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ranking conferences bye revenue.
I know the news is all about the P5 let's group them as one.
Otherwise this thread goes sideways with tier three conversation.

The Big East would be sixth.
My guess is AAC and MWC are close at 7 and 8.
Does the Atlantic 10 come in next?
The Big Sky commissioner has claimed higher conference revenue than a FBS conference.
Would that be true of the MVC or possibly the CAA.
I have read on here U MASS would lose money joining the MAC.
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RE: ranking conferences bye revenue.
(08-10-2014 10:29 AM)MJG Wrote:  I know the news is all about the P5 let's group them as one.
Otherwise this thread goes sideways with tier three conversation.

The Big East would be sixth.
My guess is AAC and MWC are close at 7 and 8.
Does the Atlantic 10 come in next?
The Big Sky commissioner has claimed higher conference revenue than a FBS conference.
Would that be true of the MVC or possibly the CAA.
I have read on here U MASS would lose money joining the MAC.

There are two separate questions-"Conference" revenue and revenue of Schools in conferences. For example among the P5, the conferences' revenues are relatively close, but among the schools, the average of the ACC and Pac 12 schools is well behind the other 3.
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Better to ask this in about 2 years....honestly does it matter much once you get past the AAC/MWC? Kinda a tallest midget comparison.
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(08-10-2014 10:34 AM)bullet Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 10:29 AM)MJG Wrote:  I know the news is all about the P5 let's group them as one.
Otherwise this thread goes sideways with tier three conversation.

The Big East would be sixth.
My guess is AAC and MWC are close at 7 and 8.
Does the Atlantic 10 come in next?
The Big Sky commissioner has claimed higher conference revenue than a FBS conference.
Would that be true of the MVC or possibly the CAA.
I have read on here U MASS would lose money joining the MAC.

There are two separate questions-"Conference" revenue and revenue of Schools in conferences. For example among the P5, the conferences' revenues are relatively close, but among the schools, the average of the ACC and Pac 12 schools is well behind the other 3.

Yes, e.g., Indiana got more "conference" revenue last year than did Alabama, because the B1G distributed about $26 million to its members whereas the SEC distributed around $22 million to its members.

But Alabama's overall athletic revenues were about $145 million while Indiana's was about $76 million, so overall Alabama had much greater athletic revenue because their non-conference sources of money were far greater.
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(08-10-2014 10:59 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Better to ask this in about 2 years....honestly does it matter much once you get past the AAC/MWC? Kinda a tallest midget comparison.

Yeah....at the P5 level it is the "Smallest Giant"...the B1G/SEC Might be 6-8 275 Pounds with 5% Body Fat...the ACC is 6-5 265 Pounds with 7% Body Fat...all 5 are both huge and ripped...07-coffee3
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(08-10-2014 11:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 10:59 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Better to ask this in about 2 years....honestly does it matter much once you get past the AAC/MWC? Kinda a tallest midget comparison.

Yeah....at the P5 level it is the "Smallest Giant"...the B1G/SEC Might be 6-8 275 Pounds with 5% Body Fat...the ACC is 6-5 265 Pounds with 7% Body Fat...all 5 are both huge and ripped...07-coffee3

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And the lower half of the G5 sez gimme a few years
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(08-10-2014 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 10:59 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Better to ask this in about 2 years....honestly does it matter much once you get past the AAC/MWC? Kinda a tallest midget comparison.

Yeah....at the P5 level it is the "Smallest Giant"...the B1G/SEC Might be 6-8 275 Pounds with 5% Body Fat...the ACC is 6-5 265 Pounds with 7% Body Fat...all 5 are both huge and ripped...07-coffee3

"Smallest Giant" ... I like that. 04-cheers

Thanks...even if the ACC has the "Smallest Revenue Stream" it is still more than enough to compete and make their budgets in the upcoming era. Now going forward I would like to see the ACC take advantage of what they have which is IMO they are not doing right now...the ACC Network would go a long way in keeping up if they get that off the ground....what the SEC did in regards to their network is remarkable....04-cheers
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RE: ranking conferences bye revenue.
So does U MASS for example make more staying in the A10.
Compared to joining the MAC for all sports.

Missouri St collect equal or greater conference revenue staying MVC. That is compared to joining the Sun Belt.
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These conferences ability to keep up or offer some of the new P5 initiatives.
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(08-10-2014 11:35 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 10:59 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Better to ask this in about 2 years....honestly does it matter much once you get past the AAC/MWC? Kinda a tallest midget comparison.

Yeah....at the P5 level it is the "Smallest Giant"...the B1G/SEC Might be 6-8 275 Pounds with 5% Body Fat...the ACC is 6-5 265 Pounds with 7% Body Fat...all 5 are both huge and ripped...07-coffee3

"Smallest Giant" ... I like that. 04-cheers

Thanks...even if the ACC has the "Smallest Revenue Stream" it is still more than enough to compete and make their budgets in the upcoming era. Now going forward I would like to see the ACC take advantage of what they have which is IMO they are not doing right now...the ACC Network would go a long way in keeping up if they get that off the ground....what the SEC did in regards to their network is remarkable....04-cheers

I have been wondering, sometimes out loud, if all the P5 conference schools haven't reached the point where their revenues are "enough" to sustain competitiveness. Is there not ever a point where, even if you got more, you could not (legally) use it to gain advantage? What does it matter to a recruit if you have 40 paid employees in your sports information department instead of only 20? Or if you have 30 leather reclining chairs in an athletes' lounge if you never need more that 20 at a time?

When you look at what everybody has today compared with what they had just ten years ago, you'd have to conclude there aren't many true needs still unmet.
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(08-10-2014 12:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:35 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 10:59 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Better to ask this in about 2 years....honestly does it matter much once you get past the AAC/MWC? Kinda a tallest midget comparison.

Yeah....at the P5 level it is the "Smallest Giant"...the B1G/SEC Might be 6-8 275 Pounds with 5% Body Fat...the ACC is 6-5 265 Pounds with 7% Body Fat...all 5 are both huge and ripped...07-coffee3

"Smallest Giant" ... I like that. 04-cheers

Thanks...even if the ACC has the "Smallest Revenue Stream" it is still more than enough to compete and make their budgets in the upcoming era. Now going forward I would like to see the ACC take advantage of what they have which is IMO they are not doing right now...the ACC Network would go a long way in keeping up if they get that off the ground....what the SEC did in regards to their network is remarkable....04-cheers

I have been wondering, sometimes out loud, if all the P5 conference schools haven't reached the point where their revenues are "enough" to sustain competitiveness. Is there not ever a point where, even if you got more, you could not (legally) use it to gain advantage? What does it matter to a recruit if you have 40 paid employees in your sports information department instead of only 20? Or if you have 30 leather reclining chairs in an athletes' lounge if you never need more that 20 at a time?

When you look at what everybody has today compared with what they had just ten years ago, you'd have to conclude there aren't many true needs still unmet.

Exactly that is why I tried to steer clear of the P5 in the conversation. Twenty one million or twenty six million who cares.
The rankings including non football conference's , FCS and G5.
The A10 probably has pretty good revenue considering the NCAA money. I am sure they have some kind of media deal.
Offering stipends may actually be easier for them.
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(08-10-2014 12:36 PM)ken d Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:35 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:31 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 11:30 AM)Maize Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 10:59 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  Better to ask this in about 2 years....honestly does it matter much once you get past the AAC/MWC? Kinda a tallest midget comparison.

Yeah....at the P5 level it is the "Smallest Giant"...the B1G/SEC Might be 6-8 275 Pounds with 5% Body Fat...the ACC is 6-5 265 Pounds with 7% Body Fat...all 5 are both huge and ripped...07-coffee3

"Smallest Giant" ... I like that. 04-cheers

Thanks...even if the ACC has the "Smallest Revenue Stream" it is still more than enough to compete and make their budgets in the upcoming era. Now going forward I would like to see the ACC take advantage of what they have which is IMO they are not doing right now...the ACC Network would go a long way in keeping up if they get that off the ground....what the SEC did in regards to their network is remarkable....04-cheers

I have been wondering, sometimes out loud, if all the P5 conference schools haven't reached the point where their revenues are "enough" to sustain competitiveness. Is there not ever a point where, even if you got more, you could not (legally) use it to gain advantage? What does it matter to a recruit if you have 40 paid employees in your sports information department instead of only 20? Or if you have 30 leather reclining chairs in an athletes' lounge if you never need more that 20 at a time?

When you look at what everybody has today compared with what they had just ten years ago, you'd have to conclude there aren't many true needs still unmet.

Everybody in the P5 is fine for the next few years as they will all have $15-$30 million more than they had just 5 years ago.

But then 10 years ago they weren't competing with the NFL for coaches. As they have had more money, they have spent it.
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Ranking the conferences "bye" revenue-

1. AAC
1. ACC
1. Big 10
1. Big 12
1. CUSA
1. MAC
1. MWC
1. PAC12
1. Sunbelt
1. SEC
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(08-10-2014 10:29 AM)MJG Wrote:  I know the news is all about the P5 let's group them as one.
Otherwise this thread goes sideways with tier three conversation.

The Big East would be sixth.
My guess is AAC and MWC are close at 7 and 8.
Does the Atlantic 10 come in next?
The Big Sky commissioner has claimed higher conference revenue than a FBS conference.
Would that be true of the MVC or possibly the CAA.
I have read on here U MASS would lose money joining the MAC.

I Didn't Know We Got Any Revenue from a "BYE".
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(08-10-2014 11:34 AM)TexanMark Wrote:  And the lower half of the G5 sez gimme a few years
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(08-10-2014 10:39 PM)Frog in the Kitchen Sink Wrote:  Ranking the conferences "bye" revenue-

1. AAC
1. ACC
1. Big 10
1. Big 12
1. CUSA
1. MAC
1. MWC
1. PAC12
1. Sunbelt
1. SEC

Depends on total exit fees collected. AAC and Big12 were probably biggest winners. lol!
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(08-10-2014 10:29 AM)MJG Wrote:  I know the news is all about the P5 let's group them as one.
Otherwise this thread goes sideways with tier three conversation.

The Big East would be sixth.
My guess is AAC and MWC are close at 7 and 8.
Does the Atlantic 10 come in next?
The Big Sky commissioner has claimed higher conference revenue than a FBS conference.
Would that be true of the MVC or possibly the CAA.
I have read on here U MASS would lose money joining the MAC.

Actually you are wrong.

The AAC is solidly 6th in total revenue. The Big East is 7th, and the MWC is 8th.

Here are the total revenues per conf.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/j...d059c.html

In 2014, the SEC, the Big Ten, the Pac-12, the Atlantic Coast Conference and the Big 12 Conference will average $291 million in revenue from television contracts, bowl games and NCAA Tournament units, according to Forbes Magazine.
Meanwhile, at $72.3 million in revenue this year, the American Athletic Conference — home of the University of Tulsa — is well ahead of leagues like the Big East ($50.2 million with no football), the Mountain West ($31.5 million), Conference USA ($24.5 million) and Atlantic 10 ($16.5 million with no football), but still way, way behind the elite money makers.
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(08-11-2014 09:31 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  
(08-10-2014 10:29 AM)MJG Wrote:  I know the news is all about the P5 let's group them as one.
Otherwise this thread goes sideways with tier three conversation.

The Big East would be sixth.
My guess is AAC and MWC are close at 7 and 8.
Does the Atlantic 10 come in next?
The Big Sky commissioner has claimed higher conference revenue than a FBS conference.
Would that be true of the MVC or possibly the CAA.
I have read on here U MASS would lose money joining the MAC.

Actually you are wrong.

The AAC is solidly 6th in total revenue. The Big East is 7th, and the MWC is 8th.

Here are the total revenues per conf.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/blogs/sports/j...d059c.html

In 2014, the SEC, the Big Ten, the Pac-12, the Atlantic Coast Conference and the Big 12 Conference will average $291 million in revenue from television contracts, bowl games and NCAA Tournament units, according to Forbes Magazine.
Meanwhile, at $72.3 million in revenue this year, the American Athletic Conference — home of the University of Tulsa — is well ahead of leagues like the Big East ($50.2 million with no football), the Mountain West ($31.5 million), Conference USA ($24.5 million) and Atlantic 10 ($16.5 million with no football), but still way, way behind the elite money makers.

Thanks even if I was wrong .
I was curious if the lower G5 conferences were higher than the good basketball conferences.
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RE: ranking conferences bye revenue.
Still need the MAC , SBC, MVC and Big Sky numbers.
May show why Missouri State or U MASS made their decisions.

Also BSC commissioner claims higher revenue than at least one FBS conference.
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