(08-08-2014 11:17 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This new autonomy won't last, and I don't think the P5 expect it to. There will be law suits. There will be increases in athletic spending at universities that want to remain relevant at the FBS level. There will be new rules, and standards created by the P5s, and G5s that will try to keep up,... and then more law suits,... and government interventions,... and more increases in spending. It's going to be an ugly cycle.

A decade from now, some of these suits will run out of appeals, and we will start to know how many of these changes are legal. But, by then, a sizable portion of the G5 will have have been priced out of the FBS and relocated to the FCS. By then, new tougher standards for playing against the P5s will have been created to keep financial pressure on G5 programs and keep FCS programs from moving up. When the government and courts are finished the P5 and G5 labels will go away, and the FBS will have between 85 and 95 programs in it. Personally, I think the whole thing was created to reduce the number of FBS programs, and keep FCS programs from moving up. And I think autonomy will succeed in that goal. I guess we will see which G5s are still standing when the dust settles.

The Level Playing Field of amature college athletics is now tilted "On ITS' EAR!" The P-5 consortium has replaced it with ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE!
On an optimistic note I think everybody in CUSA has the capacity to HANG ON. But 85 to 95 is certainly a realistic number in another 5 to 10 years

(08-08-2014 12:07 PM)Ragu Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 11:17 AM)Side Show Joe Wrote:  This new autonomy won't last, and I don't think the P5 expect it to. There will be law suits. There will be increases in athletic spending at universities that want to remain relevant at the FBS level. There will be new rules, and standards created by the P5s, and G5s that will try to keep up,... and then more law suits,... and government interventions,... and more increases in spending. It's going to be an ugly cycle.

A decade from now, some of these suits will run out of appeals, and we will start to know how many of these changes are legal. But, by then, a sizable portion of the G5 will have have been priced out of the FBS and relocated to the FCS. By then, new tougher standards for playing against the P5s will have been created to keep financial pressure on G5 programs and keep FCS programs from moving up. When the government and courts are finished the P5 and G5 labels will go away, and the FBS will have between 85 and 95 programs in it. Personally, I think the whole thing was created to reduce the number of FBS programs, and keep FCS programs from moving up. And I think autonomy will succeed in that goal. I guess we will see which G5s are still standing when the dust settles.

The G5 can't do anything about it. If lawsuits and such come flying in, the P5 will just separate from the NCAA completely and then the G5 will essentially be back in FCS.

The P5 has the power here. Let's get real. And the should have more power because they are the better programs and have earned that right.

I don't think the P5s would actually try and separate. They need the G5. As much as Sabin and others at top programs argue for only playing each other, many current P5 programs would lose out under that policy. I've said it before, P5 conferences would go from fielding 8 and 9 bowl teams a season, to watching over half of their conference stay home for the bowl season. Those 6-6 P5s records would drop to 4-8. They need the G5. They just don't need all of us.

I think we have a decade to jockey for position. Some conferences might survive intact. Others might lose members and add others from conferences where a majority of programs can't afford to keep up. I do think the end result will be an FBS division with the 5 major conferences and the surviving g5s. I think there will end up being between 85 and 95 total teams in the FBS, and almost impossible requirements for moving up into the division.

(08-08-2014 12:46 PM)ESE84 Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 12:38 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  If P-5 gets scholies up to 125 and are able to "recruit" G-5 players, without a transfer year.............. Toast

I am not sure I agree. Only a few NCAA players will play on Sunday. If you are a player on the bubble, would you rather transfer into Alabama and spend time riding the bench, or play every possible minute at Rice or Houston and build fancy stats?

g5 = juco

g5 freshman and sophomore studs are going to be plucked at will by the p5.....this is going to happen

the amount that stay will most assuredly be smaller than those that go for the dream.....

the nfl is licking their chops right now....it's going to make scouting for the draft much easier....

(08-08-2014 12:38 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  If P-5 gets scholies up to 125 and are able to "recruit" G-5 players, without a transfer year.............. Toast

Areas that will NOT fall under the autonomy umbrella include: Postseason tournaments, transfer policies, scholarship limits, signing day and rules governing on-field play.

(08-09-2014 03:50 PM)BigSkyGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 12:38 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  If P-5 gets scholies up to 125 and are able to "recruit" G-5 players, without a transfer year.............. Toast

Areas that will NOT fall under the autonomy umbrella include: Postseason tournaments, transfer policies, scholarship limits, signing day and rules governing on-field play.

as of today....let's see how long that lasts

(08-09-2014 04:37 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(08-09-2014 03:50 PM)BigSkyGuy Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 12:38 PM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  If P-5 gets scholies up to 125 and are able to "recruit" G-5 players, without a transfer year.............. Toast

Areas that will NOT fall under the autonomy umbrella include: Postseason tournaments, transfer policies, scholarship limits, signing day and rules governing on-field play.

as of today....let's see how long that lasts

Exactly.

And how much will a linebacker get at Texas or UT-obKNOXiousville for "ulimited meals and snacks" ?

Wasn't Boise State, or similar, implicated by the NCAA for putting cream cheese on a player's bagel not long ago ?

college football died that day.

(08-08-2014 12:28 PM)Saint3333 Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 10:13 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(08-08-2014 08:28 AM)Saint3333 Wrote:  The AAC will end up costing themselves and the remaining G5 conferences A LOT over the next few years. It is the goodwill hunting lesson, rather than everyone chasing the best looking girl we can all get attractive ladies and be better off. Everyone knows the best looking one is a b!tch anyway.

It's either go broke trying to keep up or go broke giving up. I'd rather ECU go out swinging than give up and go broke due to me and the rest of ECU fans going away.

You aren't going to like how this ends. I know all non-P5 schools will fight this individually, this is a "me" world. Only a half dozen will benefit from the battle, the rest (and the rest will include ECU) will be further behind.

I may not, but I will continue to support ECU until we either aren't allowed to or can't compete at the highest level anymore, and when/if that day comes I'm out. It will hurt but that's just the reality I'll be done with all of college sports and find something else to do with my time and money.

(08-09-2014 10:44 PM)EagleX Wrote:  college football died that day.

Maybe I'm nuts but I believed we will see a rebirth of college student athlete sports.

Always follow the money, and there is a lot of it to follow here.
If we were one of the really big brutes of this current college football landscape, what would we want? More money? Of course. How would we get it?
First you would have to cut those that do not pull their weight and only survive at your level because of association with you. This would include not only the bottom of the FBS but the bottom of the P5 as well.
Form a league of about 36 teams with four divisions of 9. Use the NFL model of playoffs from there. Since the P5 would no longer exist you would be free to negotiate your on TV rights. Probably dwarf what each school in this 36 team league gets now.

Make your own rules. Forget the NCAA. RAID the lower tier schools all you want. Who's to stop you. Pay them as much as you can get away with. Try and avoid the tax implications as long as you can (the NFL does pretty well even though they are taxed).

They are just proceeding slowly right now. They don't want to go to fast. But in the end they want an NFL type league that plays on Saturday and commands the lionshare of TV money.

The rest of the FBS will get back to the fun of college sports minus the bullies. Everyone will be back to a level (at least as much as it can be) playing field.

This is what I believe will eventually happen. This is what I hope for. There is nothing like the atmosphere of true college sports.