voting on an issue where you don't have a team as far as I know.

Does FSU vote on Men's Soccer? Does NC State vote on Lacrosse matters? Who knows?
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Re: Yet another north-south division idea
Yes we would prefer to have Miami every year but we would be content with Pitt, Syracuse & Virg. We would still have Miami & FSU every other year.

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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
While the 3-5-5 model works great in my opinion, it if it is decided that divisions are a must then I think the following 3 Pods format can work (keeping with North-South geographical theme of this thread)

1)North (4 teams): BC, Syracuse, Pitt, Louisville
2)Coastal?/3)Atlantic? (aligned with crossover)
UNC/NCST
Duke/Wake
UVA/Clemson
VTech/GT
Miami/FSU

North 4 - 2 compete in Coastal & 2 compete in Atlantic division on rotating basis (play in each 2 of 4 years.) Also, play every other North team each year = 8 conference games. Play North teams every year/ every other team 2 of 4 years.

Coastal/Atlantic teams - play division teams plus crossover rival yearly. Play each North team 2 of 4 years. Play remaining 3 teams in the opposite division every third year.

As a result, there are still divisions and every team plays each other at least every third year.
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RE: Yet another north-south division idea
Under this scheme, Pitt will get Syracuse and Miami. I don't care but the ACC sees value in one of the few old northeastern traditional games left, that being the Pitt Syracuse game. There's value there if both teams can get good at the same time and competing in the region against the other regional B1G teams. Not something to overlook.

The Miami game will remain as both teams are designated year end rivals. Plus, only Florida and FSU have played the canes more. What's Pitt and Miami going to do? Play a non conference game Thanksgiving weekend. It ain't happening. Everyone else is booked including Syracuse and BC.

The third rival wouldn't be a rival but rather an assignment from the league. Don't care.
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