(08-10-2014 04:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  NC State would be a Rutgers type play for the SEC. They have an SEC type culture and their basketball is still a lot better than most of us (yeah, yeah...supposedly we're working on it)

But more importantly, reside in a Top 10 population state with 10 million residents. With State as the SEC team of NC, interest in the Pack will only grow.

The SEC has been very consistent: They want state flagships (UNC, UVA) and thus would likely be uninterested in VT or NC State.

Virginia Tech is effectively the state flagship for Virginia. UVa, while more academically prominent, is a niche school with far fewer students. And I would imagine that if you looked at the student enrollment from the state of Virginia, that VT would have 3 times the students that UVa has.

The SEC just took the 'land grant' school from Texas, (A&M).

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I would be very surprised if the SEC took WVU over NCSU. Even though NCSU has some serious problems in the Athletic Department (why they haven't cleaned house is beyond me).

(08-10-2014 03:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  NC State would be a Rutgers type play for the SEC. They have an SEC type culture and their basketball is still a lot better than most of us (yeah, yeah...supposedly we're working on it)

But more importantly, reside in a Top 10 population state with 10 million residents. With State as the SEC team of NC, interest in the Pack will only grow.

Combine them w/ VT (my personal preference) for another 8 million population and BAM, you just added a second Florida to the SEC footprint. No other expansion possibility adds that much me money to the bottom line. NOBODY.

Thats why the SEC is willing to be patient, let the B1G make their moves and wait for the right moment to complete our footprint.

...and yes ECU fans, you don't want to hear any of this but its true and we're not taking you.

NC State, unlike TAMU or Auburn, does not have its own independent board of governors. NC State, for all practical intents and purposes, may as well be UNC-Raleigh, because that's really who they are. If the SEC really wants to get into NC, it's going to have to get UNC because truthfully, there aren't any other options. (UNC would block ECU to the SEC as well, IMO). NC State isn't in the same class as UAB or Arkansas-Pine Bluff, but they aren't there with Texas A&M, Auburn, and Florida either. The schools that really have the most in common with NC State are UCLA and UNLV, believe it or not. So basically, NC State is to UNC what UCLA is to Cal-Berkeley.

(08-10-2014 09:26 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  NC State would be a Rutgers type play for the SEC. They have an SEC type culture and their basketball is still a lot better than most of us (yeah, yeah...supposedly we're working on it)

But more importantly, reside in a Top 10 population state with 10 million residents. With State as the SEC team of NC, interest in the Pack will only grow.

Combine them w/ VT (my personal preference) for another 8 million population and BAM, you just added a second Florida to the SEC footprint. No other expansion possibility adds that much me money to the bottom line. NOBODY.

Thats why the SEC is willing to be patient, let the B1G make their moves and wait for the right moment to complete our footprint.

...and yes ECU fans, you don't want to hear any of this but its true and we're not taking you.

NC State, unlike TAMU or Auburn, does not have its own independent board of governors. NC State, for all practical intents and purposes, may as well be UNC-Raleigh, because that's really who they are. If the SEC really wants to get into NC, it's going to have to get UNC because truthfully, there aren't any other options. (UNC would block ECU to the SEC as well, IMO). NC State isn't in the same class as UAB or Arkansas-Pine Bluff, but they aren't there with Texas A&M, Auburn, and Florida either. The schools that really have the most in common with NC State are UCLA and UNLV, believe it or not. So basically, NC State is to UNC what UCLA is to Cal-Berkeley.

If the SEC wanted the states of NC and VA they could get them; they would just need to invite UNC, NCS, VT and UVA. Bring in FSU and Clemson with them and you are at 20. If UVA says no, which is unlikely imo, give #20 to GT.

I seriously doubt that the UNC board of governors would block any move to the sec for ecu. It is HIGHLY unlikely we'd ever get an invite (in order of 1:1000000) but we aren't in the account so there is no tobacco rd. To break up for us. That said I doubt they'd block ncsu either.

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(08-10-2014 09:18 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 04:33 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  NC State would be a Rutgers type play for the SEC. They have an SEC type culture and their basketball is still a lot better than most of us (yeah, yeah...supposedly we're working on it)

But more importantly, reside in a Top 10 population state with 10 million residents. With State as the SEC team of NC, interest in the Pack will only grow.

The SEC has been very consistent: They want state flagships (UNC, UVA) and thus would likely be uninterested in VT or NC State.

Virginia Tech is effectively the state flagship for Virginia. UVa, while more academically prominent, is a niche school with far fewer students. And I would imagine that if you looked at the student enrollment from the state of Virginia, that VT would have 3 times the students that UVa has.

The SEC just took the 'land grant' school from Texas, (A&M).

UVA is the state flagship, no getting around that.

TAMU is not the flagship but Texas is so large that it comes close enough. It is a far, far bigger institution than VT.

I can't see anything that VT brings to the SEC table whatsoever.

I know it probably wouldn't happen because of other factors but if the SEC is raiding the ACC, then try for Florida State. I know for cable reasons it doesn't make sense but as a casual fan I would like to see it.

(08-10-2014 10:32 PM)MissouriStateBears Wrote:  I know it probably wouldn't happen because of other factors but if the SEC is raiding the ACC, then try for Florida State. I know for cable reasons it doesn't make sense but as a casual fan I would like to see it.

Yep. If realignment were only about fit?

I would prefer SMU over any program from the ACC.

(08-10-2014 09:26 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  NC State would be a Rutgers type play for the SEC. They have an SEC type culture and their basketball is still a lot better than most of us (yeah, yeah...supposedly we're working on it)

But more importantly, reside in a Top 10 population state with 10 million residents. With State as the SEC team of NC, interest in the Pack will only grow.

Combine them w/ VT (my personal preference) for another 8 million population and BAM, you just added a second Florida to the SEC footprint. No other expansion possibility adds that much me money to the bottom line. NOBODY.

Thats why the SEC is willing to be patient, let the B1G make their moves and wait for the right moment to complete our footprint.

...and yes ECU fans, you don't want to hear any of this but its true and we're not taking you.

NC State, unlike TAMU or Auburn, does not have its own independent board of governors. NC State, for all practical intents and purposes, may as well be UNC-Raleigh, because that's really who they are. If the SEC really wants to get into NC, it's going to have to get UNC because truthfully, there aren't any other options. (UNC would block ECU to the SEC as well, IMO). NC State isn't in the same class as UAB or Arkansas-Pine Bluff, but they aren't there with Texas A&M, Auburn, and Florida either. The schools that really have the most in common with NC State are UCLA and UNLV, believe it or not. So basically, NC State is to UNC what UCLA is to Cal-Berkeley.

That's not accurate.

NC State is a land grant and as such has all the statewide Extension services. UNC-Ch is not a land grant as is Florida, or MD.

Actually NC State is to UNC the same thing that VT is to UVa, and the same thing Clemson is to South Carolina or Auburn to Alabama.

What's most unusual about NC State though is that it's almost totally STEM oriented - no med school, no law school, no dental school, etc. All that is at UNC. However UNC has no Engineering School, Architecture, and a number of other programs. An effort to keep offerings split between the two was instituted. in 1931 when UNC, NC A&M (Now NC State) and Women's College (Now UNC-G) were merged under the Consolidated University System. ECU joined in the early 1960's.

The UNC BOG is comprised of 32 members, 20 or more of which are UNC-Ch alumni.

(08-10-2014 10:52 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  I would prefer SMU over any program from the ACC.

I think you may be alone on that.

(08-10-2014 11:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 09:26 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  NC State would be a Rutgers type play for the SEC. They have an SEC type culture and their basketball is still a lot better than most of us (yeah, yeah...supposedly we're working on it)

But more importantly, reside in a Top 10 population state with 10 million residents. With State as the SEC team of NC, interest in the Pack will only grow.

Combine them w/ VT (my personal preference) for another 8 million population and BAM, you just added a second Florida to the SEC footprint. No other expansion possibility adds that much me money to the bottom line. NOBODY.

Thats why the SEC is willing to be patient, let the B1G make their moves and wait for the right moment to complete our footprint.

...and yes ECU fans, you don't want to hear any of this but its true and we're not taking you.

NC State, unlike TAMU or Auburn, does not have its own independent board of governors. NC State, for all practical intents and purposes, may as well be UNC-Raleigh, because that's really who they are. If the SEC really wants to get into NC, it's going to have to get UNC because truthfully, there aren't any other options. (UNC would block ECU to the SEC as well, IMO). NC State isn't in the same class as UAB or Arkansas-Pine Bluff, but they aren't there with Texas A&M, Auburn, and Florida either. The schools that really have the most in common with NC State are UCLA and UNLV, believe it or not. So basically, NC State is to UNC what UCLA is to Cal-Berkeley.

That's not accurate.

NC State is a land grant and as such has all the statewide Extension services. UNC-Ch is not a land grant as is Florida, or MD.

Actually NC State is to UNC the same thing that VT is to UVa, and the same thing Clemson is to South Carolina or Auburn to Alabama.

What's most unusual about NC State though is that it's almost totally STEM oriented - no med school, no law school, no dental school, etc. All that is at UNC. However UNC has no Engineering School, Architecture, and a number of other programs. An effort to keep offerings split between the two was instituted. in 1931 when UNC, NC A&M (Now NC State) and Women's College (Now UNC-G) were merged under the Consolidated University System. ECU joined in the early 1960's.

The UNC BOG is comprised of 32 members, 20 or more of which are UNC-Ch alumni.

But I thought that NCSU was a part of the UNC system.

(08-10-2014 11:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 09:26 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  NC State would be a Rutgers type play for the SEC. They have an SEC type culture and their basketball is still a lot better than most of us (yeah, yeah...supposedly we're working on it)

But more importantly, reside in a Top 10 population state with 10 million residents. With State as the SEC team of NC, interest in the Pack will only grow.

Combine them w/ VT (my personal preference) for another 8 million population and BAM, you just added a second Florida to the SEC footprint. No other expansion possibility adds that much me money to the bottom line. NOBODY.

Thats why the SEC is willing to be patient, let the B1G make their moves and wait for the right moment to complete our footprint.

...and yes ECU fans, you don't want to hear any of this but its true and we're not taking you.

NC State, unlike TAMU or Auburn, does not have its own independent board of governors. NC State, for all practical intents and purposes, may as well be UNC-Raleigh, because that's really who they are. If the SEC really wants to get into NC, it's going to have to get UNC because truthfully, there aren't any other options. (UNC would block ECU to the SEC as well, IMO). NC State isn't in the same class as UAB or Arkansas-Pine Bluff, but they aren't there with Texas A&M, Auburn, and Florida either. The schools that really have the most in common with NC State are UCLA and UNLV, believe it or not. So basically, NC State is to UNC what UCLA is to Cal-Berkeley.

That's not accurate.

NC State is a land grant and as such has all the statewide Extension services. UNC-Ch is not a land grant as is Florida, or MD.

Actually NC State is to UNC the same thing that VT is to UVa, and the same thing Clemson is to South Carolina or Auburn to Alabama.

What's most unusual about NC State though is that it's almost totally STEM oriented - no med school, no law school, no dental school, etc. All that is at UNC. However UNC has no Engineering School, Architecture, and a number of other programs. An effort to keep offerings split between the two was instituted. in 1931 when UNC, NC A&M (Now NC State) and Women's College (Now UNC-G) were merged under the Consolidated University System. ECU joined in the early 1960's.

The UNC BOG is comprised of 32 members, 20 or more of which are UNC-Ch alumni.

Not a totally valid comparison, as Clemson has it's own separate BOT and always will while NC State does not.

(08-10-2014 11:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 09:26 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  NC State would be a Rutgers type play for the SEC. They have an SEC type culture and their basketball is still a lot better than most of us (yeah, yeah...supposedly we're working on it)

But more importantly, reside in a Top 10 population state with 10 million residents. With State as the SEC team of NC, interest in the Pack will only grow.

Combine them w/ VT (my personal preference) for another 8 million population and BAM, you just added a second Florida to the SEC footprint. No other expansion possibility adds that much me money to the bottom line. NOBODY.

Thats why the SEC is willing to be patient, let the B1G make their moves and wait for the right moment to complete our footprint.

...and yes ECU fans, you don't want to hear any of this but its true and we're not taking you.

NC State, unlike TAMU or Auburn, does not have its own independent board of governors. NC State, for all practical intents and purposes, may as well be UNC-Raleigh, because that's really who they are. If the SEC really wants to get into NC, it's going to have to get UNC because truthfully, there aren't any other options. (UNC would block ECU to the SEC as well, IMO). NC State isn't in the same class as UAB or Arkansas-Pine Bluff, but they aren't there with Texas A&M, Auburn, and Florida either. The schools that really have the most in common with NC State are UCLA and UNLV, believe it or not. So basically, NC State is to UNC what UCLA is to Cal-Berkeley.

That's not accurate.

NC State is a land grant and as such has all the statewide Extension services. UNC-Ch is not a land grant as is Florida, or MD.

Actually NC State is to UNC the same thing that VT is to UVa, and the same thing Clemson is to South Carolina or Auburn to Alabama.

What's most unusual about NC State though is that it's almost totally STEM oriented - no med school, no law school, no dental school, etc. All that is at UNC. However UNC has no Engineering School, Architecture, and a number of other programs. An effort to keep offerings split between the two was instituted. in 1931 when UNC, NC A&M (Now NC State) and Women's College (Now UNC-G) were merged under the Consolidated University System. ECU joined in the early 1960's.

The UNC BOG is comprised of 32 members, 20 or more of which are UNC-Ch alumni.

UGA and GT were also similarly separated until 2012 when UGA opening a College of Engineering.

(08-11-2014 10:37 AM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 11:05 PM)lumberpack4 Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 09:26 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  

(08-10-2014 03:12 PM)10thMountain Wrote:  NC State would be a Rutgers type play for the SEC. They have an SEC type culture and their basketball is still a lot better than most of us (yeah, yeah...supposedly we're working on it)

But more importantly, reside in a Top 10 population state with 10 million residents. With State as the SEC team of NC, interest in the Pack will only grow.

Combine them w/ VT (my personal preference) for another 8 million population and BAM, you just added a second Florida to the SEC footprint. No other expansion possibility adds that much me money to the bottom line. NOBODY.

Thats why the SEC is willing to be patient, let the B1G make their moves and wait for the right moment to complete our footprint.

...and yes ECU fans, you don't want to hear any of this but its true and we're not taking you.

NC State, unlike TAMU or Auburn, does not have its own independent board of governors. NC State, for all practical intents and purposes, may as well be UNC-Raleigh, because that's really who they are. If the SEC really wants to get into NC, it's going to have to get UNC because truthfully, there aren't any other options. (UNC would block ECU to the SEC as well, IMO). NC State isn't in the same class as UAB or Arkansas-Pine Bluff, but they aren't there with Texas A&M, Auburn, and Florida either. The schools that really have the most in common with NC State are UCLA and UNLV, believe it or not. So basically, NC State is to UNC what UCLA is to Cal-Berkeley.

That's not accurate.

NC State is a land grant and as such has all the statewide Extension services. UNC-Ch is not a land grant as is Florida, or MD.

Actually NC State is to UNC the same thing that VT is to UVa, and the same thing Clemson is to South Carolina or Auburn to Alabama.

What's most unusual about NC State though is that it's almost totally STEM oriented - no med school, no law school, no dental school, etc. All that is at UNC. However UNC has no Engineering School, Architecture, and a number of other programs. An effort to keep offerings split between the two was instituted. in 1931 when UNC, NC A&M (Now NC State) and Women's College (Now UNC-G) were merged under the Consolidated University System. ECU joined in the early 1960's.

The UNC BOG is comprised of 32 members, 20 or more of which are UNC-Ch alumni.

But I thought that NCSU was a part of the UNC system.

The UNC system is like the Florida system of which FSU, Florida, USF, and UCF are a part. There is a Board of Governors and a President or Chancellor at the top. Then each institution has it's on Board of Trustees or Board of Visitors, whatever they are called.

UNC-Chapel Hill, NC State, ECU, all have their own Board of Trustees. The University of MD at College Park is governed the same way.

In many states, the Statewide Board, is not that visible until there is a controversy at a particular university between a President/Chancellor and that schools BOT/BOV.